SaintBobby

Massive step to safety. I’m just starting to look up the table

I'm not sure why you're counting a "non-win" as a defeat. If we'd, say, drawn with Everton, Arsenal and Spurs rather than beaten them, but beaten Cardiff, we'd be on 27 points, 2 clear of Cardiff, who'd be on 25 points. How many more points are Cardiff going to pick up? Who knows? Maybe as few as 3, 4 or 5 though. In which case, we'd be needing 1, 2 or 3 draws to stay up with a measly 5 wins to our name, assuming our GD remained better than Cardiff's. As I said at the time, 5 wins would be pushing it a lot. 6 wins would look much more plausible, although hardly anywhere near a guarantee. Obviously getting by on so few wins would basically make it certain that you need to beat the teams around you or just below you and we blew that v Cardiff. Also, goes without saying that if you're even thinking of staying up with 5 or 6 wins, you'd going to need a lot of draws rather than losses from the remaining games. We will see at the end of the season whether my view of 5 wins (including v Cardiff) might possibly have been enough (my guess is it will fall 2 or 3 points short) or my view that there was a fair chance that six wins would stand a fair chance of doing it turns out to have been right (that seems about 50-50 or a little better)

Oh.

Liverpool 2-1 up after a stupid penalty. Kind of wanted Fulham to win this one, as they can't catch us anyway IMHO.

Watford and Wolves both winning must be a slight help to us. Neither have anything to play for in the league really, and so are likely to focus on the Cup. Probably only of marginal benefit, but you can imagine their players wishing to avoid yellow/red cards at almost any price, players with very minor niggles being rested/subbed etc. I still think the FA Cup probably saved us last season - our run to the semis meant we ended up playing Swansea when they were in a death spiral rather than in the middle of a decent-ish patch of form.

Turned out just fine, fortunately!

Isn't Carillo still on the books too? I feel we will struggle to keep Lemina (sadly)

Yep...and pretty much stick to it. I did say the wins needed to include beating Cardiff at St Mary's, and we blew that one badly, which seriously affects the maths when you screw up a massive six pointer. Had we even drawn that match, we'd be very close to safe by now (say 30/1). Had we won it, we'd now be 8 clear of Cardiff with 9 games to go and with them averaging less than a point a game, we would stand a fair chance of staying up even if we lost all the remaining matches. The spread of points Cardiff are likely to get from here is anyone's guess. I would think their anticipated return is about six points (7 or 8 points based on their results to date, but they have a tougher than average run in). But, optimistically, it could be measurably lower than that. Perhaps just two, three or four. Saints' odds on being relegated are so long because Cardiff have so much to do.

I'd say 9/1 or 10/1 is about right. Basically, can't see where Cardiff are going to get the points from. Our GD means they need to get three more points than us over nine games. How many points is it likely Cardiff will get? Not sure, but could well be just 4 or 5 given their run in. If they do perform that poorly, we'd only need a small handful of points.

Well, today could have been worse....we just need to stay ahead of Cardiff, that's how I see it.

Geees....robbed

Boll ox

Cardiff are 2-0 down....

You can always spot the people who watch it on tele. The empty seats are usually directly behind the goals. So, when, say, JWP scores and the cameras zoom in, you see maybe 60% of seats empty (out of maybe 500) Both flanks were pretty full. Haven't seen the attendance number, I'd guess 29K-30K?

Have no idea how we got a point out of that. Gees, we were utter ****e

Great win after the screw up in the Cup. Feeling very confident of staying up now.

That's ruined my day. Let's hope Spurs can at least spell Hasenhuttl's first name correctly, right? Given you can't, I feel sure he will appreciate moving to a fan base that gives a toss.

Is there a case for signing no one in this window? It would be great to spunk another £40m or so on players. But it isn't much of my money (other than my season ticket!)

Possibly. I'm not saying it's certain that good Saints managers will end up at Spurs or Everton - just that they are the most obvious threats when it comes to poaching our managers. Bigger clubs probably not interested (namely, Man C, Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea) and any other English clubs aren't obviously a step up from being at Saints.

Spurs and Everton seem the obvious (domestic) threats. Not just because we lost Poch and Koeman to them, but because they represent an achievable "step up" for a Saints manager. I would think it unlikely that, say, Man Utd, Man City or Liverpool would recruit a Saints manager as their next job.

Well, if true, you can make a ton of money on the spread betting markets. So if, for example, you think a team making X points per match will make 3x/2 per match in the second half of the season, then I refer you to sportingindex. You'll make a killing.

Will iss him. Not one of our best players - by a long way - but a top pro and full of fighting spirit.

I think he is targeting 8 and good on him. I'm pretty sure he doesn't think we need to win 8 to avoid relegation. He's just aiming rather higher than merely scraping survival.

Not really. If at the halfway point of the season, the bottom five teams all had zero wins, it would be pretty reasonable to posit that you might well stay up with one or two wins by the end of the season. At the halfway point this season, the points per game ratio for the bottom four or five was truly dire. It remains very poor.

How many wins do you think we need to stay up? I'd say it's now possibly 3, maybe 4, given Burnley's two recent wins.