VectisSaint

Difficult to see what could be said that was positive. Not a lot wrong with what Alps has posted really. Only apologists would see anything positive from last night.

It was odd that he was on the bench (unused of course) on Saturday, then last night he was not even on the bench. I can only guess it was designed to **** him off by making him travel all the way to Manchester for nothing so that he will get lost in January with less fuss. As you say he was probably pleased in hindsight not to be associated with the shambles last night. Like Blackmore said, the only one to come out with credit last night was Jose Fonte.

U18 7-2 as well...

At least we could have sung happy birthday to him.

Not often I'm ITK

Hopefully VvD is OK for tonight. His head injury Saturday was still obvious yesterday and not seen in the pre match pics or video. Looks like Kenzie Benali also makes her debut tonight.

Kelvin...Mobility? :-)

Try reading the sports news today. Gary is new manager, Phil is still there though.

Maybe he will if and when we are.

Couldn't agree more. Signed Old Fool

Why is this a nightmare? Caulker showed on Saturday that he is perfectly able to fill in. It could even be argued that we played much better after he replaced Jose who some claim was having a poor game (didn't see why myself but I only watched the game live and haven't seen any highlights etc) though equally this could be because City took their foot off of the gas after they went 2 up.

Your assumption is perfectly valid even if it is difficult to understand from a logical point of view. Trying to add some perspective or reasoning behind Ron's rather illogical comment is more interesting, and ultimately usually provides a more realistic answer. Trying to understand Cedric's on-going medical issues and how resting him may be the prudent thing to do in the longer term is a reasonable hypothesis given the clear evidence of the injuries, the stitches, the condition of his eye and the propensity for the scar tissue to open up again at the slightest touch, all clear from seeing the guy on the pitch and looking at photos and video from training etc. Its not rocket science, there is a serious issue which has not been resolved and the only way to resolve it is to "rest" him, even though he is perfectly fit to play. There is an alternative hypothesis, that there is some sort of disciplinary issue, but there really is no evidence for this as far as I can tell.

Very true

Very true, just shows you have to take anything Koeman (or any other manager) says with a Rick Stein sized pinch of salt. As in "Cedric is dropped". Not a criticism of Ronald, just the way of the crazy football world.

So you're suggesting that after the game Koeman should have come out and retracted his statement and told everyone in fact that Cedric was not fit. Interesting notion. Unless of course Koeman was sure that Yoshida would have a howler or two.

No it wouldn't, but its the modern way, and to say he's not fit would not be true. He is perfectly fit, but some medical problems are lessened if more recovery time is given, and this is a case in point. By the way have just read the OS and Koeman quoted "There are no other updates about injuries – the same team, the same squad probably for tomorrow's game.” suggests Cedric will remain "dropped".

I know exactly what Koeman said, its called reading between the lines. Koeman also said Fonte would be available for tomorrow. You need to understand that every word any manager says is not gospel. There is a reason he didn't make the squad, its better not to tell everyone the real reason, as they can then target it next time (though I think everyone knows that Cedric has had a serious and worsening eye issue for a few weeks now, exacerbated last week (Stoke) and requiring more stitches again. He is perfectly fit but playing him and risking further damage to the eye injury was something that it was probably considered "dropping" him to allow further healing time.

Would be odd if it was not Caulker who is backup for Fonte and played there effectively Saturday. Besides, Yoshida will be needef as RB :-) Does mean potentially we will have no cb cover if Cedric remains unavailable, I guess Martina is considered that cover. Interested to ses who gets the armband, Wanyama took it Saturday, was surprised as usually Davis is backup.

This. Almost exactly what I posted. He is fit, but his eye injury needs time to heal.

You really continue to demonstrate your ****ishness. Can't deal with anything thats remotely critical of the current set up, even when the facts are demonstrably true. Just continue to believe everything in the garden is rosy.

So why didn't they struggle last season, 2 of the 3 same players were on loan then as well. Are you trying to say its all down to McCarthy? Sorry but thats rubbish. Its down to the players progressing not being good enough and our coaching not being good enough either.

Koeman didn't take him before due to his inexperience. Sounds familiar.

2nd time in just over 2 weeks one of our academy teams has shipped 7. art may post some rubbish but the decline in our famed academy that has been evident for a while to those who follow is really beginning to show now. We are falling a long way behind the best and there id precious little evidence that we will see any significant improvement soon. Needs a major shakeup in the coaching and management at this level.

Our top passer. 100% success. 5 out of 5. Can remember one in the game live. Did OK but actually contributed the square root of **** all.

As a simple fact we are in his league. But I know what you mean.