Read this and have a laugh - Lowe and Wilde's 9 points - how have they done?

[Channon's Sideburns]

Over the past twentytwo months Southampton FC has suffered a decline of major proportions brought about, in part, by a failure to achieve promotion to the Premiership and the loss of vital parachute payments.

 

This has resulted in a catastrophic decline in income, the effects of which have been compounded by poor leadership and weak management over the entirety of this period with the result that the Club is now facing a relegation battle at the bottom of The Championship, the outcome of which is far from certain.

 

Shortsighted policies have replaced long term planning and it is now time to reintroduce commonsense, leadership and clarity to the decision making process if a crisis has any chance of being averted.

 

The need to do so is most dramatically demonstrated by the recent settlement with Arsenal FC, accepting £2.1million instead of a potential £5million outstanding from the sale of Theo Walcott in January 2006.

 

The Club has also, over this period:-

 

1. Failed to properly manage and support George Burley;

2. Allowed an unsustainable player wage bill to develop as evidenced by half year results which were released today;

3. Lost key staff from the Academy;

4. Sold key Academy players to cover structural financial deficits;

5. Dropped to the lowest League position for many years;

6. Seen supporter gates drop dramatically;

7. Cashed in future income streams from player sales i.e. Theo Walcott deal with Arsenal;

8. Failed to communicate with supporters;

9. Mismanaged the Dyer/Wright-Phillips situation;

 

After extensive consultation between Michael Wilde, Rupert Lowe and Andrew Cowen, who represent between them around 42% of the shareholders, it has been agreed that they should return to the Club to build on the foundations laid when the new stadium was financed and constructed and the Academy founded some ten years ago.

 

Under the present leadership, the Academy is no longer given the emphasis it deserves and has, during the recent past, lost key staff such as Georges Prost, Malcolm Elias and Rod Ruddick.

 

It is time for long term planning to replace short-termism, which, if left unchecked, will lead to financial disaster.

 

It is for note that a total of over £40 million worth of players have been sold from the Academy without which the Club would not currently be financially viable.

 

The new SLH Board will be Rupert Lowe (Chairman), Michael Wilde, Andrew Cowen and David Jones, with Michael Wilde returning as Chairman of the Football Club.

 

Rupert Lowe said: "I spent ten years securing the finance for the stadium and building it with the assistance of Andrew Cowen.

 

"It was delivered on time and on budget whilst the academy project was planned and executed to give the Club long term financial security.

 

"I have grown to love Southampton Football Club and stepped down in June 2006 because I believed it was in the best interests of the Club.

 

"A very unpleasant, unfair and dishonest smear campaign had divided the Club following relegation under Harry Redknapp's management.

 

Those who were at the centre of this campaign did so for their own selfish reasons and not in the Club's best interests.

 

"However, I bear no grudges, and although Michael and I have had disagreements in the past, we are now united in our wish to plan a long-term, honest and secure future for Southampton Football Club and the community it serves."

 

Michael Wilde said: "There is no doubt that the last two years have seen major upheaval within the Club brought about, in the main, by the realities of relegation.

 

"However, it is no longer appropriate for us to dwell on the past and we must unite to rescue the Club from further decline and to provide a strong basis for its resurrection.

 

"In the absence of major third party investment it has become incumbent on us as major shareholders and custodians of the Club, to take responsibility for current problems and to do everything in our power to stabilise and take forward this great Club.

 

"There is no doubt that I feel let down and disappointed by the performance of a number of people that I was instrumental in bringing into the Club some 18 months ago.

 

"I am prepared to take responsibility for this by working with both Rupert and Andrew to arrest the Club's current deterioration and to achieve what I have always sought - the long-term stability and security of the Club.

 

"This will involve many tough and, potentially, unpopular decisions over the coming months, but Rupert, Andrew and I have the resolve and commitment to do whatever is necessary to protect the longterm future of Southampton Football Club."

 

---

 

I LOVE POINTS 5 & 6 - HOW HAVE YOU DONE ON THOSE THEN BOYS???

 

BTW, STILL WAITING FOR THEM TO DISCLOSE THE 'MISMANAGEMENT OF GEORGE BURLEY'

[Thedelldays]

i thought burley was backed 100% considering the money he spent..

[alpine_saint]

1. Failed to properly manage and support George Burley;

How's it gone with Jan, Roopey ???

 

2. Allowed an unsustainable player wage bill to develop as evidenced by half year results which were released today;

Relatively speaking, when comparing income (ticket revenue) with wages, plus all the management f**k-ups, I doubt we are any better off

 

3. Lost key staff from the Academy;

Hockaday, anyone ???

 

4. Sold key Academy players to cover structural financial deficits;

Only 'cos they are all crap. You would have if you'd had the chance

 

5. Dropped to the lowest League position for many years;

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

6. Seen supporter gates drop dramatically;

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

7. Cashed in future income streams from player sales i.e. Theo Walcott deal with Arsenal;

Only because our players are so crap and you have no-one to pimp out

 

8. Failed to communicate with supporters;

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

9. Mismanaged the Dyer/Wright-Phillips situation;

Rudi Skacel, Jason Euell and Paul Wotton have been managed well, havent they ?

[alpine_saint]

Over the past twentytwo months Southampton FC has suffered a decline of major proportions brought about, in part, by a failure to achieve promotion to the Premiership and the loss of vital parachute payments.

 

This has resulted in a catastrophic decline in income, the effects of which have been compounded by poor leadership and weak management over the entirety of this period with the result that the Club is now facing a relegation battle at the bottom of The Championship, the outcome of which is far from certain.

 

 

 

 

"However, it is no longer appropriate for us to dwell on the past and we must unite to rescue the Club from further decline and to provide a strong basis for its resurrection.

 

 

LOLOLOLOL.

 

And watch Roopie avoid "dwelling on the past" when we go down...

[Channon's Sideburns]

Bet the Rupey Troops are waiting for their instructions on how to respond as we speak....

 

I predict 9.01am tomorrow morning...

 

I'm so glad my 1,000th post was that 'mini-manifesto'

[alpine_saint]

Bet the Rupey Troops are waiting for their instructions on how to respond as we speak....

 

I predict 9.01am tomorrow morning...

 

hehehehehe. Roopie has cut their overtime to reduce costs...

[Lets B Avenue]

Bet the Rupey Troops are waiting for their instructions on how to respond as we speak....

 

I predict 9.01am tomorrow morning...

 

Jonah was at work an hour earlier this morning according to the "Lowe's mistake thread."

[Glasgow_Saint]

1. Failed to properly manage and support George Burley;

 

I think Burley was supported and in turn he got us very, very close to the playoff final and left us with a decent squad and just two wins (5 points) of the playoffs again.

 

Its the period since he left that its all gone wrong - the appointment of Dudd and Gormless killed us last season.

 

Biggest crime is this season - appointing JP and wasting what little money we did/do have on awful signings and dreadful loans! Shame Lowe and Co cant be held accountable - as a fan im gutted as a shareholder I feel Lowe should be liable!

Edited 19 February, 2009 by Glasgow_Saint

[bridge too far]

Bet the Rupey Troops are waiting for their instructions on how to respond as we speak....

 

I predict 9.01am tomorrow morning...

 

I'm so glad my 1,000th post was that 'mini-manifesto'

 

Or maybe later tonight - once the cricket's finished

[70's Mike]

Or maybe later tonight - once the cricket's finished

 

no they normally come out when the rest of us have gone to bed, less chance of arguments that way

[St Marco]

1. Failed to properly manage and support George Burley;

 

I think Burley was supported and in turn he got us very, very close to the playoff final and left us with a decent squad and just two wins (5 points) of the playoffs again.

 

Its the period since he left that its all gone wrong - the appointment of Dudd and Gormless killed us last season.

 

Biggest crime is this season - appointing JP and wasting what little money we did/do have on awful signings and dreadful loans! Shame Lowe and Co cant be held accountable - as a fan im gutted as a shareholder I feel Lowe should be liable!

 

Thing is though Burley had a points per game of 1.28, the reality is that was actually only 0.05 better then what Pearson was doing, but Pearson didn't have £12m to do it. Burley should have done better with the resources he had. It will be a very very longtime if ever that this club will be able to back someone like that again. The Slide was there before Dodd and Gorman. Burley was brought to this club to get the team promoted, not languish around mid-table at 14th place. We had an average of 1 point per game with Burley so if we kept that up we would of been going down the table not up it. Dodd and Gorman then came in and went on a run of 4 loses and 1 draw. 5 results which as you say killed us.

But as a manager he did very poor last year, we were used to winning games and going up the table, Burley started the transition from doing that to being what we are now in my book.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Thing is though Burley had a points per game of 1.28, the reality is that was actually only 0.05 better then what Pearson was doing, but Pearson didn't have £12m to do it. Burley should have done better with the resources he had. It will be a very very longtime if ever that this club will be able to back someone like that again. The Slide was there before Dodd and Gorman. Burley was brought to this club to get the team promoted, not languish around mid-table at 14th place. We had an average of 1 point per game with Burley so if we kept that up we would of been going down the table not up it. Dodd and Gorman then came in and went on a run of 4 loses and 1 draw. 5 results which as you say killed us.

But as a manager he did very poor last year, we were used to winning games and going up the table, Burley started the transition from doing that to being what we are now in my book.

 

The ifs/whats and maybes regarding Burley can be debated all day - fact is he bought us very very close to promotion and left us 10th with a game in hand on many and just 5 points of 6th place. Since he left its been down, down and more down. 18 months on and we have not even been in arms lengh of 10th place!!

 

My point is that when Burley left we missed a chance to appoint a proven manager - someone who could have pushed us forward not backwards.

 

D&D were the cheap option and time and time again the cheap option doesnt work - why oh why our board insist on trying to buck that trend ill never know.

 

Look us us now - 2nd bottom and 5 points away from Watford (4th bottom) what a disgrace!

[SaintRobbie]

1. Failed to properly manage and support JP;

2. Deliberately sidelined key players who would have kept us up due to an 'unsustainable player wage bill' to develop but will ultimately cost the club more in the long term in League 1/2;

3. Will further lose key staff from the Academy due to relegation;

4. Will sell key Academy players to cover structural financial deficits upon relegation;

5. Dropped to the lowest League position for many (49) years;

6. Seen supporter gates drop more than dramatically;

7. Will cash in future income streams from player sales i.e. Rasiak, Skacel, John, Euell, Surman etc ;

8. Failed to communicate with supporters by hiding away during critical times;

9. Mismanaged the Dyer loan situation, which will result in his sale for peanuts;

 

AND...is likely to relegate the club, lead it into administration and probably further relegate it into League 2 after player sales in the summer.

 

FAILED ON ALL COUNTS. Crouch wasnt great but he makes Lowe and Wilde look like total amateurs.

[Channon's Sideburns]

1. Failed to properly manage and support JP;

2. Deliberately sidelined key players who would have kept us up due to an 'unsustainable player wage bill' to develop but will ultimately cost the club more in the long term in League 1/2;

3. Will further lose key staff from the Academy due to relegation;

4. Will sell key Academy players to cover structural financial deficits upon relegation;

5. Dropped to the lowest League position for many (49) years;

6. Seen supporter gates drop more than dramatically;

7. Will cash in future income streams from player sales i.e. Rasiak, Skacel, John, Euell, Surman etc ;

8. Failed to communicate with supporters by hiding away during critical times;

9. Mismanaged the Dyer loan situation, which will result in his sale for peanuts;

 

AND...is likely to relegate the club, lead it into administration and probably further relegate it into League 2 after player sales in the summer.

 

FAILED ON ALL COUNTS. Crouch wasnt great but he makes Lowe and Wilde look like total amateurs.

 

 

Looks like they're no longer the 'right individuals to implement a long-term strategy' does it?

[SaintRobbie]

Looks like they're no longer the 'right individuals to implement a long-term strategy' does it?

 

They were NEVER the right people to do it. We all knew it and many of us said it on here until our fingers bled typing it, and we got put on global ignore lists etc etc

 

Lowe was a disasterous reapointment. Wilde is a broken man. Long term strategy? What long term strategy?

[Channon's Sideburns]

One song sums up the 'golden couple' and their return...

 

PUBLIC ENEMY - DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE

[revolution saint]

To be honest I'm suprised anyone is debating this point anymore. It's blatantly obvious Lowe & Wilde have done a **** poor job, have pushed us closer to administration and division 3 than anyone in a long, long time. I defy anyone to come up with a decent argument why anyone.....that's anyone in the world could do a worse job.

 

I don't go to many games now, that's because as Rupert says, "This is a results based industry" but we started well and got worse. In fact we got a lot worse. For me actually it's about entertainment as well as results but after the first month or so we've got neither. I love this club but I'm not blind, why should I pay to watch it die? I only listen to games through habit these days.....thanks Rupert, thanks for doing such a great job in making the majority of the fans totally abject to it's plight.

[Toomer]

no they normally come out when the rest of us have gone to bed' date=' less chance of arguments that way[/quote']

 

You mean Sundance or Nineteen Canteen as he calls himself now.

[saintwarwick]

Thing is though Burley had a points per game of 1.28, the reality is that was actually only 0.05 better then what Pearson was doing, but Pearson didn't have £12m to do it. Burley should have done better with the resources he had. It will be a very very longtime if ever that this club will be able to back someone like that again. The Slide was there before Dodd and Gorman. Burley was brought to this club to get the team promoted, not languish around mid-table at 14th place. We had an average of 1 point per game with Burley so if we kept that up we would of been going down the table not up it. Dodd and Gorman then came in and went on a run of 4 loses and 1 draw. 5 results which as you say killed us.

But as a manager he did very poor last year, we were used to winning games and going up the table, Burley started the transition from doing that to being what we are now in my book.

 

Yes Burley underachieved last season but you've gone from 1.28 points per game to 1.0 point per game all in the same paragraph :confused: The fact we were nearer to a playoff place (7 points) than a relegation place (10 points) shows we were on the up not down. FYI we had 37 points from 28 games which is 1.32 points per game and not 1.28 as you quote so going by your logic of 1.0 per game that would mean a loss of almost 15 points over the course of a season

[bridge too far]

You mean Sundance or Nineteen Canteen as he calls himself now.

 

The cricket's almost over now

[Alain Perrin]

Get a room....

[um pahars]

I mentioned this in another post as the way it has panned out these two should be hanging their heads in shame

 

1. Failed to properly manage and support George Burley;

 

You've managed to lose one manager in two weeks and then another in six months!!!!!!!!

 

2. Allowed an unsustainable player wage bill to develop as evidenced by half year results which were released today;

 

About the only one they have delivered on, of course the other side is that by paying peanuts they've certainly delivered monkeys.

 

3. Lost key staff from the Academy;

 

And so far we've lost Pearson, Poortvliet, Hockaday, Webster (have I missed anyone out?).

 

4. Sold key Academy players to cover structural financial deficits;

 

I think if the price was right, we'd be knocking out players, that sais I don't really think we've got any left who would attract the buyers.

 

5. Dropped to the lowest League position for many years;

 

Probably regretting that one!!!!!

 

6. Seen supporter gates drop dramatically;

 

And regretting that one as well!!!!

 

7. Cashed in future income streams from player sales i.e. Theo Walcott deal with Arsenal;

 

And they have of course cashed in on the Bale future payments.

 

8. Failed to communicate with supporters;

 

PR is not really one of Lowe's strong points, so he really should have kept quiet on this one.

 

9. Mismanaged the Dyer/Wright-Phillips situation;

 

I never really go this one, but we've had our own McGoldrick and BWP little saga.

 

 

The problem with coming out with stuff like this is that it will probably come back and bite you on the ar5e, and in this instance it has smacked them straight in the chops.

[N/West Saint]

To be honest I'm suprised anyone is debating this point anymore. It's blatantly obvious Lowe & Wilde have done a **** poor job, have pushed us closer to administration and division 3 than anyone in a long, long time. I defy anyone to come up with a decent argument why anyone.....that's anyone in the world could do a worse job.

 

I don't go to many games now, that's because as Rupert says, "This is a results based industry" but we started well and got worse. In fact we got a lot worse. For me actually it's about entertainment as well as results but after the first month or so we've got neither. I love this club but I'm not blind, why should I pay to watch it die? I only listen to games through habit these days.....thanks Rupert, thanks for doing such a great job in making the majority of the fans totally abject to it's plight.

 

I will go along with that

[benjii]

Pair of ****s.

[St Marco]

Yes Burley underachieved last season but you've gone from 1.28 points per game to 1.0 point per game all in the same paragraph :confused: The fact we were nearer to a playoff place (7 points) than a relegation place (10 points) shows we were on the up not down. FYI we had 37 points from 28 games which is 1.32 points per game and not 1.28 as you quote so going by your logic of 1.0 per game that would mean a loss of almost 15 points over the course of a season

 

No SW what i mean is you don't get 1.28 points a game do you, you get either 0,1 or 3.

But i really can't be bothered to go through all this with you again.

 

But i will dis-prove this "we were on the up" comment once and for all, just so you can no longer use that as an excuse.

 

For a team to be "on the up" would imply going up the table correct?

 

These were our positions previous to Burley leaving

28th game = 13th

27th game = 13th

26th game = 14th

25th game = 13th

24th game = 13th

23rd game = 13th

22nd game = 11th

21st game = 11th

20th game = 12th

19th game = 13th

18th game = 15th

17th game = 12th

16th game = 15th

15th game = 12th

14th game = 12th

13th game = 10th

12th game = 12th

11th game = 10th

10th game = 13th

9th game = 17th

8th game = 15th

7th game = 20th

6th game = 18th

5th game = 19th

4th game = 12th

3rd game = 21st

2nd game = 23rd

1st game = 24th

 

So then looking at the results and our positions where is this bit "going up the table"?

 

We have gone up the table due to the fact we started last so yes your right. However if you take a closer look your see our average place is 13th, not once were we inside the top 6 but we were in the relegation zone twice. In his last 6 weeks Burley had us 13th for 5 of those weeks and 14th for the other week. Concluding once and for all that we were not only not going up the table we were going down the table due to being 10th on the 13th week. Thus proving that if Burley had finished the season our chances of getting to the playoffs were very low due to his average being 13 and the pattern does not show any evidence at all to show the numbers would change to support your theory. Meaning he was not going to get us to the playoff spots.

[eelpie]

Good post CS.

 

If they take us into administration they will have failed on all counts. With Pearson and Crouch we might well have gone into administration, but there is a good chance that even with 10 points deducted we still might have survived relegation. (Well I think so anyway).

[alpine_saint]

No SW what i mean is you don't get 1.28 points a game do you, you get either 0,1 or 3.

But i really can't be bothered to go through all this with you again.

 

But i will dis-prove this "we were on the up" comment once and for all, just so you can no longer use that as an excuse.

 

For a team to be "on the up" would imply going up the table correct?

 

These were our positions previous to Burley leaving

28th game = 13th

27th game = 13th

26th game = 14th

25th game = 13th

24th game = 13th

23rd game = 13th

22nd game = 11th

21st game = 11th

20th game = 12th

19th game = 13th

18th game = 15th

17th game = 12th

16th game = 15th

15th game = 12th

14th game = 12th

13th game = 10th

12th game = 12th

11th game = 10th

10th game = 13th

9th game = 17th

8th game = 15th

7th game = 20th

6th game = 18th

5th game = 19th

4th game = 12th

3rd game = 21st

2nd game = 23rd

1st game = 24th

 

So then looking at the results and our positions where is this bit "going up the table"?

 

We have gone up the table due to the fact we started last so yes your right. However if you take a closer look your see our average place is 13th, not once were we inside the top 6 but we were in the relegation zone twice. In his last 6 weeks Burley had us 13th for 5 of those weeks and 14th for the other week. Concluding once and for all that we were not only not going up the table we were going down the table due to being 10th on the 13th week. Thus proving that if Burley had finished the season our chances of getting to the playoffs were very low due to his average being 13 and the pattern does not show any evidence at all to show the numbers would change to support your theory. Meaning he was not going to get us to the playoff spots.

 

Thanks for taking the time to shatter this myth once-and-for-all.

 

I would just like to add a couple of snippets :

 

At the end of the previous season : 6th

When Burley left : 13th.

 

To me, that seems like downwards

 

In the playoff season, we didnt break into the automatic places once. Not for one round of games during the 46. And every time we threatened to, we lost the game. I stand by my theory that Burley was aiming for the last playoff place he predicted, and no better. I believe he took his foot off the gas everytime we threatened automatic promotion. Why, I dont suppose any of us will ever guess.

 

Maybe he knew deep-down he wouldnt hack it as a manager back in the PL ?? I wonder if he ever cared for our club as much as himself ?

[saintwarwick]

No SW what i mean is you don't get 1.28 points a game do you, you get either 0,1 or 3.

But i really can't be bothered to go through all this with you again.

 

But i will dis-prove this "we were on the up" comment once and for all, just so you can no longer use that as an excuse.

 

For a team to be "on the up" would imply going up the table correct?

 

These were our positions previous to Burley leaving

28th game = 13th

27th game = 13th

26th game = 14th

25th game = 13th

24th game = 13th

23rd game = 13th

22nd game = 11th

21st game = 11th

20th game = 12th

19th game = 13th

18th game = 15th

17th game = 12th

16th game = 15th

15th game = 12th

14th game = 12th

13th game = 10th

12th game = 12th

11th game = 10th

10th game = 13th

9th game = 17th

8th game = 15th

7th game = 20th

6th game = 18th

5th game = 19th

4th game = 12th

3rd game = 21st

2nd game = 23rd

1st game = 24th

 

So then looking at the results and our positions where is this bit "going up the table"?

 

We have gone up the table due to the fact we started last so yes your right. However if you take a closer look your see our average place is 13th, not once were we inside the top 6 but we were in the relegation zone twice. In his last 6 weeks Burley had us 13th for 5 of those weeks and 14th for the other week. Concluding once and for all that we were not only not going up the table we were going down the table due to being 10th on the 13th week. Thus proving that if Burley had finished the season our chances of getting to the playoffs were very low due to his average being 13 and the pattern does not show any evidence at all to show the numbers would change to support your theory. Meaning he was not going to get us to the playoff spots.

 

Brilliant, so your facts are not really facts but how you see things.

[Torres]

Thanks for taking the time to shatter this myth once-and-for-all.

 

I would just like to add a couple of snippets :

 

At the end of the previous season : 6th

When Burley left : 13th.

 

To me, that seems like downwards

 

In the playoff season, we didnt break into the automatic places once. Not for one round of games during the 46. And every time we threatened to, we lost the game. I stand by my theory that Burley was aiming for the last playoff place he predicted, and no better. I believe he took his foot off the gas everytime we threatened automatic promotion. Why, I dont suppose any of us will ever guess.

 

Maybe he knew deep-down he wouldnt hack it as a manager back in the PL ?? I wonder if he ever cared for our club as much as himself ?

 

I bet you're really glad that he left now, huh? I mean, we're doing so much better.

 

Oh, hang on...

[Cabrone]

Looking at that list you'd think that if Lowe had a shred of decency he'd do the honorable thing and resign.

 

Unfortunately he has no honor.

[Scudamore]

5. Dropped to the lowest League position for many years;

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

Yep. F::cking hilarious. We're going down.

[alpine_saint]

Yep. F::cking hilarious. We're going down.

 

Yep, knew the irony of the issue was too subtle for people of your level of intellect...

[hasper57saint]

As my Dear Old Mum would say. 'Well go to the bottom of our stairs!"

[Scudamore]

Yep, knew the irony of the issue was too subtle for people of your level of intellect...

 

It's got f::ck all to do with irony. Or my level of intellect. And it has everything to do with you taking pleasure out of Saints being in the sh:t because it proves you right.

 

And you're about as subtle as a brick alpine...always have been always will be...

[alpine_saint]

It's got f::ck all to do with irony. Or my level of intellect. And it has everything to do with you taking pleasure out of Saints being in the sh:t because it proves you right.

 

And you're about as subtle as a brick alpine...always have been always will be...

 

It has everything to do with your intellect.

 

You genuinely think I get a kick out of this whole situation.

 

That makes you rather dim...

[Channon's Sideburns]

It's got f::ck all to do with irony. Or my level of intellect. And it has everything to do with you taking pleasure out of Saints being in the sh:t because it proves you right.

 

And you're about as subtle as a brick alpine...always have been always will be...

 

Scudamore, I really don't think ANYONE is taking any pleasure out of our current plight.

 

What those 9 points prove are that Lowe and Wilde haven't ACTUALLY IMPROVED ANYTHING SINCE THEIR RETURN.

 

What was it that Rupey Baby likes to say??

 

IT'S A RESULTS LED BUSINESS

 

Well, he and Wilde have made it all worse...not to mention the share price...and they've managed to put in place a Coach with the diplomacy of Mugabe.

[Scudamore]

It has everything to do with your intellect.

 

You genuinely think I get a kick out of this whole situation.

 

That makes you rather dim...

 

Not really alpine. It either makes me right or wrong.

 

If i thought a cabbage was type of fish. That might be evidence of me being dim.

 

Needless to say i'm educated to degree level and quite obviously not thick...

 

But that takes us away from the real issues at hand...you rather c::ntishly finding it amusing that we find ourselves in the likely position of being relegated to League 1...

 

Writing LOLOLOLOL is about as ironic as having 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife. Ie. not very ironic at all...

[alpine_saint]

But that takes us away from the real issues at hand...you rather c::ntishly finding it amusing that we find ourselves in the likely position of being relegated to League 1...

 

 

No, I find it f**king hillarious watching Lowe being hoisted on his own petard. Hence my comments about you being unable to grasp the source of my "LOLOLOLOLOLOL"

 

LOLOLOLOLOL

 

(Btw, I am educated to Master's level in a proper subject, not Media Studies...)

[Scudamore]

Scudamore, I really don't think ANYONE is taking any pleasure out of our current plight.

 

What those 9 points prove are that Lowe and Wilde haven't ACTUALLY IMPROVED ANYTHING SINCE THEIR RETURN.

 

What was it that Rupey Baby likes to say??

 

IT'S A RESULTS LED BUSINESS

 

Well, he and Wilde have made it all worse...not to mention the share price...and they've managed to put in place a Coach with the diplomacy of Mugabe.

 

I appreciate the point of the thread Channon's Sideburns.

 

And i think it's safe to say things have indeed got worse since their return...

 

No arguments there...

[alpine_saint]

I appreciate the point of the thread Channon's Sideburns.

 

And i think it's safe to say things have indeed got worse since their return...

 

No arguments there...

 

So why are you trying to cause an argument, then ?

[Delmary]

Not really alpine. It either makes me right or wrong.

 

If i thought a cabbage was type of fish. That might be evidence of me being dim.

 

Needless to say i'm educated to degree level and quite obviously not thick...

 

But that takes us away from the real issues at hand...you rather c::ntishly finding it amusing that we find ourselves in the likely position of being relegated to League 1...

 

Writing LOLOLOLOL is about as ironic as having 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife. Ie. not very ironic at all...

Having a degree does not guarantee a broad intelligence.

[Channon's Sideburns]

I appreciate the point of the thread Channon's Sideburns.

 

And i think it's safe to say things have indeed got worse since their return...

 

No arguments there...

 

What I think has happened is that Lowe and Wilde made a HUGE rod for their own backs with that little diatribe...

 

Had they come back without the 9 points, then perhaps the only areas where they would be judged would be :

 

a) Team Performance;

b) Interim Financial Results;

c) Share Price.

 

Everything else would have paled into insignificance. The fact that THEY (and Wilde did put his thoughts into the release, not just Lowe) showed this initial arrogance...the 'oh we will do such a better job than Leon' bull...

 

Just shows how out of touch they both are.

 

One more thing.. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.

 

Forget what happened prior to 1997, post 1997, post 2003, and post 2005.

 

WHAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE MAY 2008 IS DOWNRIGHT WRONG.

[Scudamore]

No, I find it f**king hillarious watching Lowe being hoisted on his own petard. Hence my comments about you being unable to grasp the source of my "LOLOLOLOLOLOL"

 

LOLOLOLOLOL

 

(Btw, I am educated to Master's level in a proper subject, not Media Studies...)

 

Strange that someone that claims to be educated to Master's level doesn't know to apply a little balance in his posts. Take it you didn't apply the same approach to your essays. And as i've said...i have grasped the reasoning behind your LOL...LOL. I just don't believe what you say...

 

(Oh and as if anyone really gives a sh:t my degree is a BEng in Product Design. Not Media Studies)

[Scudamore]

Having a degree does not guarantee a broad intelligence.

 

Agreed. But having met some properly thick people in my life. And having gone to uni. I think it is safe to say that having a degree does qualify me as not being dim.

[St Marco]

Brilliant, so your facts are not really facts but how you see things.

 

Erm SW those figures show he was more likely to drop down into the lower part of the league then go into the higher part of the league. You base your whole argument around "going up the table" which simply is not true.

 

The whole points thing what i was trying to say is that Burley's points per game average was dropping not increasing, he was unlikely to remain near the 1.32 average he was on.. His last 7 games saw just 1 win. From those 7 games he got 7 points. 1 point per game. As i tried to point out his points per game for the whole season was 1.32 but that was decreasing not increasing as you try to suggest. In contrast our last 7 games at the end of the season we had 9 points. A 1.28 ratio, once again proving we were going up under Pearson and down under Burley. Those are facts not opinion.

[saintwarwick]

Erm SW those figures show he was more likely to drop down into the lower part of the league then go into the higher part of the league. You base your whole argument around "going up the table" which simply is not true.

 

The whole points thing what i was trying to say is that Burley's points per game average was dropping not increasing, he was unlikely to remain near the 1.32 average he was on.. His last 7 games saw just 1 win. From those 7 games he got 7 points. 1 point per game. As i tried to point out his points per game for the whole season was 1.32 but that was decreasing not increasing as you try to suggest. In contrast our last 7 games at the end of the season we had 9 points. A 1.28 ratio, once again proving we were going up under Pearson and down under Burley. Those are facts not opinion.

 

In case you missed it we started the season in 24th position, when Burley left we were in 13th position and we fluctuated between 10th and 13th position over those seven games, hardly taking us down form was it As for the seven game ratio, during our playoff season we had a period when we accumalated only six points (W2, D0, L5) over a seven game period which meant Burley's points per game average was dropping not increasing, we eventually clmbed the table to reach the playoff place. Equally Pearson had a period where he only accumalated six points from seven games (W1, D3, L3). You see you can pick form from anyone's career to suit your argument. The points per game ratio is based on a persons career and not on a selective group of games.

[Glasgow_Saint]

With the benefit of time it's now clear that i was wrong and that not "anyone could do better" I am sorry and except I am/was wrong.

 

Finally!

[Micky]

For the record I have my 11 plus and 3 GCSE's at grade D - F, is that any good...?

[Scudamore]

For the record I have my 11 plus and 3 GCSE's at grade D - F, is that any good...?

 

What were the GCSEs?

[Micky]

What were the GCSEs?

 

Inglish Litrachure, grammer & rat.