Who do we want next as Saints manager?

[Matthew Le God]

Just now, Holmes_and_Watson said:

And RDF Tactics as one of the video scouts.

Indeed. It'll be me replacing Mark Bitcon next 😉 

[miserableoldgit]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Because previous experience of the league you are in is a good indicator of success. He doesn't have to have it but given the linked candidates it's something I'd prefer. 

How many current managers of Prem clubs had experience of the Prem before they got their jobs?

[Matthew Le God]

Just now, miserableoldgit said:

How many current managers of Prem clubs had experience of the Prem before they got their jobs?

Or Koeman or Pochettino before they were big successes with us.

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

He just beat Monaco 4-0 yesterday. That is a tougher game than anything he'll face in the Championship. 

What's that got to do with me favouring a manager with previous league experience? 

[miserableoldgit]

1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

Or Koeman or Pochettino before they were big successes with us.

Indeed....

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

How many current managers of Prem clubs had experience of the Prem before they got their jobs?

Chris wilder, Scott Parker and Daniel Farke have plenty of previous English league experience. As did Martin and McKenna. Again, I'm not saying it's a requirement, simply that it's my preference because we need to have an immediate impact next year and I think that gives us the best chance. 

[miserableoldgit]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Chris wilder, Scott Parker and Daniel Farke have plenty of previous English league experience. As did Martin and McKenna. Again, I'm not saying it's a requirement, simply that it's my preference because we need to have an immediate impact next year and I think that gives us the best chance. 

I did specifically say Prem. How many current Prem managers are in their first Prem jobs.......meaning that they had no Prem experience before getting their jobs? The point that I am making is that even in the Prem, the richest league in the World, previous experience of that league isn't the be all and end all.

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

I did specifically say Prem. How many current Prem managers are in their first Prem jobs.......meaning that they had no Prem experience before getting their jobs? The point that I am making is that even in the Prem, the richest league in the World, previous experience of that league isn't the be all and end all.

Why does it matter about the prem? We aren't in the prem and money and respurces dictates things to greater extent in the top league in my opinion. We will be expecting to compete at the very top of this league and in my opinion having previous English league experience is an advantage. 

[Roo1976]

50 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Why? 

Yes why are we pinning our hopes on Rohl,whats the fascination with him?.............is he a good man manager?,tactical one? why do we want him over say Cooper or Dyche or Lampard?.............first we need to lighten the weak minded squad and toughen the mental resolve and attitude of the whole club structure,dont take mediocrity anymore ,get some positivities back and a belief.

[Barsiem]

Club looking to appoint by the end of next week.  Whilst my preference is Still, who I've wanted for the saints job before, I'd be happy enough with Rohl or Cooper as well.

[miserableoldgit]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Why does it matter about the prem? We aren't in the prem and money and respurces dictates things to greater extent in the top league in my opinion. We will be expecting to compete at the very top of this league and in my opinion having previous English league experience is an advantage. 

I am using the Prem as an example. Loads of people are against Still because he has no experience of our leagues. I am saying that even in the richest league in the World, previous experience of that league is not essential for appointing a manager......it is about potential.

[hypochondriac]

31 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

He just beat Monaco 4-0 yesterday. That is a tougher game than anything he'll face in the Championship. 

Nathan Jones beat Manchester City. 

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

I am using the Prem as an example. Loads of people are against Still because he has no experience of our leagues. I am saying that even in the richest league in the World, previous experience of that league is not essential for appointing a manager......it is about potential.

I'm not against anyone I want the manager to do well whoever comes in but it is my opinion that previous experience of the Championship or at least lower league English football and the specific requirements for this league is an advantage given the fine margin between success and failure and our requirement to challenge near the top as a minimum. Appointing a manager with potential may pay off. Rather like signing Shea Charles, he was pretty underwhelming but may pay us back next season. I'm not sure we have the time for Still to find his feet and live up to potential in a couple of years. 

There's always the chance that someone with potential could get it together and see us shoot to the top of the league but he's going to have to be quite exceptional and it's a risk. The reputation of Spors and Sports Republic hangs on it anyway. 

[Matthew Le God]

7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Nathan Jones beat Manchester City. 

Not in a league game vs a full strength side.

Nor has Jones finished 8th in one of Europe's top 5 leagues like Will Still just has.

Edited 7 hours ago by Matthew Le God

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

Not in a league game vs a full strength side.

Nor has Jones finished 8th in one of Europe's top 5 leagues.

It's the 5th of the top five. A league where Kevin Danso looked a top player. 

[DT]

Oh great. Another experiment. All to massage Rasmus’ ego. Yay! He does PowerPoints. He will be great! Fuck experience or even being in a better league. Honestly, such muppets running our club

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

It's the 5th of the top five. A league where Kevin Danso looked a top player. 

€25m Europa League finalist Kevin Danso.

It is still a higher level than the Championship. 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, DT said:

Oh great. Another experiment. All to massage Rasmus’ ego. Yay! He does PowerPoints. He will be great! Fuck experience or even being in a better league. Honestly, such muppets running our club

I certainly wouldn't go as far as you but I do concur that it does feel quite experimental. Like with all experiments there's still a chance it could be a big success though. If it does blow up in their faces then they will look awfully foolish. 

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, DT said:

Oh great. Another experiment. All to massage Rasmus’ ego. Yay! He does PowerPoints. He will be great! Fuck experience or even being in a better league. Honestly, such muppets running our club

Why are you labeling it an experiment? He isn't a novice manager any more and has multiple years of experience. He just finished 8th in the 5th best European league.

[Fabrice29]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm not against anyone I want the manager to do well whoever comes in but it is my opinion that previous experience of the Championship or at least lower league English football and the specific requirements for this league is an advantage given the fine margin between success and failure and our requirement to challenge near the top as a minimum. Appointing a manager with potential may pay off. Rather like signing Shea Charles, he was pretty underwhelming but may pay us back next season. I'm not sure we have the time for Still to find his feet and live up to potential in a couple of years. 

There's always the chance that someone with potential could get it together and see us shoot to the top of the league but he's going to have to be quite exceptional and it's a risk. The reputation of Spors and Sports Republic hangs on it anyway. 

I've said before on here but Farke aside their isn't many recent managers who have won the Championship who had experience of it prior. There are also plenty of experienced managers who don't get promoted each year. It's not an indicator of future performance.

[Saint Matty 76]

Are people forgetting we're a Championship club?

Time to lower your expectations a little bit. Happy enough with this.

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

€25m Europa League finalist Kevin Danso.

It is still a higher level than the Championship. 

The player out on loan to the team sitting three places above us having their worst league campaign in living memory. Juric had success in a bigger league than the Championship. Didn't stop him from being an abject failure for us. Like I said, the championship and lower league English football generally has quite specific challenges and it is an advantage to have had prior experience in the league. It's not a guarantee of success or failure of course but it does improve your odds in my opinion. If Rohl doesn't fancy it, someone like Lampard or Cooper would have been my personal choice but Still will of course get my full support and I hope he's brilliant. 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I've said before on here but Farke aside their isn't many recent managers who have won the Championship who had experience of it prior. There are also plenty of experienced managers who don't get promoted each year. It's not an indicator of future performance.

I'm not sure I argued otherwise? 

[trousers]

I think all Hypo is saying is that when you go down the tick list of managerial attributes, it's not a bad thing if one of the boxes ticked is "experience in the league we're going to be playing in". I don't think he's ever said it's essential, just a 'nice to have'....?

Edited 7 hours ago by trousers

[Fabrice29]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm not sure I argued otherwise? 

 

1 minute ago, trousers said:

I think all Hypo is saying is that when you go down the tick list of managerial attributes, it's not a bad thing if one the boxes ticked is "experience in the league we're going to be playing in". I don't think he's ever said it's essential, just a 'nice to have'....?

Okay, but does "nice to have" really "improve your odds" and if so..how?

Edited 7 hours ago by Fabrice29

[Dr. Kucho]

For the people who say Still has no experience in the English leagues, 

Guardiola, Iraola, Slot, Frank, Pochettino and Koeman had no experience and did/are doing a great job.

Arteta, Emery, Howe, Nuno and Silva have experience and are also doing a good job. 

Martin, Van Nistelrooy, Loptegui, had previous experience in Premier league as a player or manager and have failed. 

Conclusion, it can work out it can go horribly wrong. It’s not just the manager, it’s the whole set up at the club that has to be good for a manager to succeed.

With the mess Sports Republic have made of the club I doubt even Klopp would have got a decent tune out of this (yes I believe we would have more then the 12 points we have now with him in charge, but still we would have been relegated).

I like Still and think he could do a good job, just hope he can attract good players who believe he can make them better and help them move up in their career.

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

The player out on loan to the team sitting three places above us having their worst league campaign in living memory. Juric had success in a bigger league than the Championship. Didn't stop him from being an abject failure for us. Like I said, the championship and lower league English football generally has quite specific challenges and it is an advantage to have had prior experience in the league. It's not a guarantee of success or failure of course but it does improve your odds in my opinion. If Rohl doesn't fancy it, someone like Lampard or Cooper would have been my personal choice but Still will of course get my full support and I hope he's brilliant. 

In what way does the league label impact the match? If for example we labelled Lens vs Monaco a Premier League game and Saints vs Derby County a Ligue 1 game. How do those league labels make a difference to what happens on the pitch?

[trousers]

3 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

 

Okay, but does "nice to have" really "improve your odds" and if so..how?

I would have thought the more 'manager attributes' boxes you can tick the better...? 

Hypothetically, if you have two managers with identical attributes except one has successfully managed in the league and the other one hasn't, which one would you go for...?

Edited 7 hours ago by trousers

[Matthew Le God]

Just now, trousers said:

I would have thought the more 'manager attributes' boxes you can tick the better...? 

Attributes are 1-20, not ticks 😉 

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, Dr. Kucho said:

For the people who say Still has no experience in the English leagues, 

Guardiola, Iraola, Slot, Frank, Pochettino and Koeman had no experience and did/are doing a great job.

Arteta, Emery, Howe, Nuno and Silva have experience and are also doing a good job. 

Martin, Van Nistelrooy, Loptegui, had previous experience in Premier league as a player or manager and have failed. 

Conclusion, it can work out it can go horribly wrong. It’s not just the manager, it’s the whole set up at the club that has to be good for a manager to succeed.

With the mess Sports Republic have made of the club I doubt even Klopp would have got a decent tune out of this (yes I believe we would have more then the 12 points we have now with him in charge, but still we would have been relegated).

I like Still and think he could do a good job, just hope he can attract good players who believe he can make them better and help them move up in their career.

Why not save a few quid and hire Kelvin Davis

 

[suewhistle]

Have you seen many job adverts recently? If candidates had all the attributes asked for they wouldn't be applying to most of them and would certainly be asking for more money than offered.

I think many football fans have similar unrealistic expectations as to whom we can recruit.

And before you ask, I personally don't have a clue; not following enough football to be informed enough..

[Dusic]

7 minutes ago, DT said:

Oh great. Another experiment. All to massage Rasmus’ ego. Yay! He does PowerPoints. He will be great! Fuck experience or even being in a better league. Honestly, such muppets running our club

Ligue Un is definitely better than the Championship!

And unless you have been living under a rock, its Spors who is selecting the Manager.

Young, yes - but as he wasn't a pro player he started management earlier than usual and has good experience with solid clubs in Europe and is clearly not going to be clueless about what happens in England! Certainly more experience of management than title winning Maresca whose whopping 2 years of management now sees him at Chelsea.

All appointments are a risk and perhaps there were 'safer' options but I don't see why you are reacting so strongly? He is clearly a competent manager who has earned a career the hard way.

Good luck if he does join - great opportunity for him and expect his motivation wil match. Easy to add some experience of English football too - Lallana would be ideal to keep especially if moving towards a Klopp-esque style.

[Fabrice29]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

I would have thought the more 'manager attributes' boxes you can tick the better...? 

It's not a manager attribute is my argument. 

[trousers]

4 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

It's not a manager attribute is my argument. 

Fair enough. It's fine to disagree

(Unless you're MLG, of course... )

Edited 6 hours ago by trousers

[Osvaldorama]

Will Still has been highly rated in the game for a long time. Impressive record for someone so young. 
 

In a way he’s similar to Martin in that he’s been tipped for big things for a while. Luckily he doesn’t play Martinball though and is quite flexible in his approach. 
 

I think he’s a better candidate than Rohl, personally. More experience actually managing at a higher level. 

[Matthew Le God]

We've had the two Koeman brothers.

We might get three Stills!

Will Still's coaching team includes Edward Still and Nicholas Still.

 

[Maggie May]

Get in. My first choice.

I’m still adamant Russell Martin will achieve more in his career than Danny Rohl.

[saintant]

Guardian reporting that Tom Cleverley has also been interviewed and impressed the club. I'd prefer Still to someone who was sacked by Watford.

[saintant]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

We've had the two Koeman brothers.

We might get three Stills!

Will Still's coaching team includes Edward Still and Nicholas Still.

 

Smacks a wee bit of nepotism and rings alarm bells for me.

[trousers]

1 minute ago, saintant said:

Guardian reporting that Tom Cleverley has also been interviewed and impressed the club. I'd prefer Still to someone who was sacked by Watford.

Haven't 99% of managers that have ever existed been sacked by Watford...?

[Matthew Le God]

3 minutes ago, saintant said:

Guardian reporting that Tom Cleverley has also been interviewed and impressed the club. I'd prefer Still to someone who was sacked by Watford.

Ruling out people sacked by Warford rules out a lot of managers!

[trousers]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

Ruling out people sacked by Warford rules out a lot of managers!

FFS... I've started to think like MLG.... 😳

[Matthew Le God]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

FFS... I've started to think like MLG.... 😳

Slippery slope!

[saintant]

4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Ruling out people sacked by Warford rules out a lot of managers!

No need to make a point that has already been made 🙂

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

 

Okay, but does "nice to have" really "improve your odds" and if so..how?

For me I think it's important to have a commanding man in charge for a team like saints who knows the league and what is required to get out of it. I look at the good job that Martin did last year and think his prior experience really helped when having to mould so many new faces together. 

[hypochondriac]

27 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

In what way does the league label impact the match? If for example we labelled Lens vs Monaco a Premier League game and Saints vs Derby County a Ligue 1 game. How do those league labels make a difference to what happens on the pitch?

Real life isn't a computer game. 

[Miltonaggro]

Collective RPM of the club fluffers on here approaching Nathan Jones level this morning. 

[hypochondriac]

29 minutes ago, Dr. Kucho said:

For the people who say Still has no experience in the English leagues, 

Guardiola, Iraola, Slot, Frank, Pochettino and Koeman had no experience and did/are doing a great job.

Arteta, Emery, Howe, Nuno and Silva have experience and are also doing a good job. 

Martin, Van Nistelrooy, Loptegui, had previous experience in Premier league as a player or manager and have failed. 

Conclusion, it can work out it can go horribly wrong. It’s not just the manager, it’s the whole set up at the club that has to be good for a manager to succeed.

With the mess Sports Republic have made of the club I doubt even Klopp would have got a decent tune out of this (yes I believe we would have more then the 12 points we have now with him in charge, but still we would have been relegated).

I like Still and think he could do a good job, just hope he can attract good players who believe he can make them better and help them move up in their career.

No one has ever said he will fail because he doesn't have league experience. 

[trousers]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

No one has ever said he will fail because he doesn't have league experience. 

It's almost as if some members of the Saintsweb gang are too quick to jump to conclusions....

[Fabrice29]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

For me I think it's important to have a commanding man in charge for a team like saints who knows the league and what is required to get out of it. I look at the good job that Martin did last year and think his prior experience really helped when having to mould so many new faces together. 

I actually think you either walk in on your first day as a commanding man or you don't and previous experience wouldn't help with that. But fair enough, different opinions. I have concerns over Still, mainly stemming from his Reims team being an utter bore fest to watch a couple of years back and his MNF appearance being a bit too convenient and odd for me but even with a lack of experience, like you, I'm fully willing to embrace him and give him a chance.