Crab Lungs Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article6578727.ece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 cheers CL, not nice to go through. Respect to the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch-Saint Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 Michael Flatley could be our new owner I reckon Worth a cool 350 million ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 I cannot imagine for one moment what that man had to endure and full credit to him for never giving up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 (edited) He also stated on SSN,a couple of days ago,that being put on "gardening leave" whist at SFC was the worst thing that could have been done at that time. He offered to come in imediately to speak to Rupert Lowe but was told to stay away and he would be visited by Rupert at his home,he said this just compounded the issue even more. He really just wanted to have some normality in his life whilst these unfounded allegations were investigated. Luckily he had support from copius other members of the footballing fraternity,such as Curbishley,who he went and did some unpaid work such as watching games and scouting for,this helped him retain his sanity and some normality. Edited 3 July, 2009 by saint lard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 He also stated on SSN,a couple of days ago,that being put on "gardening leave" whist at SFC was the worst thing that could have been done at that time. He offered to come in imediately to speak to Rupert Lowe but was told to stay away and he would be visited by Rupert at his home,he said this just compounded the issue even more. He really just wanted to have some normality in his life whilst these unfounded allegations were investigated. I don't Rupert did anything wrong on this occassion. I'm sure he "wanted" normality. But the facts are he was up on charges against children. You cant possibly remain working as a premier league manager in those circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 I don't Rupert did anything wrong on this occassion. I'm sure he "wanted" normality. But the facts are he was up on charges against children. You cant possibly remain working as a premier league manager in those circumstances. I agree,Lowe really didn't have much of an option IMO. But i,like many others, are not fully aware of the facts of what was said between Lowe and Jones and in the manner of which discussions took place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 I agree,Lowe really didn't have much of an option IMO. But i,like many others, are not fully aware of the facts of what was said between Lowe and Jones and in the manner of which discussions took place. Uhm...it was reasonably clear in the Court transcripts when Lowe was sueing Fat Sam... I dobt any of us would know where to satrt if say the police arested one of your employees on allegations of child abuse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 I have EVERY respect for Dave Jones as was really sad to see him leave, but at the time Lowe really had no option other than to put him on leave. I'd love him to go on and get success, I'd love to see him back at Saints 1 day too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFKA South Woodford Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 At a meeting of London Saints soon afterwards, Lowe said that the club were put under pressure by both the Premier League and FA to suspend Dave Jones at once. I have a relation, who was accused of the same crimes against some kids on the estate where he lived, he was sent to prison for more than a year on their word alone, and was only released when those involved where arrested for other crimes and admitted that their statements were a tissue of lies as they disliked my relation. His life was ruined, he has never been compensated for his ordeal, he has never been able to get anything other than menial work since, and his health has suffered badly as a result. So I sympathise greatly with Dave, and wish him only the greatest of success, hopefully one day with Saints as I know that he still has a soft spot for Saints and it's supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 I don't think SFC could have done anything other than what they did, despite Dave not liking it. What I find really worrying is the fact he spent 400 hundred grand on legal costs. If he did not have the money would things have been different? A very decent man that was shafted by the worst type of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 This is one occasion where Rupert did absolutely the right thing. He had no option really, as others have stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketphilly Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 I think Jones saw that the plan was to keep Hoddle on irrespective of the trial result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 I have always felt that as a club we abandoned Jones, and with hindsight we let him down when he needed support, the resultant illness for his father was an added aspect that would have made most people very bitter - Dave has shown incredible dignity. I'm not a luvvie! But Rupert was in a difficult position, I recall at the time hearing that the police were certain they had a rock solid case, if the club had that same false feedback I can understand the decision. There is a thin line between supporting an innocent man and finding that you have been defending a pervert. I would like to think that the officers responsible for canvassing the charges and trying to smooth over the inaccuracies were charged/sacked and that the accusers were charged.....but I fear not. Dave's quiet approach contrasts a bit with post-cancer Lance Armstrong when he returned to cycling and won a stage. At the finish he went looking for his former team managers so he could say to them 'aren't you the ****ers that abandoned me when I was dying?' Thankfully Dave has shown no such thoughts about Saints and I hope the majority of fans will always welcome him, should he ever make it into the Conference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 As I recall we were on a major downturn form wise at the time and looked like we were headed for relegation so it was the perfect excuse to get rid and bring Hoddle in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 I'd like to know why victims have the right to anonymity, but the accused don't? We live in a country, where people are innocent until proven guilty The current system is open to abuse by liars Any one of us guys could have a 'one night stand', and then be on Meridian the following night having been accused of rape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 I'd like to know why victims have the right to anonymity, but the accused don't? We live in a country, where people are innocent until proven guilty The current system is open to abuse by liars Any one of us guys could have a 'one night stand', and then be on Meridian the following night having been accused of rape And there lies the problem, we are supposed to live in that kind of society, but in reality people can't wait to get the knives out without knowing all the facts. You only have to look at posts on this forum to see this happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 (edited) I have always felt that as a club we abandoned Jones, and with hindsight we let him down when he needed support, the resultant illness for his father was an added aspect that would have made most people very bitter - Dave has shown incredible dignity. I'm not a luvvie! But Rupert was in a difficult position, I recall at the time hearing that the police were certain they had a rock solid case, if the club had that same false feedback I can understand the decision. There is a thin line between supporting an innocent man and finding that you have been defending a pervert. I would like to think that the officers responsible for canvassing the charges and trying to smooth over the inaccuracies were charged/sacked and that the accusers were charged.....but I fear not. Dave's quiet approach contrasts a bit with post-cancer Lance Armstrong when he returned to cycling and won a stage. At the finish he went looking for his former team managers so he could say to them 'aren't you the ****ers that abandoned me when I was dying?' Thankfully Dave has shown no such thoughts about Saints and I hope the majority of fans will always welcome him, should he ever make it into the Conference! You have missed the point regarding the decision to place him on administrative leave. It had nothing to do with the 'rock solid case' of the police or any other outside factors. Far from abandoning him, Dave was given time off with full pay and benefits to pursue his defence. The club felt he could not fully concentrate on both his trial and the management of Saints, at the time looking like relegation candidates. Keep in mind the trial was in Liverpool, 4 hours from Southampton. I've no doubt that as time went by, RL felt Hoddle would be more successful than Jones and a deal was reached for him to be made permanent. After his trial Jones sued SFC for wrongful dismissal but lost his case. Sometimes the club should be shown a bit more respect for handing issues in the right way. Many fans (me included) were glad to have a change of manager at the time, albeit under different circumstances. I wish him well at Cardiff. Edited 3 July, 2009 by Redondo Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 Its also perhaps important to remember that when Martin Samual accuse the club (and Lowe) of treating him shabbily, Lowe sued and was successful in a court of law, which suggests that everything was managed firstly with teh legal compnents of employment law and to be fair, given that it was important for both parties to have 100% focus on what they were doing, the club on football and Dave on his defense it certainly also indicates it was teh right thing to do especially as Dave got full pay and benefits. Given the seriousness of the charges, this was handled as best it could really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 I had a long exchange of e-mails with Martin samuel regarding his piece against us. His feelings were that we should have kept him on and we were the worng doers.He would not answer what would his thoughts be if it were England or a top 4 club who had him as manager and those charges had been made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fen Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 Always Liked Dave Jones and you just have to feel for him, no one deserves that. To be accussed of the worst crime and be innocent especially when to convicted criminals are believed, absolute joke. He's been very unlucky at Cardiff especially this year, I wish him all the best for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulstersaint Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 Anyone charged with this kind of offence would be suspended by their employer, especially if their job involved working with children and young people - as is the case with a football manager. Yes, 'innocent until proved guilty' but when charged with this offence it is suspended until a not guilty verdict. So Rupert did the right thing. Very hard on anyone falsely accused, but just the way it is. Dave Jones conducted himself with enormous dignity and has rebuilt his life and career. Pity Cardiff didn't win the FA Cup and I wish him well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 you know his Mrs belted Rupert don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 I heard from just about the best possible source that he would always give consideration to managing Saints again and infact has applied for the role since he left Saints. His family still live in the area. I would welcome him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 I had a long exchange of e-mails with Martin samuel regarding his piece against us. His feelings were that we should have kept him on and we were the worng doers.He would not answer what would his thoughts be if it were England or a top 4 club who had him as manager and those charges had been made I'm sure his newspaper made no mention of the allegations..... hypocrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 3 July, 2009 Share Posted 3 July, 2009 I always thought that, publically, Daves Jone conducted himself with great dignity during this whole affair. IMHO, Lowe should have put someone in charge of the first team on a strictly temporary basis. When Hoddle was brought in, did anyone seriously think Jones would get his job back, whatever the outcome of the trial? I wish him all the best, working with another "charismatic" chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 Jones is a decent bloke and this whole episode was a disgrace. I despise Lowe, but to be fair, he was put an an impossible position. He was damned if he did, damned if he didn't. However, I think he would have got sacked by Lowe on results anyway. The team were going nowhere and Hoddle did a great job turning us around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 Jones' side basically comes down to "I should have been paid off in full, so i could go and get another job and effectively get two salaries like all the other **** managers" I've not got much sympathy for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 I don't Rupert did anything wrong on this occassion. I'm sure he "wanted" normality. But the facts are he was up on charges against children. You cant possibly remain working as a premier league manager in those circumstances. How could Saints, with a successful youth set up ask parents to entrust their young boys to a club where the manager was under such a suspicion and charge? That was the problem facing Lowe. I can't think of any easy way out of that situation. I do find it sad that it appears from the outside like SFC did not support their man. The main problem lies in the fact that anyone can make an allegation about any other person and the legal system immediately condemns that man, by association and without trial, by naming him. By all means, have a trial and if you find him guilty then name and shame. However, what if he was not named, did not tell his employer and was that type of person? What if he further offended whilst in the employ of SFC? This was a terrible accusation with tragic consequences. DJ must be one strong man to have come through this and the support from his family must have been inspiring. I wish him well for the future and hope that he can find an inner peace. I presume that the scumbags who accused him are now walking free with nobody knowing that they are lying, cheating pieces of crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 Saints should have stood up to the accusation and met it straight on. They could have made a statement to say the Jones was innocent until proven guilty and that they believe there was no basis to the claims. They made the wrong call, as time proved. I don't buy it that it had anything to do with governance it was a Lowe sacking by the back door. I remember at the time most fans including me didn't seem to mind him being moved on for footballing reason, but in hindsight we let him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 Saints should have stood up to the accusation and met it straight on. They could have made a statement to say the Jones was innocent until proven guilty and that they believe there was no basis to the claims. They made the wrong call, as time proved. I don't buy it that it had anything to do with governance it was a Lowe sacking by the back door. I remember at the time most fans including me didn't seem to mind him being moved on for footballing reason, but in hindsight we let him down. I was deliberately trying to avoid the line of thought about Lowe and be even handed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 4 July, 2009 Share Posted 4 July, 2009 I think Rupert was in a tough position and made the best decision for the club. I feel sorry for anyone put in Dave Jones's position and allegations of that type should recieve anonymity on both sides. Dave strikes me as a decent fella that still has time for the club and city and wrote a lovely piece in MLT's testimonial brochure. Have a feeling Cardiff will make top 6 and possibly even better in their new home next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 5 July, 2009 Share Posted 5 July, 2009 you know his Mrs belted Rupert don't you? Did that result in the black eye photo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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