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Yep, he's been outstanding. Liverpool have been very good. City woeful, no chance they'll win the league now.

And what would you know? The only thing you've ever taken on the chin are you captains balls when you burnt his bacon.

It all went wrong when out talisman went off. If there is anyone left that underestimated Longs importance to the side then this dispelled all doubts.

To appeal what though? It seems they haven't been convicted of any crime or even charged with one. They've been recognised on CCTV has having been involved in an altercation for which they have received football banning orders, which are civil rather than criminal convictions. Football Bans can also be applied as a means to prevent further disorder so even if its proven that what the did was self defence the old bill can always pull out the card that having been involved in this then it's likely they'll be involved in something else in the future to uphold any appeal. We dont know if the CCTV footage shown to the court will show the initial attack from the Arnhems fans, or any witness statements confirming this, but you'd assume this was highly unlikely as nothing released to the media showed it. So not only did the Dutch police manufacturer the situation in the first place Hampshire Police appear to have not given the full story to the media given the way it's been reported so therefore you'd assume the same to the courts. So we now have the blaze of publicity and back slapping from them about how they've all worked together to save football grounds across Europe from these dangerous people. Some will say they over stepped the mark of self defence and so deserve everything they get but as eyewitness accounts such as Nicks article on TUI confirm once the Arnhem hooligans had been seen off the mood returned to the peaceful one it had been prior to the attack by them. There was no further trouble that day or night and no innocent fans were set upon, so those that had a chair thrown at them where the ones who attacked Saints fans in the first place, in that situation then surely they are the ones who deserve what they get? The whole thing stinks. Where else would you not be convicted or even charged with a criminal offence yet be banned from entering a city centre, travelling to another one or leaving the country for a good part of a the year without actually having been found guilty or even charged with anything. But of course no one gives a sh*t because as you can tell from the reaction on here and other social media the default reaction is they are scum and deserve everything they get. From the outside looking and as someone who has saw the whole thing from 20 yards away it seem the boys in blue have done a marvellous job of shafting a few people for their own ends yet again. Southampton FIU budget is secured for another year and yet another nice little "hooligans banned ahead of England tournament" headline that they roll out every time there is one.

There were a few Feyenord fans in the square but they were there to support saints. Read Nick Illingworths article on it on TUI which is linked above. It's exactly what happened. It was Arnhem fans who attacked the saints fans. I know this because I was in a side road just off the square where it happened saw the whole thing and the 50 Arnhem fans marched past me arms in the air singing "we are Arnhem". As for "simo" it's pretty evident he's a clown and talking bo locks, funny how on the one hand he's boasting about being on the back page of the echo for being involved in trouble and then condemning people for stuff he blantently hasn't got a clue what he's on about.

"Simo" is clearly talking out of his arse. Rolling down the stairs with 4 of them after they'd spat in a women's face because she was singing Lowe out songs. Yet at least 7 years on recognises all of them clearly from a photo in the paper, course that's true

good piece on TUI about this http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/news/42123/six-saints-fans-banned-after-trouble-in-arnhem Absolute stitch up

We need to wait and see what our body language experts make of this before we decided if It was pathetic or not. The ones that were analysing his body language earlier this season and deciding he wasn't interested any more.

How does a mongboard football match go? Do you all have your login names on the back of your shirts? Do you have a load of nerds sitting on the sideline posting on papweb on a match day thread? I bet the post match "cheeky beer" is a lolathan where not only do you discuss a deep tactical analyisis on tonight's match there is heated discussion about the previous weeks posts across the full spectrum of saints related forums. It's interesting to see sue whistle offer her services to the cause though, I had no idea she played football.

What's he dicking about doing this for? There is a big game on Saturday which he's clearly not preparing for. More interested in being a celebrity, trying to raise his profile to get a top job than managing us.

So I take it you shut up and stopped "the banter" immediately then rather than ironing the toby out?

I Remmeber watching Arsenal beat Portsmouth 5-1 at fratton Park a few years back. the entire stadium was cheering Arsenal on, singing the names all the Arsenal players and giving them a standing ovation when each sub was made and at full time. It seemed that Arsenal fans had taken over fratton park that day but quite a few of them had come disguised as Pompey fans. You can imagine my surprise when post match Arsenal players pointed out they were actually Portsmouth fans as they praised the Portsmouth supporters for the wonderful support they gave them during the match and Pompey fans boasting about amazing it was and how you wouldn't get scummers doing that. To be fair they're right as I can't Remmeber saints fans ever passionately cheering on the opposition whilst their own team were getting dismantled. Aruguably random skates can be found at fratton Park as it seems most of them actually support Arsenal.

No real surprise that someone like yourself fails yet again to grasp the point I don't think I or anyone else has ever said we would never make the champions league. What I did say however was that the self titled intelligent posters c2009-12 that would prattle on about how we were on an unstoppable March to the champions league, filling a 50,000 stadium week in week out with a team full of academy graduates who would never want to leave the club were talking bo locks. The self titled intelligent posters would stop at nothing to attempt to prove their point coming up with all manner of scenarios and hypothitical arguments as they gamely fought their corner. However despite all the fairy tales, hopes and completely illogical business arguments, such as spending millions to expand so we could give more tickets to away fans, free to schools or slash them everywhere in the stadium resulting is less income than we have now not one compelling reason as to why this was saints destiny was ever given. It was left to clutching at things like it being possible because they once said man would never walk on the moon or climb Everest and all you need are Dreams and ambition. Saints are pretty much where the dream stampers/trolls/idiots/dell sized mentality posters said we would be, a top 10 club who can challenge for the top 4 now and again if things go right but ultimately have our very best players picked off. Meanwhile the merry group of self titled intelligent posters seem to have disband taking their dreams, ambition and easy jet pricing models with them.

You of all people should be agreeing with this. On all versions of football manager until recently rearranged fixtures due to European ties were rearranged well in advance.

Liverpool winning it would be more nauseating.

All this from the bloke who once claimed that the big clubs aren't a step up from Saints. That our academy players wont ever want to leave for bigger clubs and more money as they'll want to be part of the project and play football with their mates. The bloke who also claimed top players will come here over bigger clubs and on less money because Southampton is a nice place to live and they too would want to be part of this project. Funny how when Gary Mabbutt says something it's rose-tinted naivety yet when Les Bender is thumping away at his keyboard saying similar stuff it's entirely possible. Stand by for a "you can see why I've got him on ignore but to answer the idiot" rant along with a "I never said any of that" denial similar to the way Les still denies ripping up his season ticket in protest

What a great little player he was. A terrific striker and such a shame injuries ended his career. He'd Although he'd be bang in trouble if he signed for us these days, took a few games to find his feet, I remember him missing an absolute sitter in one of his early games, I think it may have been away at Derby. If he'd have signed today he'd have been labelled the worst player since Stig Johnsen by then and be ironically cheered every time he beat a player.

Where are our resident statisticians when you need them? We need the data on what % likely we are to finish top 4 before we can make an informed decision. it was all the rage last season and anyone who pointed out it was a load of nonsense was rounded upon. So until someone provides this it's impossible to say.

We won't finish top 4 because you can't expect to sell your best players every summer and progress. We've had a positive nett spend the last two seasons and Koeman doesn't believe in youth. Oh yeah and Claise is shocking, Martina is an embarrassment, Long isn't worth £12m and Les Reed doesn't know what he's doing.

When you say "such a c*nt" you mean someone who pointed out what utter sh*t you were spouting yes? Because you seem to start thinking I'm a c*nt as well, right at a similar time when I pointed out you were talking bo locks about Lee. There's a pattern here pal, when you think it everyone else that is the problem maybe it's actually you.

How's that relegation battle going?

The point everyone keeps missing is prices already had come down for most normal fans. 64% of season ticket prices had been frozen or dropped. The price they were protesting about where a tiny majority of top end tickets and the top end season tickets in the new stand. All they've done is make tickets cheaper for tourists, which are the people they were whinging about taking their seats anyway.

This is a great day for the corporate fan. This should be hailed a triumph for all those upper class fans sick of being stereotyped as the prawn sandwich brigade by the traditional working class football snob. Now the richer elements of society can benefit from lower ticket prices along with the working class who had already had their tickets reduced or frozen. No longer are the rich fans being discriminated against for wanting the best seat in the stadium and being FORCED to pay more for it. Well done to everyone involved in the protest for bring the prices of premium tickets down, the rich deserve to have their ticket prices comes down as well. in your face working class football snobs.

I want them to bring in a hundred or so premium tickets for big games so we can have a good protest like the scousers but freeze or reduce them elsewhere and never talk about it.

Correct I had a look to see what all the fuss was about this morning and it turns out, as usual people are being OUTRAGED over nothing, many of the people protesting will be in fact be better off It's not hard to google pal, a quick ten minutes on the train this morning and found out all the facts. Maybe people should do their research instead of being quick to be OUTRAGED like you are and your spitting bile reply at me for daring to point it out. And I stand by my original point that protesting inside the ground is pointless and the only way prices will come down is by more and more empty seats. Although where the scousers are concerned there may well be empty seats even though most of them will be paying less anyway