StuRomseySaint Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 Just a quick note to those who attend away games and not home and are harping on about how they should have priority for Forest tickets. Our losses this season and previous have been noted at around 500,000 a month. It is also common knowledge that we need to raise an extra 500k just to keep going into May.... this is obviously to make the 'break even' point. Now, the missing fans, about 8,000 of them. Giving them an average match-by-match value to the club of £25 (taking into account Megastore, Programmes, Food, Adult/Kids prices ), the income is £200000 a match, which works out at approximately £511,000 a month, taking into account all league matches throughout the season. The point being.... if the people that have not bothered to turn up at St Marys over the last year or two had, then we would not be in this situation. Like it or lump it, that's the truth, and that is the main reason why the club must do all it can to reward people for home attendance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Guido Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 I couldn't agree with you more, fellow Romsey-ite! The great "boycott Lowe" movement fundamentally backfired. Yes Lowe went but he went because of the administration & one of the key causes of this was the "lost" revenues at home games because of the boycott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 What about us super dooper super fans who go home and away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 16 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 April, 2009 What about us super dooper super fans who go home and away? They are soooper soooper duper fans. Their reward as Season Ticket Holders is being able to go to the Forest game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 They are soooper soooper duper fans. Their reward as Season Ticket Holders is being able to go to the Forest game. Fantastic news there, and I have my ticket purchased already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 Just a quick note to those who attend away games and not home and are harping on about how they should have priority for Forest tickets. Our losses this season and previous have been noted at around 500,000 a month. It is also common knowledge that we need to raise an extra 500k just to keep going into May.... this is obviously to make the 'break even' point. Now, the missing fans, about 8,000 of them. Giving them an average match-by-match value to the club of £25 (taking into account Megastore, Programmes, Food, Adult/Kids prices ), the income is £200000 a match, which works out at approximately £511,000 a month, taking into account all league matches throughout the season. The point being.... if the people that have not bothered to turn up at St Marys over the last year or two had, then we would not be in this situation. Like it or lump it, that's the truth, and that is the main reason why the club must do all it can to reward people for home attendance. How do you suggest convincing fans fed up with watching shiite that they should continue to fork out at least 25 quid, more like 50 quid, every 2 weeks ? If you go to a restaurant and there are c ockroaches all over your foie gras, do you go there again ? Many football fans are interested in being ENTERTAINED, not the diick-swinging contest about who is the greatest fan.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSaint75 Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 How do you suggest convincing fans fed up with watching shiite that they should continue to fork out at least 25 quid, more like 50 quid, every 2 weeks ? If you go to a restaurant and there are c ockroaches all over your foie gras, do you go there again ? Many football fans are interested in being ENTERTAINED, not the diick-swinging contest about who is the greatest fan.. Then why go to away games?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 Then why go to away games?? Fair enough, but I reckon the numbers involved are miniscule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 Fair enough, but I reckon the numbers involved are miniscule. exactly, most of the people i see at away games , i also see at SMS. These arguments always appear when tickets are rationed , used to happen at The Dell " only game i missed was when they handed out cup vouchers" people appeared like mad in 76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 How do you suggest convincing fans fed up with watching shiite that they should continue to fork out at least 25 quid, more like 50 quid, every 2 weeks ? If you go to a restaurant and there are c ockroaches all over your foie gras, do you go there again ? Many football fans are interested in being ENTERTAINED, not the diick-swinging contest about who is the greatest fan.. Good point. Because going for dinner at a restaurant and supporting a football club are basically the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 Good point. Because going for dinner at a restaurant and supporting a football club are basically the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 Good point. Because going for dinner at a restaurant and supporting a football club are basically the same thing. Very little difference, tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 Good point. Because going for dinner at a restaurant and supporting a football club are basically the same thing. Turn up excited and with great anticipation. Leave feeling sick and having wasted your money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 Sir Wupert ****ed off lots of people. However, it was the football that drove the fans away. 3-4 wins at home not exactly sparking entertainment. Just think how many fans Utd would have if they only own three games at home and got regualrly trashed on TV. Now we have the masochsits wanting to blame the fans for not turning up because they have failed the " I am a superior fan because I turn up no matter what" If we go to the wall because not enogh fans turned up then simply you should direct your abuse at the board who at the start of the season decided they would bring in JP & the total dutch football revolution. Let me think now wasnt it along the lines of "many clubs are envious of the exciting football our youngsters are playing" etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 Im remember everyone bayig for a new shiney stadium when we were at the dell for years. Build it and they will come they cried. Should have added to that as long as we are playing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 Good point. Because going for dinner at a restaurant and supporting a football club are basically the same thing. Both serve sh it beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 Turn up excited and with great anticipation. Leave feeling sick and having wasted your money. hehehehe. Football matches and restaurant visits are extremely similar, since they both represent expensive consumer choices on how to spend leisure time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 Just a quick note to those who attend away games and not home and are harping on about how they should have priority for Forest tickets. Our losses this season and previous have been noted at around 500,000 a month. It is also common knowledge that we need to raise an extra 500k just to keep going into May.... this is obviously to make the 'break even' point. Now, the missing fans, about 8,000 of them. Giving them an average match-by-match value to the club of £25 (taking into account Megastore, Programmes, Food, Adult/Kids prices ), the income is £200000 a match, which works out at approximately £511,000 a month, taking into account all league matches throughout the season. The point being.... if the people that have not bothered to turn up at St Marys over the last year or two had, then we would not be in this situation. Like it or lump it, that's the truth, and that is the main reason why the club must do all it can to reward people for home attendance. Don't see the relevance to away fans. When was the last time 8000 Saints fans went to an away game? The number who go to away games and have been boycotting home games because of Lowe must number in the tens, not thousands. The crowds have been down more because of **** football/results than because of Lowe, though that clearly did have an effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 ...Now, the missing fans, about 8,000 of them. Giving them an average match-by-match value to the club of £25 (taking into account Megastore, Programmes, Food, Adult/Kids prices ), the income is £200000 a match, which works out at approximately £511,000 a month, taking into account all league matches throughout the season. The point being.... if the people that have not bothered to turn up at St Marys over the last year or two had, then we would not be in this situation. Like it or lump it, that's the truth, and that is the main reason why the club must do all it can to reward people for home attendance. So...were the fans right to boycott or wrong to boycott? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 ??? we have been down the bottom half of the table scrapping for 2 seasons, we are in a lower division and the opposition is shiite. We are also in the middle of this crappy credit crunch, alot of people cannot afford it, many i can only assume are struggling to put food on the table. I agree Lowe and the bad management has not helped the situation but i don't think it is the only reason. Birmingham, Wolves etc have not got a ***t of a chairman to blame their less than maximum attendences on. And TBH i am not surprised if the great Lowe boycotte was not just an excuse for many anyways. The whole it's only the fans fault is utter ****e, look at the bigger pictures. Don't get me wrong i respect those that go home/away to every game and i wish i could to. We need to get over the my red and white d!ck is bigger than yours crap. *sigh But i do agree, those that have been loyal should get priority but it should be like this anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 So...were the fans right to boycott or wrong to boycott? Oh dear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 So...were the fans right to boycott or wrong to boycott? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
these things take time Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 So...were the fans right to boycott or wrong to boycott? I will boycot this forum if this doesn't end up in golden posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 So...were the fans right to boycott or wrong to boycott? Without wanting to stand up for Stu (he is big enough to do that for himself) you are being rather disingenuous there, dont you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 Don't see the relevance to away fans. When was the last time 8000 Saints fans went to an away game? The number who go to away games and have been boycotting home games because of Lowe must number in the tens, not thousands. The crowds have been down more because of **** football/results than because of Lowe, though that clearly did have an effect. I would defend the football we saw at the start of the season, those first half a dozen games we saw good entertaining attacking football. However football is a results game and when the results didn't come the youngsters performance dipped but not before the crowds did. Just 15k turned up to watch the Blackpool game, and this was after probably our best performance of the season against Birmingham in the cup. So people stopped coming way before the football got bad. Arguably they stopped coming before even the results got bad. It would be nice to try and argue that people were boycotting Lowe but that doesn't seem to be the case, he's gone and despite £15 tickets, kids for a quid and the desperate straights the club finds itself in we haven't sold out yet. We might get a full house for Burnley - but it looks like that will only happen if we beat Wednesday and are still in the hunt. It will be papering over the cracks at most. Aside from the core 15k who I applaud (I'm not one of them) we're **** fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 I would defend the football we saw at the start of the season, those first half a dozen games we saw good entertaining attacking football. However football is a results game and when the results didn't come the youngsters performance dipped but not before the crowds did. Just 15k turned up to watch the Blackpool game, and this was after probably our best performance of the season against Birmingham in the cup. So people stopped coming way before the football got bad. Arguably they stopped coming before even the results got bad. It would be nice to try and argue that people were boycotting Lowe but that doesn't seem to be the case, he's gone and despite £15 tickets, kids for a quid and the desperate straights the club finds itself in we haven't sold out yet. We might get a full house for Burnley - but it looks like that will only happen if we beat Wednesday and are still in the hunt. It will be papering over the cracks at most. Aside from the core 15k who I applaud (I'm not one of them) we're **** fans 15 lines to say "it's the fans's fault" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 15 lines to say "it's the fans's fault" Well unlike some people I like to actually give reasons for my conclusions Would you prefer it if I adopted the vernacular? iTS all LOWEs Fault!!!!!111!!!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes: and leave it at that. However personally I prefer reasoned arguments, and it's not the fans fault yet, but it will be if we go under for the wont of a few thousand bums on seats against Burnley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 So...were the fans right to boycott or wrong to boycott? "Let ye who is without sin, cast the first stone" ! (quote from somewhere in the bible) I'm sure that we have all contradicted ourselves big time in the past but poor old Stu has just been nobbled ! Not too worry, he seems to like a dust up so I don't think that it'll leave any psychological scars !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 I would defend the football we saw at the start of the season, those first half a dozen games we saw good entertaining attacking football. However football is a results game and when the results didn't come the youngsters performance dipped but not before the crowds did. Just 15k turned up to watch the Blackpool game, and this was after probably our best performance of the season against Birmingham in the cup. So people stopped coming way before the football got bad. Arguably they stopped coming before even the results got bad. It would be nice to try and argue that people were boycotting Lowe but that doesn't seem to be the case, he's gone and despite £15 tickets, kids for a quid and the desperate straights the club finds itself in we haven't sold out yet. We might get a full house for Burnley - but it looks like that will only happen if we beat Wednesday and are still in the hunt. It will be papering over the cracks at most. Aside from the core 15k who I applaud (I'm not one of them) we're **** fans Problem is the definition of good football is a personal thing and many were not fooled by the "flatter to decieve2 football or beating Birmingham in a meaningless cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 16 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 April, 2009 Damn, I did post on my phone at work but it doesn't seem to worked. Ahhh well, here we go... Firstly, I have known that Saints have been heading for administration and it was a matter of 'when' not 'if' . Infact refer to this post of mine... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=229830&postcount=11 Where I state how confidant I was about Saints going into administration before the end of the month ( ok, it was April 1st, what's a day between friends? ) SFC have not been paying creditors for a lot longer than the last few weeks, I know of one company that have been waiting for a relatively small sum all season ( the equivelent of a weeks wages for Kelvin Davis ) Now, lastly, I have never claimed to be an uberfan ( even if I know I am, deep inside :cool: ) What I am doing is stating FACTS, the FACTS are that if the missing 8,000 had been here the last 2 seasons then we wouldn't be in administration. We would be over our 'break-even' point. Take this as an example of why home fans should be rewarded and away fans should not. I am still undecided on whether I renew next season, if I don't, then you won't see me whinging about how I deserve a ticket to the last game of the season because I have been to 10 away games. Hope that clears everything up. xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 16 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 April, 2009 "Let ye who is without sin, cast the first stone" ! (quote from somewhere in the bible) I'm sure that we have all contradicted ourselves big time in the past but poor old Stu has just been nobbled ! Not too worry, he seems to like a dust up so I don't think that it'll leave any psychological scars !! I am not contradicting myself though am I sweetie, this thread is simply discussing one of the main reasons why we are in administration. Dress it up any way you like, if the missing 8,000 had been here this season and last then we wouldn't be in administration. That is a FACT you cannot deny, surely? I also am not knocking the stayaways, infact I have gone on record recently saying I can't be arsed next season! So..... where is the contradiction? More research needed next time honey. x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 Just a quick note to those who attend away games and not home and are harping on about how they should have priority for Forest tickets. Our losses this season and previous have been noted at around 500,000 a month. It is also common knowledge that we need to raise an extra 500k just to keep going into May.... this is obviously to make the 'break even' point. Now, the missing fans, about 8,000 of them. Giving them an average match-by-match value to the club of £25 (taking into account Megastore, Programmes, Food, Adult/Kids prices ), the income is £200000 a match, which works out at approximately £511,000 a month, taking into account all league matches throughout the season. The point being.... if the people that have not bothered to turn up at St Marys over the last year or two had, then we would not be in this situation. Like it or lump it, that's the truth, and that is the main reason why the club must do all it can to reward people for home attendance. Spot on, let those who continued to get their fix of Saints by filling the coffers of other clubs whilst deliberately avoiding SMS pay the price for their actions. Its about time a little mud stuck to them and whilst it's hardly justice given our predicament the hardcore of home support deserves to be recognised and rewarded and those with a local post code and solely an away match attendance should frankly be offered tickets only after they have been on general sale for a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 One of the main reasons I stopped going to SMS is because the stadium itself is sh!te. The atmosphere is as bad as, if not worse than, any I have experienced at any other kit-built stadium. Access is poor, it looks a dump, the beer queues are abysmal and as for the fans (MY fellow Saints fans and not all of them, but in general) are stuck up their own a*ses half the time - You meet another Saint in the street and you can chat for ages, meet them at SMS and they barely even make eye contact. The 'brinkmanship' from the fans in certain sections and lack of passion in the majority of the rest of the ground makes me sick when I think about my younger years going to the dell. The vibe at St.Mary's has been rubbish since before we we're relegated from the Prem. The 'yoof' are sickeningly allowed to intimidate (not like the old days, when it was men who you'd "respect" in case of a thick ear [or worse]). Also there's always the attitude that if we don't score in the first few minutes (and when did we ever do that?) that we are gonna lose. Sure I know we are a pessimistic bunch as a rule, but the stadium seems to heighten that in everyone. BTW - I include myself in all of this, I turn into a right turd too when I go to SMS. St.Marys? the f*cking problem all along, the financial side just adds to it. So, uberfans and rubbishfans (like me) - WE ARE ALL TO BLAME. The uberfans for helping make the £100 day out to St.Mary's such an arduous ordeal and the rubbishfans (like me) not having the stomach to justify the cost. The football? ha, to paraphrase Tina turner, whats football got to do with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 I am not contradicting myself though am I sweetie, this thread is simply discussing one of the main reasons why we are in administration. Dress it up any way you like, if the missing 8,000 had been here this season and last then we wouldn't be in administration. That is a FACT you cannot deny, surely? I also am not knocking the stayaways, infact I have gone on record recently saying I can't be arsed next season! So..... where is the contradiction? More research needed next time honey. x With the way that money has been wasted over the last few years you are making a very sure statement. How on earth do you know we wouldn't have been in a worse position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 16 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 April, 2009 With the way that money has been wasted over the last few years you are making a very sure statement. How on earth do you know we wouldn't have been in a worse position? Because Barclays shut up shop months ago, there was no more money to waste... unfortunately we were not breaking even which means we were no longer solvent. With an extra 500k a month we would have been able to pay creditors and staff etc, as well as other operational costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 16 April, 2009 Share Posted 16 April, 2009 And buy more rubbish at prices we can't afford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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