Wildgoose Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 I came upon this brief but interesting Sport's Psychology Article inspired by Alan Pardew. Thought you might find it interesting too......I did http://www.themartineffect.co.uk/football-articles-alan-pardew.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 This appointemnt just seems better and better with each passing day. I was in two minds about the Hearts friendly next saturday, not now, I want to see what difference AP makes in just a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Sport psychology, simple framework I'm beginning to warm to him. He seems to believe in everything we aren't. Our lot are in for a steep learning curve and a few are going to disappear without trace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Sport psychology, simple framework I'm beginning to warm to him. He seems to believe in everything we aren't. Our lot are in for a steep learning curve and a few are going to disappear without trace. Men from boys, wheat from chaff. I'm sure AP is aware of the task ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegaffer Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 AP is ahead of most coaches and managers in the game. Seems he wants everyone singing from the same hymn sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 I came upon this brief but interesting Sport's Psychology Article inspired by Alan Pardew. Thought you might find it interesting too......I did http://www.themartineffect.co.uk/football-articles-alan-pardew.htm Theres a bloke used to work for us might be able to help, Woodward or something I think it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highfield Saint Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 "If internal and external harmony coalesce we are approaching sporting excellence. It is unity within a club which encourages this. Uncertain futures lead to uncertain performances. Leeds is the perfect example. Harmony off the field leads to success on it." Exactly the change we have hopefully made. The internal fighting and disunity of the RL and subsequent years to a club unified from top to bottom. A company in turmoil is destined to fail. Same for a football club. Our part in this is to have the patience and show support through thick and thin, good and bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red And White Barmy Army Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 All i can say to many on this forum is look at the differing responses between this and when one of the world's best sports psychologists (SCW) was at this club, and even back in march when Wotte was talking about it. The response on here was almost 100% negative, and yet here we are. I will even use a psychological, yet simple, term to explain it - attitude towards an indivual/individuals - SCW/MW = negative (wotte talked about it after we had lost); AP = positive. Got to say the article is good in that it is positive towards AP but, as an article, lacks alot of detail and is padded out. i am actually quite f===ed off that i just wasted 2 minutes of my life reading that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Can't be that great or Championship/Premiership clubs would have been after him, have been enough vacancies recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 A good read, thanks for the link. At times this forum can produce some real nuggets of information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 A good read, thanks for the link. At times this forum can produce some real nuggets of information. It was a bit old though was it not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danish Saint Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 All i can say to many on this forum is look at the differing responses between this and when one of the world's best sports psychologists (SCW) was at this club, and even back in march when Wotte was talking about it. The response on here was almost 100% negative, and yet here we are. I will even use a psychological, yet simple, term to explain it - attitude towards an indivual/individuals - SCW/MW = negative (wotte talked about it after we had lost); AP = positive. Got to say the article is good in that it is positive towards AP but, as an article, lacks alot of detail and is padded out. i am actually quite f===ed off that i just wasted 2 minutes of my life reading that! Think you're missing the RL-part of the SCW-debacle.. We were just relegated, had sold our best players and the money spend on SCW, many felt should have been spend on players that could get us back in the Prem. RL made a bad decision, failed to act on it before the damage was done and the rest... well.... that's history... Now we have a new owner, new optimism through-out the entire orginisation and a manager who knows how to put the psychology into use (more of what Hoddle did during his tenure). Not the experiment that was SCW, but a tried, tested and functional version of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red And White Barmy Army Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 also a strong mention of saints in the february 2003 edition on that site about tottenham's 'submission' at st. mary's in the cup 3rd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 It was a bit old though was it not It certainly was, but there wasn't much in there that I didn't think would be relevant today (assuming it can be replicated of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red And White Barmy Army Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 Think you're missing the RL-part of the SCW-debacle.. We were just relegated, had sold our best players and the money spend on SCW, many felt should have been spend on players that could get us back in the Prem. RL made a bad decision, failed to act on it before the damage was done and the rest... well.... that's history... Now we have a new owner, new optimism through-out the entire orginisation and a manager who knows how to put the psychology into use (more of what Hoddle did during his tenure). Not the experiment that was SCW, but a tried, tested and functional version of it. all i can say is that there is no way SCW would have been a 'failed experiment' if the fans and others hadn't rigorously opposed further involvement in the 1st team that he was meant for during/post Redknapp. the 'resources' piled into SCW's appoinment would have been no greater than the purchase of an average right back - doubt that would have significantly improved the team that finished 12th or whatever it was (the team is greater than 11 individuals, as Mourinho says). --btw don't think i was a lowe-luvvie cos apart from SCW, virtually everything else he did i will never forgive him for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 all i can say is that there is no way SCW would have been a 'failed experiment' if the fans and others hadn't rigorously opposed further involvement in the 1st team that he was meant for during/post Redknapp. I'll give you the others, i.e. Redknapp himself and some of the other coaching staff and players having an impact on the "experiment", but the idea that the fans somehow put the kibosh on the whole project is somewhat stretching it IMHO. For me SCW was potentially the right man, but totally at the wrong time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 For me SCW was potentially the right man, but totally at the wrong time. Agree with that, but would also add (And it sounds a bit pedantic) wrong time, wrong job title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 SCW- Wrong sport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Saint Posted 20 July, 2009 Share Posted 20 July, 2009 All i can say to many on this forum is look at the differing responses between this and when one of the world's best sports psychologists (SCW) was at this club, and even back in march when Wotte was talking about it. The response on here was almost 100% negative, and yet here we are. I will even use a psychological, yet simple, term to explain it - attitude towards an indivual/individuals - SCW/MW = negative (wotte talked about it after we had lost); AP = positive. Got to say the article is good in that it is positive towards AP but, as an article, lacks alot of detail and is padded out. i am actually quite f===ed off that i just wasted 2 minutes of my life reading that! yes, SCW was the sporting psychologist who announced prior to the ill-fated 2005 Series in New Zealand that studies have proven that "winning teams wear red"...sure did the Lions a lot of good as they got hammered 3-0.....as for those who believe SCW was the reason we won the RWC in 2003, Mrs Woodward could've picked the team and it would've won...we won because of 4 players, Johnson, Wilkinson, Dallaglio and Robinson.....Woodward is a guy who puts structures in place and then fills those structures with well-qualified people...he himself was a moderate old 1st Division coach but who was smart enough to recognise his limitations and learn from others, such as when he took a holiday to the States and visited Gridiron set-ups, noting down every detail of their set-up to the extent of locker configurations....given time, unlimited resources (note that he has already asked the BOA for increased funding to deliver his '2012 vision') and the flexibility to experiment, he may have been successful with us...given that those elements weren't in place following our relegation, he didn't have them to play with.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 21 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Theres a bloke used to work for us might be able to help, Woodward or something I think it was Absolutely! I think Sports Psychology can have a big part to play and have always been interested in it I agree with Um Pahars re Mr Woodward though......right man, wrong time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 did not think SCW was a sports psychologist , he just employed them. but i may be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 I'll give you the others, i.e. Redknapp himself and some of the other coaching staff and players having an impact on the "experiment", but the idea that the fans somehow put the kibosh on the whole project is somewhat stretching it IMHO. For me SCW was potentially the right man, but totally at the wrong time. I dont think SCW would have been accepted anytime with Lowe involved. Little concerned with comments from Charlton fans as Pardew said the same things he is saying now when he first went to the Valley. After five years of constant bad news regarding the Saints results perhaps I really cannot believe things are going to change for the better. The current squad will be increased with new players and new coaches and most are not that bad so I dont really know why I am slightly worried but I am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 did not think SCW was a sports psychologist , he just employed them. but i may be wrong He probably like you could spell it and had an understanding of it use unlike Harry who probably could not spell it either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Can't be that great or Championship/Premiership clubs would have been after him, have been enough vacancies recently ..bearing in mind that its a Board of Directors who appoint managers, the majority of Chairmen seem to want some tough, old player who screams at the players in training, and swears at the ref. on match days.They fit the bill. Not much room for an intelligent thinker, who has an overview of everything and doesn't want all the glory himself. The main problem is that most Chairman have the money but not the football savvy. It takes a good businessman to MAKE money, but a wise one to know HOW to spend it. We've seen that in our club recently and many others in the past. I think ML knows exactly what he's doing and he's not expecting to do it before Christmas...IMHO, AP seems to be an inspired choice , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefunkygibbons Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 At the top level, you are always looking for the extra 1% If such practices provide it, then it is worthwhile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capel Saint Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 I dont think SCW would have been accepted anytime with Lowe involved. Little concerned with comments from Charlton fans as Pardew said the same things he is saying now when he first went to the Valley. After five years of constant bad news regarding the Saints results perhaps I really cannot believe things are going to change for the better. The current squad will be increased with new players and new coaches and most are not that bad so I dont really know why I am slightly worried but I am Yes, there will always be that element of doubt until we see the results roll in after the season is underway. I was certainly nervous when they appointed Strachan but look how successful he was with Saints. I think it all depends on the club and the manager. Sometimes it just clicks and when it does, things go well. Let's hope that Pardew clicks with Saints! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 Yes, there will always be that element of doubt until we see the results roll in after the season is underway. I was certainly nervous when they appointed Strachan but look how successful he was with Saints. I think it all depends on the club and the manager. Sometimes it just clicks and when it does, things go well. Let's hope that Pardew clicks with Saints! I agree but every time I think things are getting better things get worse thats all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 21 July, 2009 Share Posted 21 July, 2009 SCW- Wrong sport He never had a chance here. It was an interesting appointment that could have worked, but everyone turned against him because of the constant sniping, leaking & lobbying from a certain master of the art (second only to Princess Diana) - one Harry Redflapps. Rather than embrace something new he saw SCW as a threat (perhaps rightly so) and effectively drove him out. He has history on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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