Greenridge

I wasn't going to carry on with this thread as I've said my piece however I'll have one last go. Firstly I'd say that I normally enjoy your postings CBF but on this thread your posting style seems unusually confrontational but maybe I'm reading too much into that. Personally I believe Wotte's job is harder than Pearsons due to the position in the league when he took over, without the 3 wins we would have been cut adrift (although they didn't come immediately). If he gets us out of the bottom 3 after the last game then he should be given the key to the city and perhaps RL could have a picture of him in his office instead of the train? It will be a remarkable achievement. What I will say however, and I said in my previous posts, is that the circumstances (outside of the league position) of Wotte taking over were more in his favour than when Pearson came in from the outside. I've stated why previously. These are not facts per se, they are my humble opinion.

This debate seems to have run it's course, you have your view and it differs to mine, not a problem. I outlined my reasoning in my previous post so little point going over that ground again. I explained my thoughts behind Wigley and why I didn't consider it relevant to this arguement. In summary I maintain Wotte had many things in his favour that Pearson didn't with the exception of being a 'new man' which is the one point you have highlighted in Pearsons favour. I'm glad Wotte is doing a good job and let's hope he can pull another 4 or 5 wins out of the bag...

No quite sure how you drew that conclusion however to be clear. Firstly you cannot disassociate the ability of the man to perform the role regardless of the position he found himself in when taking on the job. In other words Sir Alex would make a good fist of any job he took on whereas I (or you) would probably fail. Secondly, much of the team make-up was down to Wotte, we know that some of the signings where of his influence so we can conclude that the team would be players he considered good enough and also he would know something about them and their abilities and character. That's a big advantage of someone coming in cold and having to hit the ground running I'm sure you would agree?

So far he's a bit of a balsa wood enigma but he seems to have something about him...time will tell.

That's a surprise. Very difficult to make meaningful comparisons however the fact that Wotte was part of the seamless total football approach and was involved for 9 months in parallel with JP and responsible for making a number of the signings then I would have thought that clearly put him at an advantageous position over Pearson. They come across as having a similar approach of getting players organised in a role they understand and a formation that is structured. A bit of fight, work ethic and discipline and away you go.

Disappointing but not a disaster if some of the other games finish as they stand now. We've not lost ground on a few around us but 3 points would have been massive tonight.

Cheryl?

SB I'm not sure why you are struggling to grasp the concept that Lucketti was only 'unavailable' for one single, solitary, individual, lone, solo game which sort of makes your whole arguement rather weak I'm afraid. I'm sure you are aware we won that game as well. Not sure why you have such a beef with Pearson but perhaps you could find something more tangible than the Lucketti signing (which was highly succesful) to gripe about.

Really? because he wasn't able to play in one sole game, which we won by the way. His signing and contribution was one of the main reasons we stayed up. Let yourself down there a tad SB.

My apologies if this has been posted before. In Tuesday's Echo was an article on Wotton however there were a couple of paragraphs relating to Pulis. The meaning may have got lost in 'translation' but would seem to suggest Pulis won't get a game unless there's a lot of injuries. It begs the question why did we sign him in the first place?......yes I know 'in case we get lots of injuries!'

The Norwich goal was due to a schoolboy error by the QPR defender as well.

It's quite incredible the way results have been going these last few games. I think 4 of the bottom 6 won last night, it's mad. Just shows how important our wins were as we'd be cut adrift by now without those 9 points. BUT we have to keep the run going as it looks like alot of teams in the poo are finding some form at the same time as us.

I thought Wotte was recruited to run the Academy and Reserves not the first team?

Although he has taken a lot of stick this season there were also plenty of people pointing out that the position he was playing in and the formation of the team was doing him / the team no favours at all. This only points to the failure of JP as a manager and it is such a shame that the club didn't act earlier. It seems everyone bar JP could see the problems and lets hope we can salvage this season.

Confidence from recent results coupled with the adrenalin from the same and a desire to play will seem them through. Everone wants to play when on a winning run, let's hope it continues.

I think there was an article that attributed the acquisition of Saeijs to Wotte

Exactly. What a great little series of results. The only disappointing thing being that other results aren't going in our favour (yet) but this makes our hat-trick of wins even more critical. Well done lads and well done Wotte.

If it had been a Cardiff defender instead of Perry I think there would be plenty of people ranting and raving about not getting a penalty. We see this type of incident result in a pen 9 times out of ten but thank god on this occasion it went our way. Wotte talked alot about luck playing a part when he first took on the job and whilst I'm not a believer in this per se I hope he's right. There were one or two things that went in our favour - good strikes on Kelvin's goal going straight at him for example. Let's hope it continues!

And there is the crux of it AP. No-one on this site, absolutely no-one KNOWS what the finite financial position of the club is at this moment in time. We have heard that Crouch's plan to the banks was accepted by them and that it was inferred that the cost-cutting didn't not need to be as severe and deep as Lowe has implemented this season but again we just do not know the facts of the matter, this of course is coupled with the deepening global crisis and pressure on the banking system so the situation is fluid. To your last point though I am as sure as you can be in this scenario that the banks will support the club to stay in the CCC rather than drop to Lge 1 where they can almost certainly kiss goodbye to their investment. There is no way they would pull the plug in the example you have given.

To be fair I think both the team the two managers have had exceptional support where it matters - in the ground on matchday, and this despite the fare that was being served up. Other than the Donny game when JP suffered some grief I think the fans have been pretty damn good this year in the face of adversity.

Pretty much how I see it Nick. We are where we are (rightly or wrongly) and this stage of the season is not the time for the unwanted distraction of a sideshow of ego's. Let's hope by hook or by crook we can maintain our CCC status and this whole sorry mess can be sorted out once and for all when the season has finished.

I agree with the sentiments you have expressed NC but I feel they are possibly too romantic in that history seems to have proven these 3 cannot work together. In your example above you propose Crouch as FC but I guess this would put him in a submersive role to that of the PLC Chairman and therefore when push comes to shove the PLC Chairman would have the final say-so / vote. It would be good to think all 3 could come back and redress some of the wrong-doings that our club has suffered in recent years but do you think it's a workable scenario in practical terms?

Being attacked down the flanks seems to give us our biggest problems week in week out. James will be exposed if he doesn't get the defensive support from in front so who can play in that role to give him some cover? It's clearly not Lallana's forte to play right-side but we've tried DMG and he doesn't give the cover either, Smith is injured and he struggled when playing this side. What's the answer?

I agree that there is a lot of the 'same old' written by the 'same old' and this applies equally to both sides of the coin. I have no problem whatsever with opinion whether I agree with it or not. What I do find frustrating on this board is when, for want of a better word, those with 'extreme' views resort to abusive name-calling, I really don't see the need for it and certainly don't see how it enhances and argument / debate. From the thread I referenced it would appear there is quite a number of posters who also find this approach rather tiresome.