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Only saw a bit of the Musk interview but the bit I did see was him doing the whole freedom of speech thing. That's fair enough but interviewer should have pushed him on the misinformation a bit more - misinformation isn't a matter of opinion but about being factually incorrect. This post-truth world does my nut in.

Sorry LD but I'm really struggling with what your point is. If it's that fucking lefties would worship Thatcher if she advocated remaining in the EU then I think you're wrong. They'd probably agree with her on that issue though (although actually the fucking lefties have loads of Brexiteers in their ranks so maybe not even then). Or is it that if you believe in remain then you have to agree with everything everyone else says if they also believe in remain? I think the problem is that you've looked at life through the prism of leave and Brexit for so long that you think everyone else does as well.

If we can't get Potter or Poch back then I'd like to see Tommy Widdrington get the job.

Bastards are stopping Outside Source on BBC News channel and don’t seem to be replacing it with anything except the usual rolling news service. That and Newsnight are the only things I watch on BBC now (and Newsnight can’t hold onto any decent presenters) .

I’d like to see the anti gun movement set up a body as powerful and well funded as the NRA. I guess the problem is that gun owners see it as one of the primary single voter issues whereas the anti gun movement don’t. Would be nice to see that change. if they can’t get their heads round changing things then it might be refreshing to see a politician stand up after another school massacre and be honest and tell their electorate that this is the price you pay for gun ownership. You want guns? Don’t fucking cry when you get mass shootings.

That was probably Peter Powell or Bruno Brooks. They were both cunts. I still miss “Our Tune” on the Simon Bates mid morning show - was absolute quality listening to tales of utter abject misery that just got worse and worse. I loved it.

Completely agree Whelk - it feels like commentators, pundits and fans are trying to add a level of sophistication which simply isn't necessary in football. Some commentators seem to make up the pronunciation of player names as they go along. Caleta Car is a prime example - I've heard it pronounced about six different ways. Thankfully he doesn't play anymore so that's a relief. On a related note - countries that used to be part of the British Empire rejecting the name we've given them and going for something else. Show a bit of fucking gratitude! We didn't slave away (pardon the pun) coming up with a name for you that would indicate your subordination to us just so you could change it at the earliest chance you got. Yes, Colonial Nigeria, Colonial Fiji, British East Africa amongst others, I'm talking about you. Bastards. Anyway, where are you on the whole Gary Lineacre thing?

Haven't seen anywhere enough of him to form much of an opinion either way. His lack of stamina is a problem and he was consistently subbed around the 60 min mark in inferior leagues which doesn't bode well and means that consistent pressing isn't going to work. I think he could be a decent option in games where we're in control and need to break down defences and his height should give us loads of options. I'd be looking to use him as an impact sub when we're chasing a game and against a team content to sit back. Definitely not writing him off but we'll need to play a different type of game if he ever becomes a consistent starter.

Ok, so as far as I can recall the bbc covered lockdowns quite a bit and talked about the pros and cons. I think most people were aware of them and pretty sure we even had a thread on here talking about them. Not sure what else you wanted the BBC to do? Or is it more the that they didn’t overtly criticise them? Surely it’s biased rather than proper journalism that you want?

Genuine question but did you get your "proper" journalism over lockdown from anywhere within the MSM? BBC seems to be a target for you because of it's funding model and it's fair enough to question that but as far as I recall there wasn't a whole lot of variation in reporting during the pandemic so it wouldn't seem to be particularly relevant to single the BBC out in that context.

I thought the 30's Germany comparison was a bit OTT and unhelpful but don't have any problem with Lineker saying it. As far as I'm concerned he can say whatever he likes outside of the BBC. Surprised about Shearer - always thought he'd be a bit of a Tory. I reckon they'll get Danny Mills in - he looks like he would drink the blood of migrants.

I apologise for the distress although I did warn you. I have to turn off the radio when it comes on. It’s a fucking middle class kid pretending to be a poor black kid with a terrible fake accent spouting pretentious gritty poetry that doesn’t even rhyme. Obviously critics loved it and now it’s gone collecting pronouns it’s even worse. Yep, other Kates are far far better

Kae Tempest formerly known as Kate Tempest. Can't stand her and her awful affected accent. They sound like a demented dalek spouting cliche ridden bollocks poetry to crap music.

I'd expect just that kind of comment from a Nazi.

Fair enough, I disagree but you're entitled to your opinion.

He got as close as he could to comparing them to Nazis and he did that deliberately. Even if you're just drawing a comparison to how the Nazis started off, it's still a comparison to Nazis. It's a comment designed to draw praise from people who already agree with you rather than an attempt to change minds or enlighten them. Problem is it's hard to tackle these three word slogans. I honestly don't know what the answer is but comments like that don't help.

That's a fairly epic response so I won't reply to all of it. It's obviously a matter of opinion as to how important immigration is but, as I said, I wouldn't underestimate it amongst certain demographics. Polls are fair enough but often wrong - many people don't want to be accused of being racist and will deliberately downplay it when asked, or it might be that, for various reasons, large chunks of people aren't being polled. As for this government being like 30's Germany? I really don't like them much but effectively it's comparing them to Nazis - Russia does that to Ukraine and everyone laughs at how gullible people must be to fall for that guff. I feel the same way in this context too.

I'll answer if I may as LD had quoted me and I don't actually think you and I really disagree. My point was simply that the tough stance, the rhetoric and the three word slogans do resonate with large parts of the population. The policies themselves may well be rubbish but from a Tory point of view that's almost irrelevant if people believe and like what they're saying. Tajjuk had a really good post yesterday and I didn't disagree with it much at all except when it came to the idea that for most people immigration isn't that much of a big deal. I think it is. The average person doesn't watch the news and doesn't see the front bench rip the government apart, doesn't know the difference between asylum seekers and migration but they have the perception that immigration is out of control and something needs to be done. Slogans like "Stop the boats" both reinforce the perception and also suggest they're doing something about it. When you get Gary Lineker likening the situation to 30's Germany, it's not useful and does nothing to persuade people to his point of view. Instead it hardens positions and people start to believe the liberal elite argument. As for the effective immigration policy and process - how does free movement of people within the EU fit in with that if you were a remainer? You can absolutely make a case for it being a positive thing but very difficult to say we're in control of immigration if that's what we would want. Obviously I realise it's not what anyone is offering right now - just pointing out what has been argued and what people disliked. Anyway, I just think it's a bit dangerous to take this stuff lightly.

Cheers, I'll have a look at that. Quite like Adam Curtis, always interesting although I often struggle to follow his point. HyperNormalisation was fascinating but baffling in equal measure.

Yeah, I'm not going to try and defend it but what I will say is it would be unwise of any politician to underestimate the strength of feeling around immigration and particularly in certain demographics. Not saying I agree but it's a reality. Talk to most older people, or poorer people and immigration will strike a chord. It's an emotive issue and people generally vote emotionally. Certainly worked for Trump in 2016 and I'd argue it was the single biggest thing that contributed to Brexit. Most people knew that "take back control" had most resonance when it came to borders and controlling immigration - it had less effect when people talked about it in relation to our own laws because they couldn't name a single law they would repeal. They didn't need to be a genius to work out what controlling our borders meant. In fact, controlling immigration isn't even a stupid idea - it's self defeating and nuts to vilify anyone if they mention an immigration policy. I voted remain and I agree with all the arguments about the benefits of immigration so I'm not defending this government - just pointing out that, as a tactic, it's not that stupid and will convince some people to vote Tory. Don't think it'll work this time because the economy is down the pan and people are sick of the Tories (or at least I hope so).

As far as I can see these released messages don't tell us anything we didn't already know. All I can see are some people who were opposed to lockdowns thinking they've got some kind of smoking gun.

There's some players I wouldn't mind still doing a knee slide celebration.

Yeah, I watched Moi a bit more closely than usual cos, you know, he works hard cuts off passing lanes etc etc. He was shite. I think he got a couple of interceptions but gave the ball away virtually every time. I don't think he's ever going to be the answer.

We should have a poll. My suggestions are: A. Football visionary B. Slightly misguided but has some good ideas that will ultimately benefit us C. An alien D. Hipster bullshitter E. CUNT