Smirking_Saint Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Tell you what.... F**k it, i have managed at tyro level and i have had enough, personally i agree i have championed wotte's record so far but watching today was ********. I agree with alpine, i agree with those that call against Wotte on todays game, i apologize because normally i would say, let him have time etc etc. Today was different and i invite anyone that disagrees for the next txt to argue and i would post my response (i can agree i am wrong if proved wrong, this is just my opinion) I have coached for 6 years and managed for 2, i understand how different the levels are but you understand the basics. OK Those that argue against SAGA and Euell ?? HOW ?? The lack of service was obvious ? Euell tried his best with what he had (although agreed he missed some sitters agreed!!!) The midfield was set up all wrong, DMG played his heart out with what he could, great goal (though made by euell that dragged CB out of position) and he hounded and played as well of euell as he could. Wotton is S**t but we knew this before, he is slow, can't pass and the tackles he makes are slow and cost free kicks. Lallana and surman, we all know this, Surman is out of form and i think are suffering from emotion. (Although lallana i think has fantastic technique but tactically unaware) The midfield lacked bite, even with wotton !!!! Thompson, ok, i understand, he was bad, but guys, he is NOT a right back !! He looked lost, i felt very very sorry for him, and i would like to know opinions on what i am about to say. It was NOT his fault, he was placed at right back and i think Wotte has damaged his confidence by playing him there. I know he can attack but going forward he looked worried, he never beat the left back (that was not primus BTW) Size played ok (he looks like a new svensson as in the fact he can play) he went forward with the ball and passed it well, perry also played ok, he read he game well and made key clearances, Charlton set up well however and played Kandol off of Thompson (who we all know is not a right back) and bullied perry. Seriously though i cannot believe that Wotte did not realise that jake was out of his depth before he did, i seriously feel sorry for the guy, i seriously worry for his confidence, i understand the fans issue but he was MADE to play there and we all know he is not a right back. But what really confused me was BWP on the LEFT and Ryan Smith on the RIGHT !!!! I think every tactically knowledged fan knew that we needed width, we screemed it, but playing a right sided player on the left and a CLEARLY only left sided player on the right!!! Seriously ?? Am i the only one that realises that R Smith is crap ?? and looks lost when he has to make a decision to use his right foot ? I apologise if i have said anything that is incorrect however i welcome any objection to my observations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Have to say though, jonjo shelvy was by far the MOTM, he had so much energy and desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Wooton in midfield I thought was very poor. The guy is so one dimensional and has no attributes I can think of. Woote says he is good in the dressing room, well leave him in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 you have obviously not seen to many home games because to days set up has been used all season and FAILED all season. we have not given our fullbacks any support all year and as for width we have only got any when we fall behind in games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Agree with all of your post except the last bit. Thought Smith and Philips made a big impact on the game, its just a shame that it took about 75 mins to see the obvious. Surman and Lallana were getting dragged into the middle to much, but that was mainly due to this stupid diamond formation. Width was used when Smith and Philips came on. 442 please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Bwp and smith made a big impact when they came on and should both start against watford . Wotton lallana and surman were dross and had no impact whatsoever. Spiderman should also start . We cant fook around now we have to play our most attacking team i still think we have a chance of pulling this off , so keep the faith! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Wotte's team has been getting progressively worse for the last 2-3 home games. I wasnt surprised to be honest. He'll be gone soon, and hopefully so will many of our kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 What part can I disagree with???? Thomson was completely out of his depth, the game just passed him by. The midfield formation was poor. No bite in the middle with Wotton and McGoldrick too far apart, with Wotton in particular too deep. No real width and when we changed it we played the wide men on the wrong flanks (plus Smith is very poor). Saga and Euell got very poor service. I agree the manager got quite a lot wrong today. As you can see I can't really disagree with much at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilza Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Should drop Surman, Lallana and Wotton for tuesday and play Smith, BWP and Spiderman! So glad to have Lloyd James back aswell, I think the last two games have shown, how well James has actually adapted this season. Oh yeah and Skacel was bloody awful too. Waste of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 WTF is Tyro level?!??! Are you some sort of semi-pro manager or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Should drop Surman, Lallana and Wotton for tuesday and play Smith, BWP and Spiderman! So glad to have Lloyd James back aswell, I think the last two games have shown, how well James has actually adapted this season. Oh yeah and Skacel was bloody awful too. Waste of space. Just for one game can we please put Surman back at LB, Skacel and LM... Then.... Liptak, Saiejs and Perry as 3 Centre Backs, with James pushing up as RB. BWP on RM....oh fook it here's my preferred formation... Davis - GK Saiejs Perry Liptak James BWP Wotton Euell Skacel McGoldrick Saga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 WTF is Tyro level?!??! Are you some sort of semi-pro manager or something? Local Junior League where we pick up our first team.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Local Junior League where we pick up our first team.... kids? Under 11s etc? The guy started a post with "I'm experienced at managings kids' football teams"!?!?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 kids? Under 11s etc? The guy started a post with "I'm experienced at managings kids' football teams"!?!?!?!? TBF if Rupert was still around he would have employed many from the Tyro League... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 kids? Under 11s etc? The guy started a post with "I'm experienced at managings kids' football teams"!?!?!?!? and that stops him having an opinion , which happens to be correct about are shape yersterday ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 we have carefully assembled a very poor team who are played out of position and as a result can have no complaints if we go down. I would love to point at referees and misfortune but we are not good enough. Let's save the club, this current team is beyond help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 I'm trying to work out why your opinion of the match needed a separate thread to everyone else's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommi Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 I'm trying to work out if you watched the same game as me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Need some big changes for Watford i'd play Davis James Size Perry Skacel Thomson Wotton Schneiderlin Holmes Euell McGoldrick Subs: Forecast, Liptak, Surman, Lallana and Paterson. Maybe a bit harsh on Saga but he really hasn't looked like scoring recently and could be a decent option from the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Let's save the club, this current team is beyond help. Exactly what I was thinking when I walked home last night. I just can't see how we can stay up and although I'll get behind the team until it comes to a head one way or the other, i do think the current set up is beyond redemption. The focus has to be ensuring the Club still exists, even if that means playing in League One next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Am afraid my verdict is pretty damning too: http://www.southampton-mad.co.uk/news/loadnews.asp?cid=TMNW&id=441324 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Personally I think the midfield was sat too deep - Wotton was virtually a third centre back - which in turn pulled DMG back - this left the two front men on there own. All that was needed was for someone (I tried!) to tell Wotton to push up 5-10 yards. Why we didn't stat with Schnederlin playing the holding role is beyond me. Marks for the Manager yesterday - 5 out of 10 at a push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Personally I think the midfield was sat too deep - Wotton was virtually a third centre back - which in turn pulled DMG back - this left the two front men on there own. All that was needed was for someone (I tried!) to tell Wotton to push up 5-10 yards. Why we didn't stat with Schnederlin playing the holding role is beyond me. Marks for the Manager yesterday - 5 out of 10 at a push. I think you're right... but I feel reluctant to give them the credit for such organisation in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 think you can anayse as much as you want, sometimes , at all levels of football, you have to acknowledge you hust are not good enough. we all think are own side are world beaters but in the cold light of day we are where we are because the 11 guys we put on to the pitch all season have not been as good as the opposition on far to many occassions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 April, 2009 kids? Under 11s etc? The guy started a post with "I'm experienced at managings kids' football teams"!?!?!?!? For one the point i was trying to make is that i am not an experiance manager and if i could notice all the obvious faults with the team along with about 27k then how the hell did Wotte manage to miss it ??? I am worried about poor thompson because he is young and all that wotte managed to do today was to get the fans on his back and so possibly damage his confidence. The diamond formation can work but the team has to be a lot more dynamic and if we are just punting the ball up the field then you need somebody to play off the front man, and completely agreed the midfield was too far back. Plus wotton did pretty much play as a 3rd center back but managed to provide nothing for the team (as usual) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Am i the only one that realises that R Smith is crap ?? and looks lost when he has to make a decision to use his right foot ? I apologise if i have said anything that is incorrect however i welcome any objection to my observations. Sorry but what a load of rubbish. Ryan Smith was our most effective player for the short time he was on yesterday. People give him far too much stick without allowing him to have a proper run in the side. He was also our best player against Man Utd in the cup game. People should try and lay off Smith and focus their criticism on the likes of Lallana who despite having featured for most of the season has been awful for the past 3 months or so. He has no positional sense, jumps out of tackles and gives the ball away far to easily. I won't lose any sleep when he leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 WTF is Tyro level?!??! Are you some sort of semi-pro manager or something? Its a couple of steps up from Dutch semi-pro leagues Serious pooint though, people talk about the lack of width, but how can we have width when the pitch has been made so narrow. I was shocked how far the touchlines have been moved in, thought perhaps it was only one side, but having been both sides of the ground now we must have narrowed the pitch by about 4 or 5 yards in total. No wonder our MF were getting in each others way yesterday, there is no room to play. If Holmes is available against Palace then having such a narrow pitch would be a hindrance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Wotton was way too deep and I'm surprised Perry din't push him on a bit. The fact he didn't suggests to me that Wotton was told to play that deep. Perry, Kelvin and Saiejs, are expeirenced players they would have pushed him on, and surely at half time the Manager would have told him. However he stayed as deep second half, so that must be down to Manager. If you want to see what playing youngsters too much and too early, look at lallana and Thomson. I just hope these guys are not ruined for good by this crazy policy this year. Surman is too one paced for me, have never rated him that highly and our situation seems to be getting to him. I thought Euall and saga worked hard, but were given nothing to work with.I even found myslef thinking Jermaine Wright would have done better than Wotton in CM, and better at RB than Thomson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 I honestly don't know what you all expected.The PLC that owns the club went into Administration on Thursday. How would you all feel if your company went into Admin and it was being spread about that if nobody stepped in to buy the company it would be finished within weeks? No ex Woolworth's people here? or anyone else that's gone into terminal administration? I imagine it's a pretty rotten feeling, knowing that you're going down yet having to put a Smiley face on it. Morosity is bound to abound. Also I haven't time to look this up, got to get off to work soon, but isn't our record of games that immediately follow international breaks pretty dire??I have a feeling that it is but couldn't say for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Sorry but what a load of rubbish. Ryan Smith was our most effective player for the short time he was on yesterday. People give him far too much stick without allowing him to have a proper run in the side. He was also our best player against Man Utd in the cup game. People should try and lay off Smith and focus their criticism on the likes of Lallana who despite having featured for most of the season has been awful for the past 3 months or so. He has no positional sense, jumps out of tackles and gives the ball away far to easily. I won't lose any sleep when he leaves. Well, i for one do not rate him but we are all entitled to our opinions. He would have been more effective if he played on the left though, so he could actually go round the full back instead of trying to figure out how best he could avoid using his right foot. In my opinion the player himself did not changed the game but the fact that it stretched the midfield a bit and allowed more room, he hugged the touchline and provided an outlet which was what we needed from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Wotte messed up big time. The right side was only ever going to work if we retained the lion's share of possession and dictated the game. That was never going to happen with the two "wide" players spending most of their time in and around the centre circle and the team set-up to hit Euell at evrry opportunity. He should have admitted he'd messed up at half-time, taken solace from the fact we weren't behind and re-jigged things then. Lallana was truly awful and should have been taken off without a doubt. Thomson was too scared of making a mistake to go forward. We offered absolutely NOTHING down the right all match. We should have grasped the nettle and gone for an attacking system with real width. If we get crosses into the box from decent wide positions we will score goals with Saga, Euell and McG in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Wotte's team has been getting progressively worse for the last 2-3 home games. I wasnt surprised to be honest. He'll be gone soon, and hopefully so will many of our kids. I don't disagree with your sentiments about getting rid, but WHO exactly are we going to have playing in the red and white next year? How many more "clean slates" can we actually afford? We may not be able to make any transfers at all in the summer depending on what happens between now and then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Bizzle Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Tell you what.... F**k it, i have managed at tyro level and i have had enough, personally i agree i have championed wotte's record so far but watching today was ********. I agree with alpine, i agree with those that call against Wotte on todays game, i apologize because normally i would say, let him have time etc etc. Today was different and i invite anyone that disagrees for the next txt to argue and i would post my response (i can agree i am wrong if proved wrong, this is just my opinion) I have coached for 6 years and managed for 2, i understand how different the levels are but you understand the basics. OK Those that argue against SAGA and Euell ?? HOW ?? The lack of service was obvious ? Euell tried his best with what he had (although agreed he missed some sitters agreed!!!) The midfield was set up all wrong, DMG played his heart out with what he could, great goal (though made by euell that dragged CB out of position) and he hounded and played as well of euell as he could. Wotton is S**t but we knew this before, he is slow, can't pass and the tackles he makes are slow and cost free kicks. Lallana and surman, we all know this, Surman is out of form and i think are suffering from emotion. (Although lallana i think has fantastic technique but tactically unaware) The midfield lacked bite, even with wotton !!!! Thompson, ok, i understand, he was bad, but guys, he is NOT a right back !! He looked lost, i felt very very sorry for him, and i would like to know opinions on what i am about to say. It was NOT his fault, he was placed at right back and i think Wotte has damaged his confidence by playing him there. I know he can attack but going forward he looked worried, he never beat the left back (that was not primus BTW) Size played ok (he looks like a new svensson as in the fact he can play) he went forward with the ball and passed it well, perry also played ok, he read he game well and made key clearances, Charlton set up well however and played Kandol off of Thompson (who we all know is not a right back) and bullied perry. Seriously though i cannot believe that Wotte did not realise that jake was out of his depth before he did, i seriously feel sorry for the guy, i seriously worry for his confidence, i understand the fans issue but he was MADE to play there and we all know he is not a right back. But what really confused me was BWP on the LEFT and Ryan Smith on the RIGHT !!!! I think every tactically knowledged fan knew that we needed width, we screemed it, but playing a right sided player on the left and a CLEARLY only left sided player on the right!!! Seriously ?? Am i the only one that realises that R Smith is crap ?? and looks lost when he has to make a decision to use his right foot ? I apologise if i have said anything that is incorrect however i welcome any objection to my observations. I think Wotte is tactically inept. so many times yesturday all the outfield players were on one side of the pitch. This would have been a perfect oppurtunity for the wide man (most of the time thompson) to push rigt up the pitch, and hug the touchline. doing this completely opens the pitch up and enables a quick switch of play and the chance to stretch the defence. However if this is to happend Schneiderlin must be on the pitch as he has the ability to pass a ball as well as anyone in the prem. When we ge the ball into the wide positions we also do not fill the box or oposition half well enough. the ball should be played in and both forwards making runs, the back post should be attacked by the oposing wide man. one CM should be attacking the ball from deeper and holding around the Penalty spot. whilst the other covers the edge of the area from 25-30 yards. The full back from the other flank should be pushed up ready to gather any ball that has been overhit/cleared to his side so he can put it back in quickly. This may sound like it will leave us shy at the back, but 3 players are left back and is similar to a corner set up but is during open play. When we have the ball at feet we also do not play in an attacking manor, look at the top teams and the ball is played from the full back to the CM back out wide to the wingers again and then the ball is put into the box. Obviously it wont always be that simple but that is what we should look to do. When defending we do not defend in box formation which is the most effective way of defending, players that are out wide should be left out there and the defenders and midfielders should form a box shape which should not be breached, unless you are playing the dutch team with crujf(spl) et al. The opponent who has the ball should always be pressured, so if the ball is swithed from one side to the other, which will always have to be throught the air. The full back/midfielder on that side of the pitch should press the ball and the players that were previously pressing on the otherside of the pitch are then brought back into the box shape. The idea of this tactic is to give the oponent little time as there will always be somone close to press them and to get to the goal they have to try and break this box down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 and that stops him having an opinion ' date=' which happens to be correct about are shape yersterday ?[/quote'] Did I say that? Calm down Rocky! My point is that I don't think any of us need to be 'qualified' to give our opinion by claiming managerial experience or even sooper fan season ticket holder status. Maybe it says something about the OP's perception of this forum if he feels the need to prevent himself from attacks about his opinion before he's even posted it? I'll listen to whatever from whoever, whether they've coached kiddies for yonks or not. I shall avoid the temptation to say this makes me a better fan than some though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 think you can anayse as much as you want, sometimes , at all levels of football, you have to acknowledge you hust are not good enough. we all think are own side are world beaters but in the cold light of day we are where we are because the 11 guys we put on to the pitch all season have not been as good as the opposition on far to many occassions This is just so true. Sometimes its necessary to state the obvious. The coaches, Wotte and Poortveit before him, did their best to get the best out of what the club could afford, and it wasn't good enough. From all we have heard in the last few days, it was not because Lowe was picking the team, or telling the coach who to pick, but simply because our best 11 was not as good as the other best 11s. IMHO Wotte has done as good a job as anyone could have done since he took over but ultimately the coach is not on the pitch and there is a limit to how far above their ability he can get his players to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 I thought Saga & Euell were dreadful today - both tried quite hard but they would still be trying to find the goal now. They both had service & chances but they were shocking. Euell never won a header all afternoon & neither barely managed a pass to our own side. Skacel was cr*p,tto, that uis why no-one will sign them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Did I say that? Calm down Rocky! My point is that I don't think any of us need to be 'qualified' to give our opinion by claiming managerial experience or even sooper fan season ticket holder status. Maybe it says something about the OP's perception of this forum if he feels the need to prevent himself from attacks about his opinion before he's even posted it? I'll listen to whatever from whoever, whether they've coached kiddies for yonks or not. I shall avoid the temptation to say this makes me a better fan than some though. I was not saying i was better then anybody ? Not saying i was more qualified or anything of the sort ?? My opinion is not better then anybody elses and i have never said this ?? Everyone is entitled to an opinion and i would listen to anybody. I didn't say it in order to be make it seem as though 'my opinion is better then yours' i have never been like that and never would, personally i believe people that are short sighted enough only to see their own opinion as right are t**ts (andy gray springs to mind) As i said before, it was just to say if i can notice the obvious why couldn't wotte ?? Do i need to prevent attacks ?? No, i don't think i do, if somebody really wants to attack something i have said they can ?? I have never felt on this forum that anybody dislikes my opinions ?? Other than that, i don't really understand your point. :smt017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Euell was shocking - he could not control the ball and never looked like getting an effort on goal - we only looked threatening when smith and BWP came on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 5 April, 2009 Share Posted 5 April, 2009 Need some big changes for Watford i'd play Davis James Size Perry Skacel Thomson Wotton Schneiderlin Holmes Euell McGoldrick Subs: Forecast, Liptak, Surman, Lallana and Paterson. Maybe a bit harsh on Saga but he really hasn't looked like scoring recently and could be a decent option from the bench. Suggest you add him as a sub then ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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