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You still have an opportunity to change the direction of this club.

 

Were you all there tonight or do you only attend when Rupert's there??

 

Did you hear the protesters on Saturday before you pulled the blinds across in the Boardroom??

 

I hope you can all sleep at night, because when the Demise of Southampton FC is written, you lot will have pride of place alongside 'your boy'.

 

You ruined my club. A club that I have supported since I was 5 years old, when SFC was everyone's favourite underdog - the club that always punched above it's weight.

 

Now we have no punch. Next time you go to St Marys and sit in the Directors Box, before you all sit down after the champers....count the empty seats.

 

What an achievement.

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You still have an opportunity to change the direction of this club.

 

Were you all there tonight or do you only attend when Rupert's there??

 

Did you hear the protesters on Saturday before you pulled the blinds across in the Boardroom??

 

I hope you can all sleep at night, because when the Demise of Southampton FC is written, you lot will have pride of place alongside 'your boy'.

 

You ruined my club. A club that I have supported since I was 5 years old, when SFC was everyone's favourite underdog - the club that always punched above it's weight.

 

Now we have no punch. Next time you go to St Marys and sit in the Directors Box, before you all sit down after the champers....count the empty seats.

 

What an achievement.

 

5 men who should hang their heads tonight and hopefully not sleep well

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Dont give up! We must NEVER give up until these people are hounded from this club.

 

There will be no change until these people leave this club for good.

 

You are right......and its about time some supporters forgot their pre-match pint, get off their arses and protest like the 1500 of us did on Saturday.

 

Double that number on 21 Feb.......get behind the protest FFS !!

 

A 16 year old cares enough about his club to organise a march......all those who cannot be bothered - will you be re-newing your season tickets next year ?

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You are right......and its about time some supporters forgot their pre-match pint, get off their arses and protest like the 1500 of us did on Saturday.

 

Double that number on 21 Feb.......get behind the protest FFS !!

 

A 16 year old cares enough about his club to organise a march......all those who cannot be bothered - will you be re-newing your season tickets next year ?

 

Did you get a reply from the Quisling ?

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......all those who cannot be bothered - will you be re-newing your season tickets next year ?

 

Nope. Because as much as it hurts to do it its the only language these ****s understand. Only when their share dividend starts to look bad will they finally lose confidence in the duck hunter.

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Dont give up! We must NEVER give up until these people are hounded from this club.

 

There will be no change until these people leave this club for good.

The trouble is, we're not hounding them aggressively enough.....

 

I completely agree with the initial post.....this is our club...the loyal, long serving fans....not these money grabbing b'stards.

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Quote from Michael Richards:

 

'I believe I hold my shares on trust for the supporters and the City of Southampton.

My shares are not for sale until they relieve me of that trust.

I make the decisions I feel are right for the club regardless of how popular that might be.'

 

Please show the supporters of SFC that you do care about the club.

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Quote from Michael Richards:

 

'I believe I hold my shares on trust for the supporters and the City of Southampton.

My shares are not for sale until they relieve me of that trust.

I make the decisions I feel are right for the club regardless of how popular that might be.'

 

Please show the supporters of SFC that you do care about the club.

 

What an incredible quote that is......talk about deluded.

 

He sounds almost as pompous as old beetroot cheeks !!

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Quote from Michael Richards:

 

'I believe I hold my shares on trust for the supporters and the City of Southampton.

My shares are not for sale until they relieve me of that trust.

I make the decisions I feel are right for the club regardless of how popular that might be.'

 

What a load of bolllocks.

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Quote from Michael Richards:

 

'I believe I hold my shares on trust for the supporters and the City of Southampton.

My shares are not for sale until they relieve me of that trust.

I make the decisions I feel are right for the club regardless of how popular that might be.'

 

Please show the supporters of SFC that you do care about the club.

 

Well Michael Richards, tonight, consider that trust relieved because you certainly will know that on 21st Feb at the Preston game. So sell your shares now & start convincing your cronies to do likewise.

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It's time the pressure was put on Askham, and Richards etc.

They're not drawing the large salary Lowe is and will buckle quicker.

 

I agree. Lowe won't go just because of a few nasty songs and a few 'lunatics' (his words,not mine) walking round the town. He is obviously so deluded that he still thinks he knows best, he clearly has the league table upside down on his wall. The way forward is to target his supporters, get them to change their minds and vote the leech out once and for all, and then for them to follow him out the door.

How do we apply this kind of pressure though, legally? Do they have business interests we can boycott?

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Have been saying for years that IT IS THESE PEOPLE who need to be the target of any protest.

At the end of the day THEY appointed and keep Rupert in power , without them he is nothing.

Still not one of them has EVER actually put a penny into the club, i bet there are a lot of SMALL BUSINESS men around the country who wish they did not have to put up their homes as security to guarantee overdrafts/loans at this time.

These guys want to be owners but only when it suits them, time to put up as other small businessmen do

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What annoys me so much from the rabidly pro Lowe lobby is the way "Avoiding administration" and "Financial stability" is being waved under our noses as if balancing the books is the ONLY thing a chairman or board need to do with a football club...

Yes, of course, we all know that football is a business and we all know books have to be balanced... we're not stupid..

But at what stage do Lowe or Wilde run this as a football club? For the last four years the way this club has been run is farcical. Now we're facing relegation full in the face, does anyone really feel any better that we'll beat administration to the punch with relegation?

At what stage do we open our eyes and question this board? The fact that Wilde and Lowe now are virtually invisible is absolutely shameful. A bunch of cowards who enjoy the limelight during the good times and hide away during the bad...

A shocking state of affairs...

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Have been saying for years that IT IS THESE PEOPLE who need to be the target of any protest.

At the end of the day THEY appointed and keep Rupert in power , without them he is nothing.

Still not one of them has EVER actually put a penny into the club, i bet there are a lot of SMALL BUSINESS men around the country who wish they did not have to put up their homes as security to guarantee overdrafts/loans at this time.

These guys want to be owners but only when it suits them, time to put up as other small businessmen do

 

Spot on - and what we need to compare with like for like when Lowe is assessed is John Madejski of Reading.

 

THAT'S A FVCKING CHAIRMAN FOR YOU - WHO PUTS HIS MONEY WHERE HIS MOUTH IS.

 

Don't see many protests against him following relegation....maybe it's because he's putting EVERY EFFORT into getting the club back to the Prem at the FIRST ATTEMPT.

 

NOT FVCKING ABOUT WITH TRYING TO REVOLUTIONISE FOOTBALL.

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Spot on - and what we need to compare with like for like when Lowe is assessed is John Madejski of Reading.

 

THAT'S A FVCKING CHAIRMAN FOR YOU - WHO PUTS HIS MONEY WHERE HIS MOUTH IS.

 

Don't see many protests against him following relegation....maybe it's because he's putting EVERY EFFORT into getting the club back to the Prem at the FIRST ATTEMPT.

 

NOT FVCKING ABOUT WITH TRYING TO REVOLUTIONISE FOOTBALL.

 

You missed out a bit on your thread title - next to those names it needed to say "need shooting". In fact, I'd write George Bowyer's name on Askham's bullet and I'd add the equally grubby Keith Wiseman (you may have changed sides Keith but we all know what you did) in that group and write Corbett's name on his.

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You missed out a bit on your thread title - next to those names it needed to say "need shooting". In fact, I'd write George Bowyer's name on Askham's bullet and I'd add the equally grubby Keith Wiseman (you may have changed sides Keith but we all know what you did) in that group and write Corbett's name on his.

 

Yep..would love to see Wiseman's Coroner Report on the state of SFC...just who would he blame?

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Yep..would love to see Wiseman's Coroner Report on the state of SFC...just who would he blame?

 

Rupert Lowe no doubt. Wiseman also signed off Euell's signing which is another piece of evidence against him although the book "Broken Dreams" is Exhibit A. Wotte would no doubt forge Lowe's signature on the certificate as Rupert would be away fishing in Scotland.

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You are right......and its about time some supporters forgot their pre-match pint, get off their arses and protest like the 1500 of us did on Saturday.

 

Double that number on 21 Feb.......get behind the protest FFS !!

 

A 16 year old cares enough about his club to organise a march......all those who cannot be bothered - will you be re-newing your season tickets next year ?

 

100% agree - whilst I imagine the season ticket renewal boycott is now going to be a real possibility - lets make the march on the 21st Feb twice or three times bigger - the last one was a fantastic sucess but we all know mates that although they despise lowe and what hes doing (not doing) - they somehow still stay in the pub - well on this day put the argument for getting up and at 1.30 be at the bargates - in fact dangle a pint in front of their noses and watch them follow you!!

 

march with pride to St Marys and lets make a massive statement that simply cant be ignored - tell your friends - get anybody thats interested even if they have stopped going to matches - get them there!!!!

 

Saturday 21st February

 

THE MARCH FOR CHANGE

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You still have an opportunity to change the direction of this club.

 

Were you all there tonight or do you only attend when Rupert's there??

 

Did you hear the protesters on Saturday before you pulled the blinds across in the Boardroom??

 

I hope you can all sleep at night, because when the Demise of Southampton FC is written, you lot will have pride of place alongside 'your boy'.

 

You ruined my club. A club that I have supported since I was 5 years old, when SFC was everyone's favourite underdog - the club that always punched above it's weight.

 

Now we have no punch. Next time you go to St Marys and sit in the Directors Box, before you all sit down after the champers....count the empty seats.

 

What an achievement.

 

Maybe the Saints Trust should invite them to an open meeting to discuss the past, present and more importantly the future or Southampton FC with its supporters!

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Anyone remember this:

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=7009

 

Makes me feel sick the rubbish these people spout.

 

Perhaps Mr Richards would like to come on here and give his reasons for supporting the 'current regime'.

 

Is the war still about 'personalities' Mr Richards, or is it just because Rupert can't run a football club effectively without a potload of money from Sky???

 

Dare you...:)

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Perhaps Mr Richards would like to come on here and give his reasons for supporting the 'current regime'.

 

Is the war still about 'personalities' Mr Richards, or is it just because Rupert can't run a football club effectively without a potload of money from Sky???

 

Dare you...:)

If you put yourself back to that time when all was going on, it shows to me he was a shrewd judge. It would be good to read his thoughts on things now. I found it amusing seeing how some of our board were happy to jump ship and alos take the money.We sure have a barrel of snakes at the top.
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You Sir are the one being tongue in cheek.
No I thought it was an interesting article and he opened up the goings on in the boardroom at that time. He laid out what was happening there and then and showed what a load of ducking and diving peole we have there.

If only there was a serious alternative, LC is one who would put money up, but not enough and I dont see him uniting the fans either.

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If you put yourself back to that time when all was going on, it shows to me he was a shrewd judge. It would be good to read his thoughts on things now. I found it amusing seeing how some of our board were happy to jump ship and alos take the money.We sure have a barrel of snakes at the top.

 

Perhaps so Nick, but I want to know how he thinks they are currently doing things 'right' considering our position.

 

The time has come for these power-brokers to show their hand - everything is too cloak and dagger at present.

 

Either that or they are too SCARED to speak for fear of upsetting someone...

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Perhaps so Nick, but I want to know how he thinks they are currently doing things 'right' considering our position.

 

The time has come for these power-brokers to show their hand - everything is too cloak and dagger at present.

 

Either that or they are too SCARED to speak for fear of upsetting someone...

I agree with you.At that moment in time he was right to question Wilde, now it may be a different scenario and he needs to tell us again what is going on.

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I agree with you.At that moment in time he was right to question Wilde, now it may be a different scenario and he needs to tell us again what is going on.

 

I think the key thing in all of this is that Rupert's Associates all had their doubts about Wilde - have they now disappeared amazingly because he helped bring Rupert back?

 

Don't believe it for a moment.

 

I really think that their little group is one little outburst away from imploding.

 

Come on then guys, who's first???

 

Askham? Nah, hasn't got the balls...

Richards? Maybe....at least has the balls to state his case...

Windsor-Clive - probably trying to distance himself from all this...

Withers - fending off Scooby Doo at the Amusement Park....

Wilde? - hiding in the loos at St Marys....

 

Mr Richards, the forum is yours - tell us all what you are thinking.

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I think the key thing in all of this is that Rupert's Associates all had their doubts about Wilde - have they now disappeared amazingly because he helped bring Rupert back?

 

Don't believe it for a moment.

 

I really think that their little group is one little outburst away from imploding.

 

Come on then guys, who's first???

 

Askham? Nah, hasn't got the balls...

Richards? Maybe....at least has the balls to state his case...

Windsor-Clive - probably trying to distance himself from all this...

Withers - fending off Scooby Doo at the Amusement Park....

Wilde? - hiding in the loos at St Marys....

 

Mr Richards, the forum is yours - tell us all what you are thinking.

would neneteen canteen be one of these?? Nineteen Canteen has been accused of being SB nad others I dont beleieve it is.NC is very eloquent and has at present been cool under pressure. The article put up on here showed to me someone likewise and very close to the present regime/or friendly with it.
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would neneteen canteen be one of these?? Nineteen Canteen has been accused of being SB nad others I dont beleieve it is.NC is very eloquent and has at present been cool under pressure. The article put up on here showed to me someone likewise and very close to the present regime/or friendly with it.

 

Not sure Nick, his style is v.similar to SB but it could be that whoever "it" is has indeed got links to the current regime. I wouldn't be surprised put it that way. NC hasn't got involved in the personal spats with some posters that the SB alias did but I suspect "it" is under instruction not to do so. The anti-Crouch remarks look extremely similar to the postings of SB added to the general style. I thought SB was a Skate on a wind-up but it would almost be too much effort! If it someone with links to the current regime, it does tell you that they are very rattled indeed by the recent march and collective actions by the fans.

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Not sure Nick, his style is v.similar to SB but it could be that whoever "it" is has indeed got links to the current regime. I wouldn't be surprised put it that way. NC hasn't got involved in the personal spats with some posters that the SB alias did but I suspect "it" is under instruction not to do so. The anti-Crouch remarks look extremely similar to the postings of SB added to the general style. I thought SB was a Skate on a wind-up but it would almost be too much effort! If it someone with links to the current regime, it does tell you that they are very rattled indeed by the recent march and collective actions by the fans.

Perthaps or someone who believes in the way the club is going and so supportive.That would lead me to a friend or part of RL's group of friends on the board.He is most intelligent also puts up a good defence.i know many who are very anti Lowe would not agree but in balance he does not say anything too extreme either.Now he is almost certain to come out and have a vitriolic rant!!!

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Anyone remember this:

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=7009

 

Makes me feel sick the rubbish these people spout.

 

Interesting read.

 

Am sitting in a hotel room in Guernsey doing something I never in my worst nightmare expected to have to do.

I am writing a public statement about my involvement in Southampton Football Club because I fear for its future, and my fears have largely arisen as the result of the actions of people I have considered my friends for many years. Not that many people will know who I am, or what my involvement in Southampton Football Club has been over the last 16 years, and I have been very content with that.

My involvement has never been driven by ego or a need for recognition but rather out of gratitude for the opportunity to be involved in the Club and to help in whatever way I can.

The recent public statements of my erstwhile colleagues, principally Messrs Wiseman and Thompson, have however been too much and I have to try to communicate to the fans and the shareholders the reality of the current position of our Club.

The Southern Daily Echo felt it necessary to describe me as "the one in the red and white scarf" when reporting on the away game at Brighton last season so I feel obliged to give you a little of my personal history, particularly bearing in mind Keith Wiseman's comment that last Thursday was 'a sad day for Southampton supporters'.

I am a supporter of Southampton Football Club. After many years of paying on the gate, along with many other Saints fans I first bought season tickets for myself and my father when we signed Kevin Keegan, the only way we could be sure of getting in!

Through the kind offices of Brian Truscott we eventually progressed to the lofty heights of the Centre West benches, immediately below my wife and her father, Charlie Knott, who occupied the front row Centre West stand seats which had been in their family for many years.

I was then fortunate enough to be invited to join the board of Southampton Football Club in February 1990 when Guy Askham was appointed Chairman and they needed a finance director (unpaid) to replace him.

This overlong introduction is necessary following the recent publicity suggesting that the only "real" supporters are the dissenting directors rather than the majority of the board who remain behind the existing strategy to take us back to the Premier League where we belong.

There is a myth around that football has only recently become a business. I can assure you that it has always been so and that the advent of the Premier League simply added noughts to the problem that was always there - how to compete with the "big clubs" and those with rich owners.

Once I joined the board, away trips became a thing of the past as I caught up with the 'day job' at weekends, compensating for the time I spent at the club during the week paying bills, preparing accounts and budgets and carrying out the executive role part-time, a post which is now in the very capable hands of Dave Jones.

In 1997 I became Finance Director and subsequently Chief Executive of a plc based in Guernsey, but I remain resident in Southampton and a 'reverse tax exile' earning my money in Guernsey but paying UK tax. Hence my location when writing this statement.

Guy Askham has been involved as a Director of the Club for over 35 years, the first 25 years as finance director and then Chairman in very demanding executive roles.

In the last ten years he has provided very valuable support and advice to the full time executive which we now have.

I would ask you to consider why it is that Guy and I, who have both had considerable experience of the executive roles in Southampton Football Club are on the opposing side to the four other non-executive directors in the current dispute. Is it possible that we have a better understanding of what is required to run a major football club in the modern era?

The exception is of course Paul Thompson, a past Chairman of West Bromwich Albion. The circumstances in which he left West Bromwich Albion have been widely reported and suffice it to say that their boardroom was far from united.

Is this a coincidence? Paul has only been on our board for a little over two years and he and his family have had several investments in football clubs.

I am not going to join with my erstwhile colleagues in disclosing the happenings in the boardroom except to say that the day will live long in my memory when, following his family's sale of 10% of Southampton Football Club, Paul stated in a board meeting "Chairman, I have not sold any shares in SLH".

My only interest over the last 16 years has been the best interests of Southampton Football Club. The phrase "the best interests of Southampton Football Club" has been much devalued over the past couple of months as my colleagues, who paid as little for their shares as I did, have pocketed £250,000 each "in the best interests of the Football Club".

Mr Thompson, who admittedly paid more, or sorry his family, have pocketed £1.25 million or thereabouts.

I spent a lot of time with Ian Gordon and Brian Hunt trying to persuade them not to sell their shares, as they could pledge them to Michael Wilde if that was what they felt was best for the Club.

I actually said to them that the only reason for selling was if they wanted the money. They sold.

Keith Wiseman told me not to 'even try to embarrass him' over the sale of shares, so I didn't. You will remember that Keith was the only member of the 'old board' to have previously sold any shares - during his ill fated term as Chairman of the FA when he sold shares to - Rupert Lowe! No doubt in the best interests of the Football Club.

I believe I hold my shares on trust for the supporters and the City of Southampton. My shares are not for sale until they relieve me of that trust. I make the decisions I feel are right for the Club regardless of how popular that might be.

This coming season is probably the most important in the Club's history with the final year of the parachute payment and now with the even greater rewards of Premiership status from 2007/8 onwards.

I have spent a lot of time with Michael Wilde and Rupert trying to persuade them to work together during this very important year for the Club but thus far to no avail.

Rupert would genuinely, I believe, step down if he believed it was in the best interests of the Club, as would all of us who have been involved as both executives and non executives over the years.

We have all experienced the tough decisions in deciding we could not afford the team strengthening we would like to see as fans. Our own demise would be a much easier decision.

I have got to know Michael Wilde over the past couple of months and I like him, (although he is a very expensive lunch date!).

I don't know Patrick Trant but Mick Channon speaks well of him and my wife's family and his have a long association through sport. Lee Hoos is a very likeable man, but I do not know Jim Hone or Ken Dulieu.

The proposed "new board" might prove to be very successful given time but we do not have that time. The success of Southampton Football Club over this past many years has been through evolution not revolution.

It may be that changes are needed but we should not 'chop the head off' the club and replace it with unknown quantities in this vital year.

My belief is that the club could not be better positioned to regain its place in the Premier League. Andrew Cowen and his team are continuing to achieve magnificent results off the pitch to help finance our activities on it.

The stadium, training ground and academy speak for themselves. Most importantly in George Burley we have an exceptional football professional who, together with Clive Woodward and Rupert Lowe, form a management team which is, in my view, by far the best equipped to give us the success on the pitch which we all crave.

I have always said to my dissenting directors that I would support a better alternative to the current management. To date nobody, including Michael Wilde, has shown me a better alternative.

The campaign against Rupert Lowe is about personality. Running a football club is about character and your current board have character in abundance.

I will not, therefore, take my thirty pieces of silver and will go to the EGM where the shareholders can tell me if they disagree with my view.

If I have to go I can think of worse ways to be remembered than as "the man in the red and white scarf".

Mike Richards

5 June 2006

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Not sure Nick, his style is v.similar to SB but it could be that whoever "it" is has indeed got links to the current regime. I wouldn't be surprised put it that way. NC hasn't got involved in the personal spats with some posters that the SB alias did but I suspect "it" is under instruction not to do so. The anti-Crouch remarks look extremely similar to the postings of SB added to the general style. I thought SB was a Skate on a wind-up but it would almost be too much effort! If it someone with links to the current regime, it does tell you that they are very rattled indeed by the recent march and collective actions by the fans.

 

Some very interesting comments there that may be quite perceptive. SB's posts were often well structured but he showed his true colours on several occasions when backed into a corner and came back with some quite hideous personal attacks (the one against Darren W's mother sticks in my mind although there were others). Interestingly in his latter times of posting his tone changed significantly and I think it was Trousers who pointed out that someone else was using the SB user id??

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Interestingly in his latter times of posting his tone changed significantly and I think it was Trousers who pointed out that someone else was using the SB user id??

 

Aye, but was just a semi-educated hunch (before anyone gets the impression that I know anything about anything!) :)

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Askham, Richards, Windsor-Clive & Withers - Am I right in thinking that Lowe promised these guys he would get them "X" amount for their shares in return for their loyalty during the Wilde takeover?

 

In that case Askham will be 126 by the time that could happen.

 

Pull your fingers out of your ears guys, open your eyes and smell the decay in St Marys...

 

That's right, it's SFC that is decomposing.

 

Happy now?

 

Still think Rupert is the way forward Mr Richards???

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Perthaps or someone who believes in the way the club is going and so supportive.That would lead me to a friend or part of RL's group of friends on the board.He is most intelligent also puts up a good defence.i know many who are very anti Lowe would not agree but in balance he does not say anything too extreme either.Now he is almost certain to come out and have a vitriolic rant!!!

 

Personally I don't think he's expanded on the SB alias and he still launches into some very strong comments on both the Swansea protests - which were clearly inaccurate factually -and also some quite heavy pops at Leon Crouch that really did look like Sundance. He only has a pop at posters that are liable to get wound up I've noticed. Occasionally, SB could be quite dry and amusing but that seems to have vanished as the club's regime get more and more bunkered in. Personally, if I want to see more intelligent posts with wit I'd look for postings by GM, Weston, Fitzhugh, CB Fry and Jonah's financial perspective is usually interesting to read even if I don't always agree with it.

 

Still, pays your money and takes your choice.

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Personally I don't think he's expanded on the SB alias and he still launches into some very strong comments on both the Swansea protests - which were clearly inaccurate factually -and also some quite heavy pops at Leon Crouch that really did look like Sundance. He only has a pop at posters that are liable to get wound up I've noticed. Occasionally, SB could be quite dry and amusing but that seems to have vanished as the club's regime get more and more bunkered in. Personally, if I want to see more intelligent posts with wit I'd look for postings by GM, Weston, Fitzhugh, CB Fry and Jonah's financial perspective is usually interesting to read even if I don't always agree with it.

 

Still, pays your money and takes your choice.

 

Like the thinking about the inaccurate posting regarding Swansea - an individual present in the Boardroom before the blinds were closed perhaps ;)

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..... Interestingly in his latter times of posting his tone changed significantly and I think it was Trousers who pointed out that someone else was using the SB user id??

 

Aye, but was just a semi-educated hunch (before anyone gets the impression that I know anything about anything!) :)

 

 

For what it's worth, I also speculated some time back that there appeared more than one person using the SB user name. I don't remember who, but someone else replied that they too had had similar thoughts. Sundance's retort was "Priceless!" and other belittling comments. I can't refer to the actual posting because it was on the previous incarnation of this site.

 

Whatever the facts are, I can't say that I take much notice of his posts or indeed that of Numpteen Canteen if they are indeed one and the same!

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The trouble is, we're not hounding them aggressively enough.....

 

I completely agree with the initial post.....this is our club...the loyal, long serving fans....not these money grabbing b'stards.

 

I have never advocated illegal or violent acts on this messageboard. But I agree, they do now need to be hounded out.

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