Micky

I'm with Gemmel, let's wait and see what we've got to work with before we go pinning our colours to the mast. Who knows, this time next week we might have 4 marquee signings and another Kevin Kegan in the building....!! I can but dream.

JPA - Joint Personnel Administration you mong, 'knel Jamie how long you been in...??? You obviously need more training days...

Schmeichel, Danns and CMS - not bad business I suppose...!

So, Sharp or Maynard then....

They also do not want to get caught and thus banged up - that is when burglers tend to turn more violent. Just for the record, what would you do, or what would you suggest one does when confronted with somebody burgling your home?

By stabbing, shooting or hitting the homeowner first...??

Totally agree about the "I'll fackin do yaaa!!!" brigade Benjii. I also accept that most burglars want to get in and out without detection. But it doesn't always work out like that, leaving the homeowner with some tough choices. I just wonder what some people might be thinking if it was the homeowner that had died in this instance - real glad that the burgler is ok though? When I think about my own personal circumstances, if I was burgled, probably to nearest 'weapon' with which i could arm myself is a knife in the kitchen. Others have eluded to clubs or baseball bats that they have close at hand, which could just as feasibly end up causing a fatality. Minimum or reasonable force, once you have armed yourself, is really quite difficult to guage.

This is indeed a very good point, we do appear, in places to have surrendered the streets to criminals. Are we now expected to do the same with our homes?

Fu ck me Nick, that was brief. So is the homeowner guilty or innocent?

Spurious asrgument given that you said most burglars. We know that, but occassionally it all goes tits up and the burglars get found out and confrontation occurs. Nobody is saying that if you confront a burgler in your house, you kill them - that is just a stupid twist that SOG added to the equation earlier. (Yes a few keyboard warriors bashed their chests about it too - more bravado than substance). However we are in very great danger of supporting the offender more than the offended. As for working in the CPS, that's great, but not really of any relevance. Are we just to let a burgler have free reign of our homes once they have gained access, are we not entitled to do 'something' to try to maintain our posessions? If that 'something' means inflicting harm of any sort will the CPS always charge the homeowner no matter what. As for guidance on the issue, what will it be, a 500 page document covering all eventualities of having your home burgled, people have split seconds to make these choices. Salford MP, Hazel Blears, said: “Obviously each case needs to be judged on the evidence, and at this stage the police are still trying to ascertain what happened.'' “I entirely agree that people should have the right to use reasonable force to protect themselves, their loved ones, and property.” But Ms Blears said: “The doctrine of reasonable force is well established in this country.” Chief Constable of Greater Manchester, Peter Fahy, added in an interview: “The law is very clear if you are being attacked in your own home you can attack back.'' “You can get in the first punch. You can protect your property and protect yourself.” It appears that even those people who should know such guidance are not that clear about it themselves - what chance does the homeowner have. You cannot look at the facts of this case so far and not come down on the side of the homeowner for protecting his family and posessions.

Just turn that hypothetical argument around and have a think about it for a while. You'd quite happily allow a burgerlar to knife your family because of the fear of what may happen in a court. You are cool with that, yes?

So the short answer then Dune is that you were laughing at his disability. Now in a feeble attempt to extract yourself from the situation you point to others who are as bigotted as yourself. If you read the acticles you quoted, they too are now running scared, denying any wrongdoing, covering their actions with petty excuses. Mocking any disabled person really is the lowest of the low.

But we don't know what choices the homeowner had. The burglar could have chosen not to break into the house, but he didn't, and as a result he faced the consequences. The homeowner was put in a position where he had to make choices - whether he chose correctly, remains to be seen. It appears that some people feel happy for a thief to take their posessions so long as they leave them in peace - I find this somewhat staggering really. I'm not advocating that we should all become 'have a go heroes', but if that is to be the common stance buglery could become a daytime occupation. And what of street muggings and theft, if we saw somebody being mugged, do we just turn the other way, pretend we didn't see it, wait till the victim was laying in the street, make sure the mugger had run far enough away. If people simply cave in whenever they are intimidated I fear that the thiefs have won - we'd just as well rename burglery to 'open house, take what you want, please leave quietly, don't wake the kids, shut the door behind you'. There is saying that an Englishmans home is his castle, castles have battlements from where they were defended from invaders, it appears that this is no longer the case and the drawbridge is permenantly open.

But we do agree with him. The point is not about what the most serious offence is - we all know that. The point is what to do when confronted by 4 masked men burgling your house. If somebody is in your house it is very difficult not to have some sort of confrontation, unless of course you live in a mansion. You cannot blame a homeowner for protecting their family and property. How would you have reacted in the homeowners situation? It's tragic that a man had to loose his life in this, but I think most people will agree that he had choices. So it's not the case that we disagree, we don't, we are all in agreement about the offences. Great advice - don't get involved, phone the police. Unfortunately the practicalities of it are very limited.

Very good advice indeed, but it is just that, advice. Hard to avoid conflict with 4 masked men in a two bed semi. What advice do the police give after plan a failed, roll over and die?

It appears that much of this debate is really about the economics of expanding the stadium. That being so, perhaps soon there will be a cheaper, and for many of the fans, a much preferred option: http://bcove.me/caqbid0i I know some will say it will never happen, but it is obviously being debatted, so who knows.

yeah, very good mate. I was probably a little slow on the uptake, but having had certain things pointed out to me and having just re-read a thread elsewhere, the penny has dropped. I can understand that some people may have an agenda and certain points to prove, but to effectively mock any disabled person (even if it is just to get a reaction from certain people) is not the way to make your point. This thread should be consigned to the Muppet Show, or better still, deleted entirely. Some people have gone down considerably in my estimation.

Real shame, spent many hours watching MMC, still showing on TV now. RIP.

From what I can gather they serve a life saving purpose now. It appears it is a very safe way of holding a fireworks display, apparently:

How do you know..?

Ummm, thinking about it, I can't disagree with that to be honest. Kinda killed the optimism for me now.... doooh..!

Deppo got removed from the Forum for less, norwaysaint should be removed from society.

Shame he never got into an 18 wheeler and crashed it strait through their church - would have done society a great favour.

You're wasting your time there mate - trying to talk finance and common sence to a pompey fan. There's a brick wall over there, go talk to that, it'll sink in quicker....!

Any you found it funny because...... You have serious issues Dune....