Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4214327.Saints__Wright_Phillips_should_learn_from_Liverpool_ace_Torres/ First we were told Lee Holmes could be the next Arjen Robben. Now there are "similarities" between BWP and Torres! Who else can we compare to a current world great? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 First we were told Lee Holmes could be the next Arjen Robben. Now there are "similarities" between BWP and Torres! Similar earlobes I assume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 He isn't comparing him to Torres. He's saying 'take a page out of his book' and learn from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 spanner just read.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 The snidey comments on the Echo forum really are pathetic. I'm sure we'll see similar on here before too long. But before anyone gets all excited, read the article. MW is not comparing BWP to Torres, all he is saying is "great strikers do this, that's what my striker needs to do" MW in a press conference he has to do each weekend made a few encouraging comments about a striker who probably is low on, but could thrive on, confidence. Why that deserves a slaughtering from the usual suspects I don't know. This is not "PR" or "taking the fans for mugs" and all the rest of the garbage that gets churned out whenever anyone from the club says anything. Just a couple of quotes that might just give one of our strikers a bit of confidence before an important game. Before you slate Wotte for doing such an appalling thing (how could he) just ask yourself precisely what you want the manager to say in a pre match press call he is contractually obliged to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 I've heard Torres asks for videos of all our games so he can learn from Bradley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 all he is saying is "great strikers do this, that's what my striker needs to do" What's that then? scoring goals, yep Torres does that,not so sure about BWP though. Torres does goals like BWP does handbags in Portsmouth clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 The snidey comments on the Echo forum really are pathetic. I'm sure we'll see similar on here before too long. But before anyone gets all excited, read the article. MW is not comparing BWP to Torres, all he is saying is "great strikers do this, that's what my striker needs to do" MW in a press conference he has to do each weekend made a few encouraging comments about a striker who probably is low on, but could thrive on, confidence. Why that deserves a slaughtering from the usual suspects I don't know. This is not "PR" or "taking the fans for mugs" and all the rest of the garbage that gets churned out whenever anyone from the club says anything. Just a couple of quotes that might just give one of our strikers a bit of confidence before an important game. Before you slate Wotte for doing such an appalling thing (how could he) just ask yourself precisely what you want the manager to say in a pre match press call he is contractually obliged to do? If I could issue a "reverse infraction" for excellent posting, this would have got one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 The only trouble he is likely to cause to defences is by reoffending before his case comes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 I hope BWP plays tomorrow and scores. Simple. He strikes me as being a natural talent, led astray with a lack of concentration...but how the hell can we sort that out??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 What's that then? scoring goals, yep Torres does that,not so sure about BWP though. Torres does goals like BWP does handbags in Portsmouth clubs. Unwise, unfair, not even clever, smart ass comment, the man was acquitted with no evidence offered by the prosecution. One of these days a comment like this will deservedly end up in court costing somebody a lot of grief and money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 Unwise, unfair, not even clever, smart ass comment, the man was acquitted with no evidence offered by the prosecution. One of these days a comment like this will deservedly end up in court costing somebody a lot of grief and money. Mainly me as a fecking taxpayer, thanks!!! Although valid point well made... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 He does say "We are obviously talking about a world class striker, but there are similarities" So he is comparing the two just not in a "BWP is as good as Torres way" that it sounds. I can understand what the guy is saying but BWP is what 24/25 now? Has 5 seasons or so left in him, he has never really forced his way into any side, never really found his level. I think if we go down then next season i would expect him and DMG to be our strikers. That is if we renew his contract of course. The guy never really put his head down and got on with it, never really showed much ambition to succeed. Over the past few seasons BWP has taken a lot of flack but one thing i think annoys people is that as much as you think people will learn from their mistakes BWP doesn't seem to. Like being offside. This is a critical flaw in BWP game, as a striker you need to have the judgement of looking and then going, sort of like crossing the road. He just hasen't been able to get that down. Its a shame really as his dad and brother were/are model proffesionals. Just have that desire to try and make something for themselves. Maybe he should be looking to them for inspiration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 He does say "We are obviously talking about a world class striker, but there are similarities" So he is comparing the two just not in a "BWP is as good as Torres way" that it sounds. I can understand what the guy is saying but BWP is what 24/25 now? Has 5 seasons or so left in him, he has never really forced his way into any side, never really found his level. I think if we go down then next season i would expect him and DMG to be our strikers. That is if we renew his contract of course. The guy never really put his head down and got on with it, never really showed much ambition to succeed. Over the past few seasons BWP has taken a lot of flack but one thing i think annoys people is that as much as you think people will learn from their mistakes BWP doesn't seem to. Like being offside. This is a critical flaw in BWP game, as a striker you need to have the judgement of looking and then going, sort of like crossing the road. He just hasen't been able to get that down. Its a shame really as his dad and brother were/are model proffesionals. Just have that desire to try and make something for themselves. Maybe he should be looking to them for inspiration? Torres has scored more goals than BWP has played games; At 24 BWP has played a total of 140 games for 23 goals, Torres has played nigh on 400 games and has scored 160 goals all competitions included. Torres is an aggressive lad well over 6 ft tall and takes the rough with the smooth, plus he can dish it out and his physical strength is part of his make up.Whilst I understand that Wotte is not in any way comparing BWP to Torres he lacks many of Torres attributes which make him what he is. If BWP had them he might score many more goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 Torres has scored more goals than BWP has played games; At 24 BWP has played a total of 140 games for 23 goals, Torres has played nigh on 400 games and has scored 160 goals all competitions included. Torres is an aggressive lad well over 6 ft tall and takes the rough with the smooth, plus he can dish it out and his physical strength is part of his make up.Whilst I understand that Wotte is not in any way comparing BWP to Torres he lacks many of Torres attributes which make him what he is.If BWP had them he might score many more goals. one of those attributes is composure in front of goal - and the point of Wotte's comment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 one of those attributes is composure in front of goal - and the point of Wotte's comment! I understand that perfectly, but you sure can have a lot more composure when you're 6ft 2 and solid as a brick sh*it house (without being overweight) and you don't get knocked off the ball like a speck of dust. In passing happy birthday to Torres, 25 today, but I guess he doesn't look in here all that often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 I understand that perfectly, but you sure can have a lot more composure when you're 6ft 2 and solid as a brick sh*it house (without being overweight) and you don't get knocked off the ball like a speck of dust. In passing happy birthday to Torres, 25 today, but I guess he doesn't look in here all that often. I bet he does...and wishes he could play under our revolutionary coaching structure - I know this......why???? Chris Iwelumo told me. Nah na na na Nahhhhhhh!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccerMom Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 I hope BWP plays tomorrow and scores. Simple. He strikes me as being a natural talent, led astray with a lack of concentration...but how the hell can we sort that out??? Ritalin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 I understand that perfectly, but you sure can have a lot more composure when you're 6ft 2 and solid as a brick sh*it house (without being overweight) and you don't get knocked off the ball like a speck of dust. Yeah, BWP will never have composure in front of goal because he's not built like those notorious brick sh it-houses Michael Owen, Gary Lineker, Steve Moran, Marians Pahars and Kevin Phillips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 Yeah, BWP will never have composure in front of goal because he's not built like those notorious brick sh it-houses Michael Owen, Gary Lineker, Steve Moran, Marians Pahars and Kevin Phillips. But BWP is really very lightweight. I think he weighs about 55 kgs or something like that. Steve Moran wasn't that big but he was far more solid than BWP. Even Pahars weighed in at 67/68 kgs. Makes a huge amount of difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 Yeah, BWP will never have composure in front of goal because he's not built like those notorious brick sh it-houses Michael Owen, Gary Lineker, Steve Moran, Marians Pahars and Kevin Phillips. In my eyes Steve Moran p1sses all over Owen - seriously...if you put them in the same game 'in their prime'. Owen had one good World Cup and has not done much since...overrated. Gets England caps on history a la John Barnes when players like Crouchie get overlooked. Steve Moran (back injury aside) had the talent to be sooooo good. TBF I think that there weren't many that could knock Moran over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 In my eyes Steve Moran p1sses all over Owen - seriously...if you put them in the same game 'in their prime'. Owen had one good World Cup and has not done much since...overrated. Gets England caps on history a la John Barnes when players like Crouchie get overlooked. Steve Moran (back injury aside) had the talent to be sooooo good. TBF I think that there weren't many that could knock Moran over. Steve was fast,very fast, sprung a lot of offside traps. Also put it about if necessary. Fast, great composure, great midfield behind him,everything you needed really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 20 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 March, 2009 spanner just read.. It's MW who says there are "similarities". I suggest you read more carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 But BWP is really very lightweight. I think or something like thahe weighs about 55 kgs t. Steve Moran wasn't that big but he was far more solid than BWP. Even Pahars weighed in at 67/68 kgs. Makes a huge amount of difference. BWP 8 1/2 stone Pahars 10st 10lbs ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 It's MW who says there are "similarities". I suggest you read more carefully. similarities does not mean as good hth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 In my eyes Steve Moran p1sses all over Owen - seriously...if you put them in the same game 'in their prime'. Owen had one good World Cup and has not done much since...overrated. Gets England caps on history a la John Barnes when players like Crouchie get overlooked. Steve Moran (back injury aside) had the talent to be sooooo good. TBF I think that there weren't many that could knock Moran over. No he doesn't. Michael Owen has scored 40 goals for his country in a ratio of about a goal every other game. Moran in contrast bummed about for the majority of his career and faded very very quickly. Its not all about talent - its about application. And anyway, stop going on about "not being knocked over". Composure in front of goal is a different attribute to being strong. Lineker and Owen and co scored loads and loads and loads of goals not by being "a brick shi t house" or "not being knocked over" but by getting into space, timing runs and being composed in front of goal. Of all the attribues Composure is probably the most important one. Torres has it and it has jack sh it to do with being a "brick shi t house". BWP needs composure, he doesn't need to put on six stone like you seem to think he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 No he doesn't. Michael Owen has scored 40 goals for his country in a ratio of about a goal every other game. Moran in contrast bummed about for the majority of his career and faded very very quickly. Its not all about talent - its about application. And anyway, stop going on about "not being knocked over". Composure in front of goal is a different attribute to being strong. Lineker and Owen and co scored loads and loads and loads of goals not by being "a brick shi t house" or "not being knocked over" but by getting into space, timing runs and being composed in front of goal. Of all the attribues Composure is probably the most important one. Torres has it and it has jack sh it to do with being a "brick shi t house". BWP needs composure, he doesn't need to put on six stone like you seem to think he does. What was it Tarby used to say on Winner Takes All??? 'Difference of Opinion'... Moran HAD the talent comparable to Owen. He was ruined by his back injury, that was why he 'bummed' around in the lower leagues. Owen still has the talent, he is just another example of the 'modern footballer' - knowing he gets paid shedloads each week for little effort, and doesn't apply himself fully.. Moran was a fantastic finisher...and had more to his game than Owen. And I never said it was anything about being a brickhouse - just that he was a 'sturdy' player who didn't fall over as soon as someone tapped him...(but again, that's modern football for you). It narks me when the pundits go on about how great Owen is - put him alongside Torres, Drogba or McGoldrick and he looks distinctly average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 20 March, 2009 Share Posted 20 March, 2009 Unwise, unfair, not even clever, smart ass comment, the man was acquitted with no evidence offered by the prosecution. One of these days a comment like this will deservedly end up in court costing somebody a lot of grief and money. You should post that on a QPR forum! lol!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 20 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 March, 2009 similarities does not mean as good hth Er, not suggesting as good. Just think it was an 'interesting' comparison! Hth too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 21 March, 2009 Share Posted 21 March, 2009 Our defence has been compared to a sieve by some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowsaintsfan Posted 21 March, 2009 Share Posted 21 March, 2009 I've heard Torres asks for videos of all our games so he can learn from Bradley. He could do with learning to be offside a bit more often, will give premiership defences a bit more of a chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yate Saint Posted 21 March, 2009 Share Posted 21 March, 2009 Wonder if he will get a new contract in the summer after that big up from Wotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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