Whitey Grandad

Try and win the cup? What do you suggest, try not to win the next cup game?

Fair point. Some would consider that the war started when Japan invaded them. Canada declared war 7 days after Britain. New Zealand was first to declare apparently, if you consider local time. Following our interesting discussions I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participants_in_World_War_II I also watched an interesting documentary on the National Geographic channel this week about human torpedoes and midget submarines. Apparently the Italians pioneered the use of 2-man torpedoes with some success against the British but after Italy left the Axis many of the Italian sailors then bravely co-operated with the British knowing that they would have been shout if captured. Much of their experience was used to develop our 'chariot' version of the torpedo.

It wasn't a World War at that time. I suppose, basically, that the war didn't start until we joined in. All part of the British 'dominion'. I once asked a Canadian about his country's sovereignty and he said that for the First World War Canada was automatically dragged in with Britain but for the second the decision had to be ratified by the Canadian government.

Not really. The French as a nation had capitulated and I don't think the others were in it against Japan.

All I know is that when he was in charge of Reading he was on £300k a year. He must have spent it all.

Wasn't he just.

Britain was the only country that was fighting for the complete duration of the war.

Chambers is playing him onside.

Looks more like lipstick to me. Not really his colour though.

To be fair I think you'll find that on every board.

I was fearing a thrashing when they scored but through the first half we steadily took control and grew in confidence. At the end I was disappointed that we didn't win it.

Too right he should. We need all the top class players we can scrape together out there.

The BBC were creaming themselves this morning on Radio 4, quite embarrassing really. Everybody dies eventually.

And Middlesbrough 1997. Didn't they lose two finals and get relegated?

Fernanda Lima.

Fernanda Lima. I've given up on the finals already.

Thanks, found it on the BBC website. Just logged on in time to hear about the wet season or something.

Don't tease! Where are you watching this?

Quite so. We can speculate all we like but we shall never know what difference putting out a full first team would have made. It could be that our league position would have been worse.

You can get cream for that. Or is it a special kind of bubble gum?

That would be handy.

Indeed. The debate will go on for ever as to whether it was because of the time spent in jail or despite it.

How do you know it hasn't?

Likewise. The concern now is that his inspiration will create an enduring change of attitudes in South Africa.

Bugger. I was looking forward to seeing Victor against Toure.