CLOTH EARS Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 How much would we need to spend? £5m? £10m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 teams have gone to the prem from the ccc on less than 5m how much did it cost to build burnleys squad..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 Burley proved you can take over a team in 13th, spend £10m over 2 years, then leave with the team in 12th. Burnley got promoted spending f**k all on a very tight-knit squad. Morale of the story - Money is almost completely insignificant when compared to appointing the right manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 A minimum of 11 good ones is essential IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 Burley proved you taken take over a team in 13th, spend £10m over 2 years, then leave with the team in 12th. Burnley got promoted spending f**k all on a very tight-knit squad. Morale of the story - Money is almost completely insignificant when compared to appointing the right manager. Not so Arizona, Paterson cost a fair bit (about 1.3 million in all) and I don't doubt that his contribution made Burnley what they are.Plus getting good Man U rejectrs like Eagles.A lot of goal scoring density no doubt helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 18.........sack this lot. IMHO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 (edited) Not so Arizona, Paterson cost a fair bit (about 1.3 million in all) and I don't doubt that his contribution made Burnley what they are.Plus getting good Man U rejectrs like Eagles.A lot of goal scoring density no doubt helped. Indeed, I'm fairly sure Burnley had some new investors joining their board about 18 months ago to increase the development of both the first team and in Turf Moor. Even so, I do see what Arizona is saying, Burley should have done better with the resources he had although the play-offs are very random. Some good frees available this summer - Danny Graham, Danny Webber (so not the end of the world if Forest buy McG) and the amount of available players will become a surplus as clubs trim their squad sizes which may push wages down outside of the PL and CCC parachute teams. Edited 7 June, 2009 by saint1977 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 Not so Arizona, Paterson cost a fair bit (about 1.3 million in all) and I don't doubt that his contribution made Burnley what they are.Plus getting good Man U rejectrs like Eagles.A lot of goal scoring density no doubt helped. I didn't mean litterally £0. But £1.3m really is nothing when you're talking about getting promotion to the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 I didn't mean litterally £0. But £1.3m really is nothing when you're talking about getting promotion to the Prem. thomas cost us judt under that:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 Alot is going to depend on how many players we have left. We have to assume that Saga/John/Rasiak/McG are going to go. If Euell / Bwp leave, we'll be left with just Patterson & White as strikers. Not too mention our midfield is probably going to lose Surman, Lallana & Schneiderlin too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 Alot is going to depend on how many players we have left. We have to assume that Saga/John/Rasiak/McG are going to go. If Euell / Bwp leave, we'll be left with just Patterson & White as strikers. Not too mention our midfield is probably going to lose Surman, Lallana & Schneiderlin too! What makes you say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 We need a manager first. Then £10m I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 thomas cost us judt under that:rolleyes: Sad but true, it seemed a lot at the time. That said, if Thomas is willing to do a deal on his wages and the new owners are willing to retain him, he would be a good asset at L1 level. Please spare us Lancashire at any odds, loan him to Nick Holmes for a season and see if he can make a player of him or perhaps Eastleigh. Gillett should do well at L1 level in CM and if you added Thomas and Perry with Davis behind them and then recruited Danny Graham on a free (would love to sign Webber but think a CCC club may nab him), that would be a quality spine of a team for L1. Need to add some pace to the side around that core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 11? any more would be picked up my FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 As much as the potential new owner (worth hundreds of millions according to Lynam) can afford to spend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 GK - Davis, Forecast, Bialkowski/Poke/New Keeper RB - James, New RB LB - Mills, New LB CB - Perry, Lancashire, Thomas, New CB (Saeijs?) CM - Schneiderlin, Wotton, Gillett RM - Thomson, Lallana LM - Holmes, Surman ST - New ST, McLaggon, Euell, BWP Get Rid: Rasiak, Saga, DMG, Pulis, Svensson (retire!) That ought to see us through, maybe get rid of a few more of the higher earners to bring in some good new players who CDAJFU in L1 and the CCC. We need a goalscorer, because Saga and Rasiak will almost certainly be off, as will DMG by the looks of things. New wing backs are also a priority, as i'd ideally like to see Lloyd James being played further up the field in a midfield role, and I don't think that Mills is ready to be a regular first teamer yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 What makes you say that? Perhaps he's been reading Le Parisien!! Their latest rumour said that Arsenal were going to sell him to Lille. They have the strangest idea that Arsenal paid Strasbourg for him and loaned him to us under some sort of strange deal for 2 or 3 years.Anyway Lille have recently sacked their manager and it's probably a load of bx.But this Arsenal paid for him thing keeps going around and around and popping up in strange places.I did hear (and it's only hearsay) that the French FA don't want him playing in Div 3 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 would much rather DMG over Euell or BWP - much better player and getting better the other two have peaked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 GK - Davis, Forecast, Bialkowski/Poke/New Keeper RB - James, New RB LB - Mills, New LB CB - Perry, Lancashire, Thomas, New CB (Saeijs?) CM - Schneiderlin, Wotton, Gillett RM - Thomson, Lallana LM - Holmes, Surman ST - New ST, McLaggon, Euell, BWP Get Rid: Rasiak, Saga, DMG, Pulis, Svensson (retire!) That ought to see us through, maybe get rid of a few more of the higher earners to bring in some good new players who CDAJFU in L1 and the CCC. We need a goalscorer, because Saga and Rasiak will almost certainly be off, as will DMG by the looks of things. New wing backs are also a priority, as i'd ideally like to see Lloyd James being played further up the field in a midfield role, and I don't think that Mills is ready to be a regular first teamer yet. Euell and BWP have left the club, probably won't be back,well we can live in hope anyway. On the other hand Saga and Rasiak are stil here with ongoing contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 Perhaps he's been reading Le Parisien!! Their latest rumour said that Arsenal were going to sell him to Lille. They have the strangest idea that Arsenal paid Strasbourg for him and loaned him to us under some sort of strange deal for 2 or 3 years.Anyway Lille have recently sacked their manager and it's probably a load of bx.But this Arsenal paid for him thing keeps going around and around and popping up in strange places.I did hear (and it's only hearsay) that the French FA don't want him playing in Div 3 though. the Arsenal thing is crap. A club can't secretly own a player, look at the mess with WHU with player who someone had a share in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 the Arsenal thing is crap. A club can't secretly own a player, look at the mess with WHU with player who someone had a share in. Who actually owns Tevez now anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 thomas cost us judt under that:rolleyes: I still don't understand that deal. Burnley couldn't believe it either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 Who actually owns Tevez now anyway? its a declared loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 if we move on some of the fringe/not even fringe players we may well be able to get some seasoned CCC players that can provide the balance we need. how much is Pulis taking per week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 £35,000 plus bonus for any reserve appearances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 would much rather DMG over Euell or BWP - much better player and getting better the other two have peaked! Agree. Euell is a donkey and BWP is just clueless. It astonishes me sometimes that people rate Euell, then slate Saga for not scoring. DMG is the only one of our current strikers I'd keep and he needs a couple of striker partners who are big and/or quick to make things work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 Indeed, I'm fairly sure Burnley had some new investors joining their board about 18 months ago to increase the development of both the first team and in Turf Moor. Even so, I do see what Arizona is saying, Burley should have done better with the resources he had although the play-offs are very random. Some good frees available this summer - Danny Graham, Danny Webber (so not the end of the world if Forest buy McG) and the amount of available players will become a surplus as clubs trim their squad sizes which may push wages down outside of the PL and CCC parachute teams. The backer has had money trouble because of the recession and one of his companies (MODUS) is either in administration or close to so they would have had to sell if they stayed in the CCC. Burnley have always had to sell to survive (e.g Lafferty to Rangers for £3m, and Thomas to us for a million!!!) as they don't have the gates to spend on wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 its a declared loan. But is he still owned by some strange third party or other. I think it's the case. It's a declared loan and he has a contract with M.U but I don't think they actually own him,neither do West Ham.Apparently these sort of wierd deals are more common than we would like to think.Not saying it has any bearing on the Schneiderlin case though, french papers are notorious for wrong end of the stick getting anyway but it's not got to Sun or Mirror proportions-yet. However if it starts appearing in L'Equipe it probably has some substance, L'Equipe knows stuff and doesn't get very much wrong, even though those concerned say they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 Who actually owns Tevez now anyway? MSI - Media Sports Investment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 GK - Davis, Forecast, Bialkowski/Poke/New Keeper RB - James, New RB LB - Mills, New LB CB - Perry, Lancashire, Thomas, New CB (Saeijs?) CM - Schneiderlin, Wotton, Gillett RM - Thomson, Lallana LM - Holmes, Surman ST - New ST, McLaggon, Euell, BWP Get Rid: Rasiak, Saga, DMG, Pulis, Svensson (retire!) That ought to see us through, maybe get rid of a few more of the higher earners to bring in some good new players who CDAJFU in L1 and the CCC. We need a goalscorer, because Saga and Rasiak will almost certainly be off, as will DMG by the looks of things. New wing backs are also a priority, as i'd ideally like to see Lloyd James being played further up the field in a midfield role, and I don't think that Mills is ready to be a regular first teamer yet. I can't believe that you actually think, the failures of last season, will be the hope of this season.........get shot of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 GK - Davis, Forecast, Bialkowski/Poke/New Keeper RB - James, New RB LB - Mills, New LB CB - Perry, Lancashire, Thomas, New CB (Saeijs?) CM - Schneiderlin, Wotton, Gillett RM - Thomson, Lallana LM - Holmes, Surman ST - New ST, McLaggon, Euell, BWP Get Rid: Rasiak, Saga, DMG, Pulis, Svensson (retire!) That ought to see us through, maybe get rid of a few more of the higher earners to bring in some good new players who CDAJFU in L1 and the CCC. We need a goalscorer, because Saga and Rasiak will almost certainly be off, as will DMG by the looks of things. New wing backs are also a priority, as i'd ideally like to see Lloyd James being played further up the field in a midfield role, and I don't think that Mills is ready to be a regular first teamer yet. disagree with those CB's we will leak goals at every set piece agree about the goal scorer but my the time we start looking the good ones will be gone just think that we will still be brittle under pressure with those players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchi Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 Should be possible to pick up some cheap/free players suited to league 1 - they'll get discarded as soon as we get back to the Prem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 I can't believe that you actually think, the failures of last season, will be the hope of this season.........get shot of them. Our squad isn't really that bad, I just think they suffered from poor management last season. I have a lot of confidence in the squad we have and their ability to perform at L1 level. People say that players like Surman and DMG are rubbish, but I completely disagree. While Surman had a bad time last season, I still rate him highly and don't understand all the criticism he gets. The team that I posted had a good spine (Davis, Perry/Thomas, Wotton/Gillett) and would do well in L1 imo with a few more additions to the squad. disagree with those CB's we will leak goals at every set piece agree about the goal scorer but my the time we start looking the good ones will be gone just think that we will still be brittle under pressure with those players Agree with the CBs, but I think it would unsettle the squad harmony to bring in too many new players this season. Perry had a good season at CB, and looked good along Saeijs. We do need a bit more height and aerial ability at the back, and this is something that we should look for in a new CB addition to the squad. I think someone posted about some 6'5 centre back from Gillingham or a team like that who scores goals for fun from set pieces. That is the kind of player we need. As for goalscorers, you may be right that they will be gone by the time we have established a new owner and are on the prowl for players. I think we ought to be looking at loans from Prem clubs, or perhaps players that have fallen out of favour. While we are a L1 club now, we'll still be a big draw in the league, and players will want to come to us. There are plenty of young strikers in the Prem who will come to us on loan and score goals for us, players like Febian Brandy at Man Utd who helped Swansea to the L1 title the season before last and did well at Hereford in L1 last season too. Other players like Ben Sahar at Chelsea and Freddie Sears at West Ham have been told they will go out on loan next season, and they could DAJFU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 It makes me wonder sometimes how many on this forum actually watched a game last season. Our team was so lightweight that the other teams soon learned that they could simply walk through us without worrying about our pretty pretty football.Now we have peopl suggesting that these same players are good enough to see us get back into the CCC. The players are not big or strong enough. The division we are now in relies more on strength than pure skill. Without players of similar stature we will be swamped again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 Personally i dont think it'll take much in transfer fees to get promoted as there are plenty of players who could do a job for us on frees. We need a comanding centre half (but not a cart horse) and a left back. A right and left midfielder and a couple of forwards, one bigger phyiscal type and one with skill or speed. Webber would be a good signing in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 I feel that Perry, as steady as he was last year is going to be found out by the horde of younger forwards running against him. In my book we need 2 CB's and a Back. Gillett will need help in midfield so I would look for a big strong central midfield player. We definitely need two strikers as insurance. Though our kids showed some promise last season none really showed enough to bet your house on them. Pulis is a strong type of player I believe. We will know soon enough unless he sustains another injury. Any players brought in must be physically capable of taking stick and dishing it out. Not that I want a dirty side but we must be fully able to defend ourselves. After all we will be like a big fish in a small pond to a lot of the other teams. Especially if we start with a great run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 What we need is a manager who understands this league and who is allowed to buy/loan a few players to get the balance he (she?) wants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 I just want Ricky Lambert !ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 we dont need to spend more than our rival teams but we do need to buy better players than them.we have a decent squad of players who were'nt good enough for the championship but they may turn out to be a class act in L1....who knows? most importantly we need a manager who can get the squad of players playing some decent football that results in a good return of points,something that i dont think you will get with the majority of the managers mentioned on the 'new manager poll' thread,we need to think above and fight above our weight if we are to achieve anything this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 What makes you say that? Wotte as good as told us a couple of weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 7 June, 2009 Share Posted 7 June, 2009 2 centre halves as Perry can't be expected to play whole season and Only Thomas left. Lancashire is not good enough IMO. Midfield will look very weak if as expected Euell, Surman, Lallana leave. Leaving only Gillett who is good enough. Wotton will still be way to slow for League 1 and Holmes will still be injured and highly rated by some due to a couple of decent displays early last season. Strikers who can score goals and have a physical presence required. Paterson may be ok but not proven. DMG will probably leave to get relegated with Forest. Saints need to get their scouting network in order and get some promising/talented strikers from league 2 and below like other teams seem to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 (edited) CB is without doubt our weakest area with Thomas yet to prove his fitness, Perry being a liability IMO and Lancashire looking like he has great potential but with no idea when that will be realised. If Lancashire toughens up he could well be a very decent player as he has the ball skills required. Getting Saijs back is extremely important. A ball winner or two is a must. Having said defence is a weak spot I look at our midfield and wonder where are the goals going to come from if Surman leaves. We seem to be OK for holding midfielders with Gillett looking good. I can't stand Wotton but at least he has heart. I'm keen to see if Gobern can fill that role. When moved into the middle he reminded me of Carlton Palmer. A drop down a league won't do him any harm either. The problem though is creativity. With Surman assumingly gone that leaves Holmes and Schneiderlin. I certainly won't be holding my breath for Holmes to beat a man and Morgan doesn;t seem overly keen to get in the box so IMO we desperatly need to find some pacey wide men and attacking midfielder and I have already mentioned N'Guessen a million times. I don't see Thomson as being ready and I am far from convined Lallana is a wide man. Is McGlaggon more suited down the middle? If McGoldrick leaves then Patterson/BWP ticks all the boxes for me. Mind you Rasiak and Saga might still be here! Edited 8 June, 2009 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 8 June, 2009 Share Posted 8 June, 2009 It would be a fair question if we were not still intent on selling every bugger we had last season, otherwise it's all pie-in-the-sky tosh. We'll be lucky to stay in Divsion 3 next year with the squad we are likely to have left. As one who endured it all before 50 years ago, I have to calm you youngsters down a bit and not expect too much. In my own view it will take us about seven years to get out of this sh*t hole and then we are back in the CCC if Coke are still sponsoring by then and then what, Premiership around 2025 if you are lucky. Whether I'll be around long enough to see it is anybody's guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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