Whitey Grandad

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Whorls

I'm too old and past it now, but any business that sells into the EU can only suffer. Or is anyone suggesting that it would be easier and less costly?

Norway had to when they negotiated their deal with the EU. The assumption (doesn't come from me) is that Britain would need to do the same. We wouldn't know until we tried, of course, but simply hoping for the best is not the basis for a reasoned decision, I would have thought.

They have to have a job first before coming here, but that wasn't my point which was, if we haven't and can't or won't stop the non-EU people from coming here up to now, what makes you think that we will suddenly put up the shutters after leaving the EU? There's also the argument that most of those (EU) who wanted to come are already here and will not be repatriated after an exit are still going to be here. Plus, of course, if we wanted a trade deal with the EU we would have to sign up to the free movement of labour as well as goods.

'Careful not to kill anyone'? The way they stormed the barracks not knowing that they were empty belies that point.

Some we do, some we don't. In several million cases we haven't.

Better for me, but I can understand the pain of others.

Kampf

Traditionally testimonials were recompense for a player who had stayed at the same club for ten years and therefore had missed out on transfer bonuses. Nowadays they are all so well-paid that they have become charity parties.

Chow

'Just stroll in'? I can't recall such words.

Well said CEC, and beautifully articulated.

I used the word in the sense of 'not significantly'. Both these instances are very marginal and it's only because TV goes out of its way to try and create some controversy that we ever get to see them. Fifty years ago you'd never have heard a mention of either. Rooney was actually coming back from his marginally offside position where he had been for a fraction of a second when the ball was passed to him. Do you really think he had gained an advantage from being being offside? This law has evolved over the decades to be officiated by somebody running up and down the line with a flag. It's never going to be 100% accurate and only really exists to stop goalhanging. I was watching the game but was too busy trying to stop myself puking at the sycophantic commentary.

Er... No I didn't say that. At present hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world seem to have no trouble getting visas and then when they overstay are not deported. There are also millions already here who have arrived from all over the world including the EU. I cannot see that flow being reduced or reversed.

Those who come from the rest of the world tend to come by air, not through the EU. There aren't many who come through the tunnel or on the boats. As for those already here from the EU, and there are of course a lot of them, I can't see any viable means or legality in repatriating them. Im as anti-immigration as the next UKIP leader but I just don't see any desire amongst the politicians to get the numbers reduced by a factor of a hundred or so. We've had several million net immigrants over the past decade or so from both in and out of the EU and nobody did anything about it so I don't see how that is going to change any time soon.

Not really.

Then why are hundreds of thousands from the rest of the world coming here every year? 93,000 non-EU students a year stay in the UK after completing their courses. I don't make up these figures.

This must be a rare case of the fans hitting the sh!t.

I was more interested in those who post on here and what they think would be better outside. From what I can see none of these issues that you list would be significantly different. Immigration controls? The EU citizens would just become 'rest of the world' and we don't stop those at the moment. Sovereignty? We have that at the moment, I don't know what you think will change. Legal system? More to don't with the ECHR than the EU and nobody is talking about leaving that. Fishing and agriculture? We sold all our quotas to Spain and others.

He was of his time and important to us in our rise up the leagues. Not good enough at his present age for the Premier League but a significant part of our recent history.

Not joining the Eurozone is one of the country's greatest missed opportunities.

Our borders won't change one little bit if we left the EU. They'd still be as wide open as they are now. We can trade with anybody we want to, just don't think it's going to be easier outside the EU because it'll be a lot more difficult and expensive than it is now. I really cannot see the slightest advantage in being outside, quite the opposite. Every possible indicator that I can think of is negative. Would somebody who is going to vote 'out' please give me a very simple summary of where the country will be better off in any respect?

To be fair, this information is not readily available , especially for older ST holders.

Two days after the final game of the season. Good, I shall be around.