saintoaks Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Looking at there forum, it's not looking good for saturday, as long as we get some notice i'm not bothered.
tdmickey3 Posted January 8 Posted January 8 1 minute ago, saintoaks said: Looking at there forum, it's not looking good for saturday, as long as we get some notice i'm not bothered. So are the squad, so they can stay in the sun for longer
BARCELONASAINT Posted January 8 Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Lighthouse said: I'm not sure how some of you know how people actually work. They've just had an absolutely gruelling match schedule and moral is probably quite low after all the results. They need a break, both mentally and physically and a few days in the sun with their friends or families will do them some good. The attitudes of some people on here are just a witch hunt, whereby the solution to our recent struggles must be to cancel the break and make everyone do extra tough training sessions until it makes them winners. They're human beings. If you cancelling people's time away with their wives and kids (and they really don't get much mid-season) then players are going to properly down tools. As for following players wives on Instagram, then being upset when they post pictures of their lives; good lord get over yourself. In principle i don't disagree with you. However what i would be very interested in knowing "is this the same for other Championship clubs this week"? If the answer is yes and they are all having a few days off then although it still grates it's at least in line with everyone else......however if we are the only ones or one of a minority of clubs then thats where i would have issue considering how shit their performances have been!
Lighthouse Posted January 8 Posted January 8 46 minutes ago, coalman said: The best time to understand what's gone wrong and learn is while the experience is fresh. We appear to be ignoring this opportunity. There is another game coming up this weekend we should prepare for. Unless people think Doncaster are so easy we can just show up. That's just disrespectful to our opposition. I wouldn't cancel holiday for people. I wouldn't have approved it in the first place because this is a key part of the season. Unless we were in a good place which we were/are not. It is possible to improve our chances in the next game without high intensity training. In fact recovery times improve by doing light work the day after. It is possible to improve as a team while recovering from a busy schedule. We are doing neither. I have no doubt at all that there are plenty of people back at Staplewood analysing our recent performances as I type this and looking at what can be improved and where we can exploit our next two or three opponents. I have no doubt either that the players who will be travelling up to Doncaster have been properly briefed and we may well know the starting XI already. This is not a key part of the season, that's why we've given them a break now. We have two weeks between league games, with no international games and only a cup tie up at Donny in the middle. It's about as good a time as you can get for a break, right in the middle of the season. Every club spends millions every year on sports science and the vast majority of them, going by many players social media, accommodate a short break mid-season. I'm sure if telling players, "don't be fatigued, you went to Ayia Napa in June," was a viable alternative that yielded better results, everyone would be doing that instead. 1
coalman Posted January 8 Posted January 8 25 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: I'm sure if telling players, "don't be fatigued, you went to Ayia Napa in June," was a viable alternative that yielded better results, everyone would be doing that instead. Inventing a made up point for people you're disagreeing with doesn't strengthen your own point. 3
Lighthouse Posted January 8 Posted January 8 19 minutes ago, coalman said: Inventing a made up point for people you're disagreeing with doesn't strengthen your own point. I'm not actually making it up though, am I. 2 hours ago, Osvaldorama said: Are you forgetting that they get months off in the summer anyway? 3 hours ago, S-Clarke said: They have an entire summer off every year. Then they retire mid 30's as millionaires able to be on holiday for the rest of their lives.
coalman Posted January 8 Posted January 8 3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: I'm not actually making it up though, am I. Except I don't see my username in that list of people you've quoted. I don't believe I've made that point.
coalman Posted January 8 Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Lighthouse said: I have no doubt at all that there are plenty of people back at Staplewood analysing our recent performances as I type this and looking at what can be improved and where we can exploit our next two or three opponents. I have no doubt either that the players who will be travelling up to Doncaster have been properly briefed and we may well know the starting XI already. This is not a key part of the season, that's why we've given them a break now. We have two weeks between league games, with no international games and only a cup tie up at Donny in the middle. It's about as good a time as you can get for a break, right in the middle of the season. Every club spends millions every year on sports science and the vast majority of them, going by many players social media, accommodate a short break mid-season. I'm sure if telling players, "don't be fatigued, you went to Ayia Napa in June," was a viable alternative that yielded better results, everyone would be doing that instead. The outcome of the "millions we spend on sports science" and analysts appears to be a team that cannot compete for 90 minutes. And that isn't set up to exploit our opponents. 12
suewhistle Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Not sure about the summer off thing. All the good players are off at international tournaments, er.. like Irish internationals Manning and Bazunu. Um.. 1
Football Special Posted January 8 Posted January 8 2 hours ago, saintoaks said: Looking at there forum, it's not looking good for saturday, as long as we get some notice i'm not bothered. Have you got a link for that?
Mr Brightside Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Encouraging! Re: Southampton Game - FA Cup « Reply #22 on Today at 01:14:36 pm by knockers » I think that it’ll be on as my dogs last poo last night wasn’t frozen this morning. Logged 11
trousers Posted January 8 Posted January 8 2 hours ago, Lighthouse said: I have no doubt at all that there are plenty of people back at Staplewood analysing our recent performances as I type this and looking at what can be improved and where we can exploit our next two or three opponents. I have no doubt either that the players who will be travelling up to Doncaster have been properly briefed and we may well know the starting XI already. This is not a key part of the season, that's why we've given them a break now. We have two weeks between league games, with no international games and only a cup tie up at Donny in the middle. It's about as good a time as you can get for a break, right in the middle of the season. Every club spends millions every year on sports science and the vast majority of them, going by many players social media, accommodate a short break mid-season. I'm sure if telling players, "don't be fatigued, you went to Ayia Napa in June," was a viable alternative that yielded better results, everyone would be doing that instead. Thanks for explaining why our players have been highly competitive the last couple of years... And there was me thinking the current regime were clueless... 1
Turkish Posted January 8 Posted January 8 12 hours ago, Lighthouse said: It's mid-season and they've just played four games in ten days? Why on Earth would you NOT let them have a break and why does that depend on results? Breaks aren't a reward for winning, they're a necessity. 6 hours ago, Osvaldorama said: I dunno, personally if I ran a football club think I’d occasionally be tempted to try this thing called ‘football training’ which is where players work hard to improve upon their fitness, individual and collective performances. But maybe that’s a bit old school for a Sport republic club? 4 hours ago, coalman said: Yeah. Going on holiday screams that everything is ok and nothing needs to be learned or change. A lack of professionalism I don't believe that would be tolerated in any other field. Actually it doesn't. For all those screaming how terrible it is you dont thrash athletes to death for 11 months of the year, they dont work on their fitness mid season unless they're coming back from injury or need specific improvements. It has been proven time and again that after a tough period a rest or deload period for a few days actually has a significant enhancement on performance. It 100% much better than getting them in for a beep test or thrashing on the training ground like some of you jokers are suggesting. Some of you wont like it because we're on a bad run but facts are facts. 3
saintant Posted January 8 Posted January 8 15 hours ago, SaintNewForest said: His Mrs has posted pics of them in Dubai with their child. Stephens is in Cornwall with his partner and kids. Imagine being given a holiday after being trounced 4-0 away from home. Everything wrong with the club right there. Should have been in doing double shifts. Manning is not going to improve fucking sunning himself in Dubai. Bring back the carrot and stick or better still the birch. 1
saintant Posted January 8 Posted January 8 12 hours ago, Lighthouse said: It's mid-season and they've just played four games in ten days? Why on Earth would you NOT let them have a break and why does that depend on results? Breaks aren't a reward for winning, they're a necessity. As is training to improve especially for a team that has been shit for six games in a row.
Football Special Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Might get an idea of who will be involved at Doncaster from u21s depending on who plays in this tomorrow
trousers Posted January 8 Posted January 8 6 minutes ago, Turkish said: Actually it doesn't. For all those screaming how terrible it is you dont thrash athletes to death for 11 months of the year, they dont work on their fitness mid season unless they're coming back from injury or need specific improvements. It has been proven time and again that after a tough period a rest or deload period for a few days actually has a significant enhancement on performance. It 100% much better than getting them in for a beep test or thrashing on the training ground like some of you jokers are suggesting. Some of you wont like it because we're on a bad run but facts are facts. Maybe some kind of middle-ground activity would have made for better optics... Say, a non-sporting team building event / workshop or such like?
Turkish Posted January 8 Posted January 8 1 minute ago, trousers said: Maybe some kind of middle-ground activity would have made for better optics... Say, a non-sporting team building event / workshop or such like? Great idea, they could have joined Jack and his family and gone orienteering in Cornwall 1
saintant Posted January 8 Posted January 8 4 hours ago, coalman said: Yeah. Going on holiday screams that everything is ok and nothing needs to be learned or change. A lack of professionalism I don't believe that would be tolerated in any other field. Agree. Would rather hear a statement from the club saying this would normally be a good opportunity to give the players a break but, as they have performed so badly, the coaches and players have agreed that more time on the training pitch would be more beneficial. 1
trousers Posted January 8 Posted January 8 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Turkish said: Great idea, they could have joined Jack and his family and gone orienteering in Cornwall Hmm, not sure something as strenuous as orienteering would gain approval from the club's crack sport scientists for our delicate petals... Edited January 8 by trousers
saintant Posted January 8 Posted January 8 3 hours ago, Lighthouse said: I'm not sure how some of you know how people actually work. They've just had an absolutely gruelling match schedule and moral is probably quite low after all the results. They need a break, both mentally and physically and a few days in the sun with their friends or families will do them some good. The attitudes of some people on here are just a witch hunt, whereby the solution to our recent struggles must be to cancel the break and make everyone do extra tough training sessions until it makes them winners. They're human beings. If you cancelling people's time away with their wives and kids (and they really don't get much mid-season) then players are going to properly down tools. As for following players wives on Instagram, then being upset when they post pictures of their lives; good lord get over yourself. Did they actually give a shit for the morale of the fans who braved difficult conditions to make the long trip to Middlesboro? Nah, most of them scuttled off the pitch as fast as they could to get home to the comfort of their mansions. I'm all for breaks in these circumstances if the side is performing but this feels like a kick in the teeth for our long suffering fans and more evidence of the 'who gives a shit' attitude that seems to permeate the football club. 3
saintant Posted January 8 Posted January 8 2 hours ago, Lighthouse said: I have no doubt at all that there are plenty of people back at Staplewood analysing our recent performances as I type this and looking at what can be improved and where we can exploit our next two or three opponents. I have no doubt either that the players who will be travelling up to Doncaster have been properly briefed and we may well know the starting XI already. This is not a key part of the season, that's why we've given them a break now. We have two weeks between league games, with no international games and only a cup tie up at Donny in the middle. It's about as good a time as you can get for a break, right in the middle of the season. Every club spends millions every year on sports science and the vast majority of them, going by many players social media, accommodate a short break mid-season. I'm sure if telling players, "don't be fatigued, you went to Ayia Napa in June," was a viable alternative that yielded better results, everyone would be doing that instead. Do you really believe what you've written there? Also you seem to have a blinkered view on the levels of preparation we put into games - either that or what preparation we are doing is a complete waste of time and money judging by results over the past season and a half. 3
Challenger Posted January 8 Posted January 8 14 minutes ago, Turkish said: Great idea, they could have joined Jack and his family and gone orienteering in Cornwall Apparently our Jack has just become the first bloke to traverse Bodmin Moor backwards. 3
trousers Posted January 8 Posted January 8 1 minute ago, saintant said: Do you really believe what you've written there? Why would a contrarian ever believe what they've written...? 1
saintant Posted January 8 Posted January 8 26 minutes ago, Turkish said: Actually it doesn't. For all those screaming how terrible it is you dont thrash athletes to death for 11 months of the year, they dont work on their fitness mid season unless they're coming back from injury or need specific improvements. It has been proven time and again that after a tough period a rest or deload period for a few days actually has a significant enhancement on performance. It 100% much better than getting them in for a beep test or thrashing on the training ground like some of you jokers are suggesting. Some of you wont like it because we're on a bad run but facts are facts. Well, rather than having the poor wee lambs doing circuit training and beep tests perhaps the time could have been better spent on giving goalkeepers some practice at saving routine shots or coming for crosses or reps to teach players to make 5-10 yard passes or how about training defenders to mark opponents rather than space or maybe how to throw the ball to a team mate...it's a pretty endless and soul destroying list isn't it? 5
tdmickey3 Posted January 8 Posted January 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, Turkish said: Great idea, they could have joined Jack and his family and gone orienteering in Cornwall He would have arranged cream teas for all of them Edited January 8 by tdmickey3
Football Special Posted January 8 Posted January 8 24 minutes ago, saintant said: Well, rather than having the poor wee lambs doing circuit training and beep tests perhaps the time could have been better spent on giving goalkeepers some practice at saving routine shots or coming for crosses or reps to teach players to make 5-10 yard passes or how about training defenders to mark opponents rather than space or maybe how to throw the ball to a team mate...it's a pretty endless and soul destroying list isn't it? I'd have had them in watching the Middlesbrough game on repeat and highlight the defensive positioning, then prepare for the actual match we have this week 1
suewhistle Posted January 8 Posted January 8 51 minutes ago, Challenger said: Apparently our Jack has just become the first bloke to traverse Bodmin Moor backwards. Ridiculous! Sideways, surely? 2
hypochondriac Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Tonda in the press conference trying to suggest that the reason we have been forced to only play one way was because our full backs have been injured.Just bollocks imo no reason we have had to constantly play fellows at the back. 3
Challenger Posted January 8 Posted January 8 40 minutes ago, suewhistle said: Ridiculous! Sideways, surely? That was the intention, however he completely lost his bearings and decided that backwards was the safest option.
Suhari Posted January 8 Posted January 8 20 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Tonda in the press conference trying to suggest that the reason we have been forced to only play one way was because our full backs have been injured.Just bollocks imo no reason we have had to constantly play fellows at the back. See this is a bit weird for me... Still: I can't play 4-2-3-1 'cause I haven't got the wide players for it. Signs wide players, stays with 3CBs. Hungry Eyes: I can't play a back 4 because our FBs are injured. Hmm, really? Why not just say that you want to use 3 CBs, or ven that SR insist? 1
The Kraken Posted January 8 Posted January 8 I dislike the 3 CB and 2 holding midfielders setup as much as the next man. But Eckert isn’t telling an outright lie about a lack of full backs. Up to very recently we didn’t have a proper right back - Jelert and Mads injured, Bree on loan. And Manning the only fit left back. I don’t think we had any decent option to play at right back; Edwards probably the most likely candidate, and I don’t think that’s a good fit. Also Tonda got off to a rocket start and Fellows plugged the gap nicely. The last few games, very much not and with Jelert back and available that excuse no longer stands up. I would like to think Eckert is not completely wedded to one particular system but I’m yet to be convinced. The tactics of late have been dire and the overwhelming amount of subs we make are like for like swaps.
Jack Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Haven’t listened but I don’t suppose Adam suggested that his system is boring and predictable, and clearly not working? I’m done with the Tonda experiment already but if he doesn’t make drastic changes to how we’re trying to set up against Donny, I’d suggest that a lot who are on the fence will be turned 1
hypochondriac Posted January 8 Posted January 8 26 minutes ago, Jack said: Haven’t listened but I don’t suppose Adam suggested that his system is boring and predictable, and clearly not working? I’m done with the Tonda experiment already but if he doesn’t make drastic changes to how we’re trying to set up against Donny, I’d suggest that a lot who are on the fence will be turned He suggested we might even see some changes of formation on occasion now that we have Jelert and roeslev fit. Didn't sound like there would be any big changes though just sometimes. 1
saintant Posted January 8 Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Football Special said: I'd have had them in watching the Middlesbrough game on repeat and highlight the defensive positioning, then prepare for the actual match we have this week The points I made were all things that they should be practicing in preparation for the match against Doncaster because they get them consistently wrong. Yeah, I do agree they should be made to watch reruns of all the many mistakes made against Boro if nothing else but to rub their noses in their own shit. 1
S-Clarke Posted January 8 Posted January 8 5 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Tonda in the press conference trying to suggest that the reason we have been forced to only play one way was because our full backs have been injured.Just bollocks imo no reason we have had to constantly play fellows at the back. We'll see I guess, but I do sense bollocks. When Jelert was back, he brought him on as a sub and didn't switch to a back 4. He kept Jelert on the bench at the weekend and didn't play a back 4. So yeah, not sold on that. We'll see. 1
Andy Hill Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Hopefully our back 5 have learnt during training this week that they can actually move in our penalty area rather than impersonate traffic cones.
hypochondriac Posted January 8 Posted January 8 11 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: We'll see I guess, but I do sense bollocks. When Jelert was back, he brought him on as a sub and didn't switch to a back 4. He kept Jelert on the bench at the weekend and didn't play a back 4. So yeah, not sold on that. We'll see. He said something like now he's a bit fitter and can play more they have options for the formation. If he does go to 4 now that will be the excuse rather than admitting he's buckled to fan and pundit pressure. Weak
Football Special Posted January 8 Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: He said something like now he's a bit fitter and can play more they have options for the formation. If he does go to 4 now that will be the excuse rather than admitting he's buckled to fan and pundit pressure. Weak Did he say anything about player availability and winter sun holidays?
Osvaldorama Posted January 8 Posted January 8 7 hours ago, Turkish said: Actually it doesn't. For all those screaming how terrible it is you dont thrash athletes to death for 11 months of the year, they dont work on their fitness mid season unless they're coming back from injury or need specific improvements. It has been proven time and again that after a tough period a rest or deload period for a few days actually has a significant enhancement on performance. It 100% much better than getting them in for a beep test or thrashing on the training ground like some of you jokers are suggesting. Some of you wont like it because we're on a bad run but facts are facts. Not having that in Manning’s case. Hes barely broken into a sprint this season. What does he need to recover from?
lambtiss Posted January 8 Posted January 8 20 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said: Not having that in Manning’s case. Hes barely broken into a sprint this season. What does he need to recover from? Can you recover from a lack of talent? 2
die Mannyschaft Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Will Bazunu play Saturday as he is now in reserves/bench list? Plus Ross? I cant see this being a main squad.
hypochondriac Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Second part of the presser suggests Bazunu is off which is good news! 2
St. Ciervo Posted January 9 Posted January 9 As far as this vacation time for players - I get it... They are human. The club should not be forcing the players to lose time with family. But f... me. I want a leader on this team to call players back. I want my captain calling for the extra work. Soft all around. Our players clock in and out instead of playing with pride. 1
coalman Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Meanwhile, in Portugal, Jose Mourinho is unhappy with his Benfuca side. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c07xzzn3j39o 1
St. Ciervo Posted January 9 Posted January 9 I would kill for him to be our manager. Preferably a Pompey fan, but I am open.
Chez Posted January 9 Posted January 9 6 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Second part of the presser suggests Bazunu is off which is good news! Do you mean he is likely to be sold because we have loaned a keeper?
hypochondriac Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Chez said: Do you mean he is likely to be sold because we have loaned a keeper? Yes that's essentially what was said.
tdmickey3 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 7 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Second part of the presser suggests Bazunu is off which is good news! Then why the fuck were we playing him if we are looking to get shot of him...
hypochondriac Posted January 9 Posted January 9 14 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said: Then why the fuck were we playing him if we are looking to get shot of him... I expect he doesn't want to be second choice. Up until we got someone else Tonda considered him the best choice.
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