John B Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Another Person leading a bid with no money http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4476170.Gillico_director_Richard_Williams_speaks_out/ An unlikely winner I would have thought - Pinnacle Mark 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Another Person leading a bid with no money http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4476170.Gillico_director_Richard_Williams_speaks_out/ Hmmm..'in football you get involved with a lot of characters' It's Lowe isn't it???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Hmmm..'in football you get involved with a lot of characters' It's Lowe isn't it???? Yes very probably too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Incredibly lazy by the Echo to recycle something that is clearly from the (I guess) Gannett/Newsquest owned Bradford paper - the references to the schools this bloke went to is a bit of a giveaway, as is the "by Echo reporter" byline. This normally means a PA rehash, which is okay sometimes. But being this is one of the biggest stories in the city of the year, the Echo should be taking more time and care on it than this. Frizinghall Middle School you say? Get him on board then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 This is simply Pinacle under another name, maybe even worse! We need to stay clear of anything with John Batchelor involved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 I don't quite understand this one. Both Batchelor and Williams are saying they're merely front men. How many front men does one bid need? Hurry up Swissers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashby Saint Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Incredibly lazy by the Echo to recycle something that is clearly from the (I guess) Gannett/Newsquest owned Bradford paper - the references to the schools this bloke went to is a bit of a giveaway, as is the "by Echo reporter" byline. This normally means a PA rehash, which is okay sometimes. But being this is one of the biggest stories in the city of the year, the Echo should be taking more time and care on it than this. Frizinghall Middle School you say? Get him on board then.... +1 I hate it when they use the phrase - "talked to the Echo" which usually means they have received a faxed press release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2009 I don't quite understand this one. Both Batchelor and Williams are saying they're merely front men. How many front men does one bid need? Hurry up Swissers! Probably Williams has the company Batchelor does not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Dear Mr Fry, We know it is your job to secure the most money for the creditors but if the difference in bids is relatively small then please do what's right for the fans and give the nod to the best long term interest bid. Don't forget that some of the creditors you are tasked with recouping money for will also be creditors once the club is taken over and therefore they also have a vested interest in the club being purchased by the best longer term bid. Thank you, Trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Nice Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 boring tabloid style reporting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 (edited) Ok google kings Richard Williams is from Heaton Heaton is very close to Blackburn Who else do we know that is from that part of the world and has the surname Williams? Uncles, brothers, cousins or just seeing reds under the beds? Edited 6 July, 2009 by dubai_phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Kit Kat Crescent is all I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Incredibly lazy by the Echo to recycle something that is clearly from the (I guess) Gannett/Newsquest owned Bradford paper - the references to the schools this bloke went to is a bit of a giveaway, as is the "by Echo reporter" byline. This normally means a PA rehash, which is okay sometimes. But being this is one of the biggest stories in the city of the year, the Echo should be taking more time and care on it than this. Frizinghall Middle School you say? Get him on board then.... Most people who read the echo will probably not take the Bradford paper I would have thought. That is why the Echo are giving their readers this information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Ok google kings Richard Williams is from Heaton Heaton is very close to Blackburn Who else do we know that is from that part of the world and has the surname Willams? Uncles, brothers, cousins or just seeing reds under the beds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Kit Kat Crescent is all I'm saying. Take a break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 (edited) Most people who read the echo will probably not take the Bradford paper I would have thought. That is why the Echo are giving their readers this information No sh*t sherlock. Thanks for that . I'm not complaining about the reprint of the quotes, my point is the lift of the entire article with it's ultra-local copy including the schools this bloke went to in Heaton. Would your opinion of him be different if a) he had been to a different school in Heaton? or b) you didn't have any idea what school he went to in Heaton? Echo readers do not care about "this information", cheers. Take some time to rewrite it, please, lazy Echo journos, especially as this is your biggest story of the year. Edited 6 July, 2009 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evo Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Uncles, brothers, cousins or just seeing reds under the beds? Dan Williams was a floor trader at Barings for the 3 months leading up to their collapse - true story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Paul C Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Dan Williams was a floor trader at Barings for the 3 months leading up to their collapse - true story. Didn't a certain Mr R Lowe work for Barings? Hired Nick Leeson if I remember correctly. :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Dan Williams was a floor trader at Barings for the 3 months leading up to their collapse - true story. As was Nick Leeson,whom we understand was first appointed at Barings by none other than our former chairman. Does that circle the square,or square the circle ? Or just give worrying grounds for fearing the return or continued involvement of His Rupertship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2009 No sh*t sherlock. Thanks for that . I'm not complaining about the reprint of the quotes, my point is the lift of the entire article with it's ultra-local copy including the schools this bloke went to in Heaton. Would your opinion of him be different if a) he had been to a different school in Heaton? or b) you didn't have any idea what school he went to in Heaton? Echo readers do not care about "this information", cheers. Take some time to rewrite it, please, lazy Echo journos, especially as this is your biggest story of the year. Perhaps journalists know what they are doing better than posters like you and me. It is a well known fact that most people know how to do their own job better than those who chose to criticise them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Didn't a certain Mr R Lowe work for Barings? Hired Nick Leeson if I remember correctly. :mad: Beat me to it.Either two great minds or two paranoid minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Dan Williams was a floor trader at Barings for the 3 months leading up to their collapse - true story. Eeeeekk!!! and we know who else was at Barings....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Are Dan Williams and Richard Williams the same person? Lowe probably knew Paul Williams as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsie Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Ironically, Nick Leeson is now a very accomplished football administrator. (CEO of Galway United). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Perhaps journalists know what they are doing better than posters like you and me. It is a well known fact that most people know how to do their own job better than those who chose to criticise them This is perfectly fine journalism for the newspaper in Blackburn or wherever they got the story from. Good story, good quotes, good local angle. It's lazy of the Echo to make such a hash of rewriting it. I'll say it again. People in Shirley, Millbrook, Bitterne, Midanbury and elsewhere do not care about the three schools this man went to in Heaton, Lancashire some thirty odd years ago. The "journalist" in question is not "doing his job better than those who chose to criticise them" he's just doing his job very quickly on very low pay, which is why you get this laziness. Local journalists are paid barest of minimum wage and are short staffed to the bone. This time of year it could even be a student working for free during the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 As was Nick Leeson,whom we understand was first appointed at Barings by none other than our former chairman. Does that circle the square,or square the circle ? Or just give worrying grounds for fearing the return or continued involvement of His Rupertship? Which could explain the 'Help Me Rhonda' fiasco....another one of Rupey's games to disrupt and disturb? Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2009 (edited) This is perfectly fine journalism for the newspaper in Blackburn or wherever they got the story from. Good story, good quotes, good local angle. It's lazy of the Echo to make such a hash of rewriting it. I'll say it again. People in Shirley, Millbrook, Bitterne, Midanbury and elsewhere do not care about the three schools this man went to in Heaton, Lancashire some thirty odd years ago. The "journalist" in question is not "doing his job better than those who chose to criticise them" he's just doing his job very quickly on very low pay, which is why you get this laziness. Local journalists are paid barest of minimum wage and are short staffed to the bone. This time of year it could even be a student working for free during the summer. Yes I do agree that the school history is not really required but it does show that he did not go to school with Lowe or went to University So have you sent your concerns to the Echo to see what they say Edited 6 July, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Perhaps journalists know what they are doing better than posters like you and me. It is a well known fact that most people know how to do their own job better than those who chose to criticise them No its not. It's possibly true as a sweeping generalisation, but as with all things, there are good and bad workers throughout industry and commerce and there are certainly plenty of people who are better qualified to write stories for a newspaper than some of the journalists and who are not journalists themselves. One only has to proof read the Echo to see the numerous mistakes made in both spelling and grammar to realise that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2009 No its not.. I can assure you that it is true . I dont know what job you do and I maybe able to do it but you obviously know how to do better than I do and know what to do when things go wrong. I agree with you that people make small errors during the work including grammar and spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 "It’s the first time I’ve done a football club" Say no more. I hope he does not do us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2009 "It’s the first time I’ve done a football club" QUOTE] A quote from Lowe perhaps when he took over - Perhaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 I can assure you that it is true . I dont know what job you do and I maybe able to do it but you obviously know how to do better than I do and know what to do when things go wrong. I agree with you that people make small errors during the work including grammar and spelling No it isn't true, it's as much a sweeping generalisation as before. I'd counter with another quote that is well known:- Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. There are numerous examples of independent contributors who write articles in newspapers on many subjects and have both superior knowledge of those subjects than the papers' journalists and who also often write in a superior style to those journalists too. The fact that they are doing other things that utilise their skills other than being journalists doesn't mean that they couldn't do that work as well as, or better than some journalists. Winston Churchill used to dabble in bricklaying as a hobby he found soothing in times of stress and was quite capable at it, possibly more so than many a poor bricklayer. There are those builders and plumbers who appear on "Rogue Traders" where in many cases the quality of their work is conceivably often surpassed by proficient DIYers. When discussing The Echo, the number of mistakes and the poor quality of the grammar and spelling means that the number of people who received a fairly decent education and could do a better job than some of their journalists would be quite large, if those people chose to be journalists instead of taking other career paths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Why are we attracting these no money jokers? Come on Mr Fry either sell to the Swiss or the British consortia so I do not have to read this rubbish any longer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 No it isn't true, it's as much a sweeping generalisation as before. I'd counter with another quote that is well known:- Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. There are numerous examples of independent contributors who write articles in newspapers on many subjects and have both superior knowledge of those subjects than the papers' journalists and who also often write in a superior style to those journalists too. The fact that they are doing other things that utilise their skills other than being journalists doesn't mean that they couldn't do that work as well as, or better than some journalists. Winston Churchill used to dabble in bricklaying as a hobby he found soothing in times of stress and was quite capable at it, possibly more so than many a poor bricklayer. There are those builders and plumbers who appear on "Rogue Traders" where in many cases the quality of their work is conceivably often surpassed by proficient DIYers. When discussing The Echo, the number of mistakes and the poor quality of the grammar and spelling means that the number of people who received a fairly decent education and could do a better job than some of their journalists would be quite large, if those people chose to be journalists instead of taking other career paths. Very true (if not really on topic). And funnily enough it's also true the other way round when it comes to journalism and sport. We are now drowned by the half thought-through, tossed out banalities from ex pros in all sports. But it is often the journalists, analysts and experts that may never have played the game to any significant level that can provide the real insight. I'd rather listen to someone like Mike Ingham on Five live, or read David Lacey or Hugh McIllvenny giving his considered view on football than a thousand and one Tony Cascarinos, Micky Quinns and Ian Wrights who change their view with whatever the story happens to be that day and just talk air head guff off the top of their heads. Of course there are exceptional individuals that can do both - Richie Benaud, or John McEnroe - but they're pretty rare. The person in a job is not the best person to do it just because they happen to be the person doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 The frequency with which potential buyers speak out seems to be in inverse proportion to the credibilty of their bids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 The frequency with which potential buyers speak out seems to be in inverse proportion to the credibilty of their bids. Probably better stated as reciprocal proportion, the inverse proportions relates two quantities through factors that are multiplicative inverses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 6 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2009 The frequency with which potential buyers speak out seems to be in inverse proportion to the credibilty of their bids. If they post on here they will have no credibility at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambsaint Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 My late Dad came from Bradford and went to the same grammar school as Len Shackleton!! About as useful as most of the comments post- admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 My late Dad came from Bradford and went to the same grammar school as Len Shackleton!! About as useful as most of the comments post- admin. Derek Shackleton was a better cricketer.....What a bowler.. PS God bless your Dad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Ironically, Nick Leeson is now a very accomplished football administrator. (CEO of Galway United). theres me thinking he died of cancer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 Much more tyre kicking I would think.........thats about all it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 6 July, 2009 Share Posted 6 July, 2009 "Mr Williams, 44, from Bradford":rolleyes: Another Marc Jackson. I bet he's a fat bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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