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Confidence from recent results coupled with the adrenalin from the same and a desire to play will seem them through. Everone wants to play when on a winning run, let's hope it continues.

I think there was an article that attributed the acquisition of Saeijs to Wotte

Exactly. What a great little series of results. The only disappointing thing being that other results aren't going in our favour (yet) but this makes our hat-trick of wins even more critical. Well done lads and well done Wotte.

If it had been a Cardiff defender instead of Perry I think there would be plenty of people ranting and raving about not getting a penalty. We see this type of incident result in a pen 9 times out of ten but thank god on this occasion it went our way. Wotte talked alot about luck playing a part when he first took on the job and whilst I'm not a believer in this per se I hope he's right. There were one or two things that went in our favour - good strikes on Kelvin's goal going straight at him for example. Let's hope it continues!

And there is the crux of it AP. No-one on this site, absolutely no-one KNOWS what the finite financial position of the club is at this moment in time. We have heard that Crouch's plan to the banks was accepted by them and that it was inferred that the cost-cutting didn't not need to be as severe and deep as Lowe has implemented this season but again we just do not know the facts of the matter, this of course is coupled with the deepening global crisis and pressure on the banking system so the situation is fluid. To your last point though I am as sure as you can be in this scenario that the banks will support the club to stay in the CCC rather than drop to Lge 1 where they can almost certainly kiss goodbye to their investment. There is no way they would pull the plug in the example you have given.

To be fair I think both the team the two managers have had exceptional support where it matters - in the ground on matchday, and this despite the fare that was being served up. Other than the Donny game when JP suffered some grief I think the fans have been pretty damn good this year in the face of adversity.

Pretty much how I see it Nick. We are where we are (rightly or wrongly) and this stage of the season is not the time for the unwanted distraction of a sideshow of ego's. Let's hope by hook or by crook we can maintain our CCC status and this whole sorry mess can be sorted out once and for all when the season has finished.

I agree with the sentiments you have expressed NC but I feel they are possibly too romantic in that history seems to have proven these 3 cannot work together. In your example above you propose Crouch as FC but I guess this would put him in a submersive role to that of the PLC Chairman and therefore when push comes to shove the PLC Chairman would have the final say-so / vote. It would be good to think all 3 could come back and redress some of the wrong-doings that our club has suffered in recent years but do you think it's a workable scenario in practical terms?

Being attacked down the flanks seems to give us our biggest problems week in week out. James will be exposed if he doesn't get the defensive support from in front so who can play in that role to give him some cover? It's clearly not Lallana's forte to play right-side but we've tried DMG and he doesn't give the cover either, Smith is injured and he struggled when playing this side. What's the answer?

I agree that there is a lot of the 'same old' written by the 'same old' and this applies equally to both sides of the coin. I have no problem whatsever with opinion whether I agree with it or not. What I do find frustrating on this board is when, for want of a better word, those with 'extreme' views resort to abusive name-calling, I really don't see the need for it and certainly don't see how it enhances and argument / debate. From the thread I referenced it would appear there is quite a number of posters who also find this approach rather tiresome.

Likewise.

Unfortunately as he has been quoted I can see the continuing childish comments of this certain poster. Many of course have placed him on ignore. Everyone enjoys some banter as it's part and parcel of footy but this ongoing and banal diatribe that is trotted out is the most tiresome and anally-retentive text that gets posted on this board. I don't recall ever seeing this poster comment on the topic of the thread but purely antagonising and attempting to get a rise out of fellow posters through abusive, sarcastic and petty name-calling. This thread comes to mind http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=10575

Well judging by the way this thread has deteriorated and one or two other threads created today solely to antagonise I think your strange feeling may need the attention of someone from the medical profession I'm afraid.

No I didn't think you were and I agree with what you're saying. Nick G has pointed out similar in his post following on from yours however I wasn't thinking specifically about his latest comments regarding the 'Connor' rally but we have seen similar from him a couple of weeks ago. Again I don't want to make an issue of something that isn't but if he just focusses on footy then that's all we can ask for in our hour of need.

I didn't hear the interview in question and was not referring directly to what was or wasn't said last night but more to the other articles on the OS and in the Echo where he does seem to get drawn into commenting on these matters.

Irrespective of whatever side of the lowe coin you are on I see little point in not giving Wotte every chance and all the support we can muster till the end of the season. You can define 'support' in which ever way applies to you. From a personal point of view I'd rather him only comment on the team, the opposition and on-the-pitch matters. Leave the politics to others.

Could I make a polite request and ask that you don't 'quote' the oh-so-wittingly named self-confessed wind-up troll. He get's over-tired very easily, especially when it is half-term and makes it his remit to crash every thread with real side-splitting insults. Fortunately I don't have to read it due to the ignore facility (first and only time I have used it) and instead indulge in the more adult debate that takes place on the forum. Thanks

I think you are probably right there TDD. It seems to be a given that Pearson was a dead man walking upon the return of Lowe and Wilde as I'm sure it was reported at the time that L&W called for a meeting with Crouch to make their displeasure at the appointment clear.

I have to agree UP. Whilst I didn't always agree with TDD I did find thought provoking debate in his topics. I know he's taken a bit of stick from people, you know the normal 'troll' comments but I've never felt they were warranted. However just this last few days TDD seems to be, well, antagonistic and argumentative, just as you have said. Come back the old TDD.

Whether this story is true or not remains to be seen but Lowe is alledgedly a good business man and as such he would/should realise that he is far better off having The Echo on his side rather than against him.

In todays transfer climate that has to be considered a great buy for Stoke, something like 2.5m rising to 3.5m depending on maintaining Prem status I think.

Are you stating that as fact? I think you'll find that if you offered the banks the option for us to maintain CCC status with all it's trappings and a couple of hundred k's more in the red or relegation, a 10 point reduction and the inevitable administration I think the answer will be quite obvious.

Spot on there DD. Just a crying shame we didn't have him August - December.

I doubt you have any, well not any that have dropped anyway. And as Plumstead has said in his post please don't bother with another childish post in riposte as you are now on ignore. Bye and back to sensible and structured debate with 'fans.