AndyD Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I am pretty worried as this is relegation form especially as we are -8 - it doesn't look good. Disgusting again - why do we bother? Spineless morons!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I am pretty worried as this is relegation form especially as we are -8 - it doesn't look good. Disgusting again - why do we bother? Spineless morons!!!! The problems not the players or the manager, and I suspect the same last year. The problem is the club imho. Everyone is good elsewhere, it's only when they play for us they're sh!te. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Pardew needs to sort this sh1te out,no more excuses,yes we are lucky to have a club at all, and Pardew as only been here a short time blah blah blah had enough of that being spouted now........but again it does sounds **** poor display Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Pardew needs to sort this sh1te out,no more excuses,yes we are lucky to have a club at all, and Pardew as only been here a short time blah blah blah had enough of that being spouted now........but again it does sounds **** poor display Nothing quite like copy and paste eh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Nothing quite like copy and paste eh! Same thoughts,different thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Roll on deadline day. Now it means something. Something big. Pardew now knows the extent of the job on his hands. Two points is shyte. By September 2nd we MUST have AT LEAST one more centre back, a right winger and a pacy forward. No excuses now, or this will once again be a long hard season of struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yate Saint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I don't see what the problem is. We should all be used to relegation form by now. I can't wait untill we win 3 games in a row again. Gona be amaaaaazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkadill Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Saints just escape relegation - Pardrew sacked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Certainly is. Would work out at 24 points for the season. (a grand total of 14 points with the deduction) Of course, that really isn't (pray god) gonna happen. Long way to go yet. But not looking too pretty right now I'll grant yer. IF (capitalised IF) we win the next two games that would average at 36 points (26) still relegated. If we achieve the fabled 'three wins in a row' and win the next three league games? (11 points from 7 games) then the average looks pretty decent: 75pts (65) surely a playoff push (?) So, a bit early to talk about our form methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestSaint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Unfortunately, it will not happen overnight We are still learning and geling- They will be ok - give it time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Unfortunately, it will not happen overnight We are still learning and geling- They will be ok - give it time I would agree with this if we started on zero like everyone else, but as it is we are ALREADY ELEVEN points from safety!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Hate to say I told you so, but..... Took too long to realise team was **** and then took and still taking too long to replace. Needed to react much quicker but didnt - big shame and onother season wasted! Happy clappers will no doubt remain happy - tools! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Unfortunately, it will not happen overnight We are still learning and geling- They will be ok - give it time Wasting your breath with some on here.......they belong to the 'we want it now' generation. They have already forgot the managerial turnover of the last 5/6 years, which has led us to this position, and see only as far as the tip of their noses. He will get it right...no-one in their right minds should of been expecting great things this season...........IMO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I would agree with this if we started on zero like everyone else, but as it is we are ALREADY ELEVEN points from safety!!!20 points behind Charlton now, and we finished above them last season. I really don't buy this **** that it takes time to gel and so on. We played our best game this season against Millwall, when we looked good at least at times, we seem to have gone backwards since then. I don't know the answer, but there is something still very wrong, the only thing I can put my finger on is the lack of width/pace and therefore the service to the former goal machine Lambert. Also still can't understand why AP refuses to play Gillett in the middle, not even on the bench today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I would agree with this if we started on zero like everyone else, but as it is we are ALREADY ELEVEN points from safety!!! We are further away from safety than when the season started Even without the ten point deduction we would still be in the relegation zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 20 points behind Charlton now, and we finished above them last season. I really don't buy this **** that it takes time to gel and so on. We played our best game this season against Millwall, when we looked good at least at times, we seem to have gone backwards since then. I don't know the answer, but there is something still very wrong, the only thing I can put my finger on is the lack of width/pace and therefore the service to the former goal machine Lambert. Also still can't understand why AP refuses to play Gillett in the middle, not even on the bench today. He's too lightweight, and would do the same job Hammond was brought in to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Unbelievable thread......some fans need a reality check!............this is going to be a long hard haul off the bottom and nobody at the club has ever suggested any different.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Unbelievable thread......some fans need a reality check!............this is going to be a long hard haul off the bottom and nobody at the club has ever suggested any different.......... Ridiculous comment Four games gone two points not good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 It's not good enough, i agree. In reality though the state of the team and club that was left from last year, left a lot to be desired. So many aspects of the club need rebuilding from top to bottom. Teams like Charlton had the ability to come down, keep the majority of the squad and structure and kick on. We lost 10 players i think? Lots of upheaval both on and off the pitch and it will require patience. I did hold a little hope that we'd galvanize ourselves and do a leeds when they were on -15, but hey ho - this is saints, why would we do a silly thing like that??? Give us a couple of months and we'll be winning regularly. We just need that one result....then it'll all click into place IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Some people need to get some perspective methinks.... We have to consider that we barely had a pre-season at all because nobody knew if the club was even going to exist at the start of the season. We appointed a new manager just a week or so before the season began, meaning he will have had very little time to assess the current squad and identify new transfer targets. By the time we were able to start spending some of ML's cash, most of the better available players had been snapped up by other clubs. Add to all of this the fact that we, as a club, NEVER start a season well. AP has already admitted (what everybody with eyes already knew) that the squad needs strenghthening, and that we can expect more signings before deadline day (which is another 10 days away). Seriously - what did some people expect? The fact that we haven't been dicked 5-0 in every game so far should be looked at as a positive IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Ridiculous comment Four games gone two points not good enough Nobody is suggesting 2 points from 4 games is good enough........literally nobody.........its a result of the malaise the club has been in for a long time, and the more realistic rational, circumspect individuals that are posting realise things take time to turn around..........there are too many unrealistic expectations from "dreamers" who expect instant success.............that just will not happen!!........accept that or face many weeks of further angst!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Nobody is suggesting 2 points from 4 games is good enough........literally nobody.........its a result of the malaise the club has been in for a long time, and the more realistic rational, circumspect individuals that are posting realise things take time to turn around..........there are too many unrealistic expectations from "dreamers" who expect instant success.............that just will not happen!!........accept that or face many weeks of further angst!! People like you are the dreamers unfortunately we were better last season in a higher division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Can't we ban happy clappers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Can't we ban happy clappers? Let's ban anyone with a bit of perspective, i agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithy Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 with 40 odd games to go.... We'll never manage it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 People like you are the dreamers unfortunately we were better last season in a higher division You appear to be dreaming...... new owner, new manager, new players, new coaching staff...........same old moaning fans!!!!! Give them a chance ffs......we have been saying this for years, and still some on here want an instant fix.....it will take time, maybe a year or more, but it will happen. I said this to someone else on here.....if you want instant success, then become a glory hunting fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 I think some believed after ML's purchase and AP's appointment we would have had the 3wins and a draw by now ! I think it will be another month before we see things turn toward how things will be, I believe AP has others he wants to bring in to the areas that we are poor and he has 10 days in which to do so, even at -11 no panic here, Brentford have had a somewhat indifferent start to the season and they are currently in a play off position, with a couple of the new signings performing well just don't believe we should be pushing the button this early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Are the players to blame?....I would say that pardew fooked up at Swindon and he didn't fill me with confidence today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintedwill Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 People like you are the dreamers unfortunately we were better last season in a higher division Of course we were better last season in a higher division but then, we hadn't just come out of administration, sacked off half the squad, brought in a manager 2 weeks before the start of the season and completely changed the core of the team. We DO need time to gel as a squad and for AP to put his pattern on the team. I'm sure there's a 5 year plan in place, not a 5 game plan. Have some patience for FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 You appear to be dreaming...... new owner, new manager, new players, new coaching staff...........same old moaning fans!!!!! Give them a chance ffs......we have been saying this for years, and still some on here want an instant fix.....it will take time, maybe a year or more, but it will happen. I said this to someone else on here.....if you want instant success, then become a glory hunting fan. If winning one out of four is instant success yes I am a glory hunting fan 2 points out of 12 is not good enough Charlton who if you can remember finished below us in the league have 12 out of 12 WE did better last season in CCC with JP and Wotte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintedwill Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 If winning one out of four is instant success yes I am a glory hunting fan 2 points out of 12 is not good enough Charlton who if you can remember finished below us in the league have 12 out of 12 WE did better last season in CCC with JP and Wotte I actually give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 If winning one out of four is instant success yes I am a glory hunting fan 2 points out of 12 is not good enough Charlton who if you can remember finished below us in the league have 12 out of 12 WE did better last season in CCC with JP and Wotte Charlton, perhaps you noticed, appointed Phil Parkinson and then let him go 20 odd games without a win... oh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 If winning one out of four is instant success yes I am a glory hunting fan 2 points out of 12 is not good enough Charlton who if you can remember finished below us in the league have 12 out of 12 WE did better last season in CCC with JP and Wotte Charlton came down, they kept the majority of their squad and most importantly they kept their structure, coaches and manager. They had a pre-season and the players actually knew who was going to be taking them forward... They were also relegated well before the end of last season - and ended the season quite well, playing without pressure. In a sense they've been planning for this division about 2 months in advance of us. How some people expect us to come down and completely hit the ground running with half a team full of new guys and new manager, new backroom staff, new scouts, new chairman, new owner....then you need your heads seeing to more than the ''happy clappy's' IMO. Have some perspective and look at the larger picture, rather than just short snapshots. See where we are after 10 games, I'll wager that we'll be on positive points by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairdylegend Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Ive been very negative this season...and im afraid its not gunna change. I honestly believe we will be well adrift and on course for relegation for the whole season, we havent got a winning mentaility and it will take months to get one, by that time it'l be too late. I SAY IT NOW....SAINTS WILL BE A LEAGUE 2 CLUB THIS TIME NEXT YEAR. You can slate me all you want, but Lowe etc have dug us into such a deep whole that the whole club is going through a positive processs of change, but it will take time, and by then end of that time we will have been relagated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintedwill Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 If winning one out of four is instant success yes I am a glory hunting fan 2 points out of 12 is not good enough Charlton who if you can remember finished below us in the league have 12 out of 12 WE did better last season in CCC with JP and Wotte I actually give up. Charlton, perhaps you noticed, appointed Phil Parkinson and then let him go 20 odd games without a win... oh... Charlton came down, they kept the majority of their squad and most importantly they kept their structure, coaches and manager. They had a pre-season and the players actually knew who was going to be taking them forward... They were also relegated well before the end of last season - and ended the season quite well, playing without pressure. In a sense they've been planning for this division about 2 months in advance of us. How some people expect us to come down and completely hit the ground running with half a team full of new guys and new manager, new backroom staff, new scouts, new chairman, new owner....then you need your heads seeing to more than the ''happy clappy's' IMO. Have some perspective and look at the larger picture, rather than just short snapshots. See where we are after 10 games, I'll wager that we'll be on positive points by then. Thanks for pointing out something which shouldn't have to be pointed out - it's becoming a bit like p*ssing in the wind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigchrisy Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 give it time to gel ya grumpy gits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 He's too lightweight, and would do the same job Hammond was brought in to do. He wasn't too lightweight when he got promoted out of this league with blackpool, so i dont agree with that, imo deserves at least a place on the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 The problem we seem to have is that - year after year - we have a useless first couple of months. This particular poor start has been compounded by all of the turmoil over the summer, but let's not kid ourselves - we haven't hit the ground running for a very long time. I'd happily be corrected on this but wasn't our last decent start back in 03/04 when we beat Spurs away and then hit 4th spot, only to fall away after Xmas? We have to stay positive, but make no mistake - if we aren't out of this slump by the end of October then I genuinely believe that it will take a mammoth effort to keep us up this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Wasting your breath with some on here.......they belong to the 'we want it now' generation. They have already forgot the managerial turnover of the last 5/6 years, which has led us to this position, and see only as far as the tip of their noses. He will get it right...no-one in their right minds should of been expecting great things this season...........IMO of course. Quite right IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 (edited) Charlton came down, they kept the majority of their squad and most importantly they kept their structure, coaches and manager. They had a pre-season and the players actually knew who was going to be taking them forward... They were also relegated well before the end of last season - and ended the season quite well, playing without pressure. In a sense they've been planning for this division about 2 months in advance of us. How some people expect us to come down and completely hit the ground running with half a team full of new guys and new manager, new backroom staff, new scouts, new chairman, new owner....then you need your heads seeing to more than the ''happy clappy's' IMO. Have some perspective and look at the larger picture, rather than just short snapshots. See where we are after 10 games, I'll wager that we'll be on positive points by then. OK but I have heard it all before You would think that we will get nine points from six games but then I would not have thought we would only get two points from four. I was not expecting to be winning games but I was hoping that the performances would have been better as on other threads you were suggesting that Brenford and Swindon were winnable games Edited 22 August, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 You appear to be dreaming...... new owner, new manager, new players, new coaching staff...........same old moaning fans!!!!! Give them a chance ffs......we have been saying this for years, and still some on here want an instant fix.....it will take time, maybe a year or more, but it will happen. I said this to someone else on here.....if you want instant success, then become a glory hunting fan. Nail on the head IMO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Can't we ban happy clappers? Can't we ban depressing prats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 22 August, 2009 Share Posted 22 August, 2009 Nail on the head IMO! Ditto. Last season we were powder puff, we spent the last closed season on the brink of oblivion. We know that what we put out on the pitch last season was deficient our final position showed us that. Brentford by comparision came up as Champions and are on the crest of a wave, we have a sore backside from bumping along the bottom. Just cut the team some slack and show a little patience for those who were actually at the game today you could see that there was a spark of life to our play. Some people need to wake up and smell the coffee: we are not Manchester United, Chelsea, Barcelona, Real Madrid et al, we are Southampton Football Club emerging from a nightmare scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 You appear to be dreaming...... new owner, new manager, new players, new coaching staff...........same old moaning fans!!!!! Give them a chance ffs......we have been saying this for years, and still some on here want an instant fix.....it will take time, maybe a year or more, but it will happen. I said this to someone else on here.....if you want instant success, then become a glory hunting fan. Don't think Saints fans should be picked out for complaining about the start to the season - there's not a set of fans in the country who would not complain about 2 points from the first 4 games. It is early days, but if the new owners, and the manager, underestimated the size of the task, very quick action is needed with the transfer window closing next weekend, but loans, instead of more signings doesn't send out a very positive message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Wasting your breath with some on here.......they belong to the 'we want it now' generation. They have already forgot the managerial turnover of the last 5/6 years, which has led us to this position, and see only as far as the tip of their noses. He will get it right...no-one in their right minds should of been expecting great things this season...........IMO of course. I totally agree and most of the comments are simply staggering to be honest. What did fans expect with our severely hindered preparation and an owner who had already stumped up many millions just to keep us from going under altogether - 4 straight wins and a transfer budget of £50m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 You appear to be dreaming...... new owner, new manager, new players, new coaching staff...........same old moaning fans!!!!! Give them a chance ffs......we have been saying this for years, and still some on here want an instant fix.....it will take time, maybe a year or more, but it will happen. I said this to someone else on here.....if you want instant success, then become a glory hunting fan. Unfortunately many over the past few years have listened to your advice and given the opportunity we have now be afforded courtesy of Mr Liebherr and his team the reaction of some fans is .............actually for the first time I am speechless and can't find the words to describe the negativity being shown by some fans and that they still have cause to moan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Ive been very negative this season...and im afraid its not gunna change. I honestly believe we will be well adrift and on course for relegation for the whole season, we havent got a winning mentaility and it will take months to get one, by that time it'l be too late. I SAY IT NOW....SAINTS WILL BE A LEAGUE 2 CLUB THIS TIME NEXT YEAR. You can slate me all you want, but Lowe etc have dug us into such a deep whole that the whole club is going through a positive processs of change, but it will take time, and by then end of that time we will have been relagated. Lowe may have dug the hole in your opinion but why do you and the rest of the moaners want to bury the club whilst its actually climbing out of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Don't think Saints fans should be picked out for complaining about the start to the season - there's not a set of fans in the country who would not complain about 2 points from the first 4 games. It is early days, but if the new owners, and the manager, underestimated the size of the task, very quick action is needed with the transfer window closing next weekend, but loans, instead of more signings doesn't send out a very positive message. Let the man do his job.........he may have to work with the players he has...he may. However, give him some breathing space before calling for his head, Jesus Christ, AF nearly got relegated with Manure.....now look at his record. A lot of our problems have resulted in not given a manager time to shape a team.........and now some here, expect AP to have done it in a couple of weeks ffs.. We will come good.......the last thing this club needs now, is a bunch of girly fans, running around crying..........have this debate at Christmas, not ferking August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 Nobody is suggesting 2 points from 4 games is good enough........literally nobody.........its a result of the malaise the club has been in for a long time, and the more realistic rational, circumspect individuals that are posting realise things take time to turn around..........there are too many unrealistic expectations from "dreamers" who expect instant success.............that just will not happen!!........accept that or face many weeks of further angst!! Have to agree, particularly given the complete shambles on and off the pitch of last season it was always going to be a tough rebuilding process. I think a few have failed to see just how bad things were at the Club last year (that Porrtvliet interview was very sad reading) and have failed to appreciate the task ahead of us. However, I do think those that are craving immediate success are in the minority. IMHO there is a world of difference between most football fans having a moan about performances and a minority being unrealistic in their expectations. I don't think there's any contradiction in having a moan about poor performances (either by a player or the team as a whole), but at the same time being realistic with our expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 23 August, 2009 Share Posted 23 August, 2009 I don't think I've seen anyone posting on here to say that Pardew was not a good appointment. Neither has anyone complained that we haven't won all four games, or that there should be a massive transfer budget. Pardew is being very frank in talking about the weaknesses in the squad, but originally he talked about bringing in one or two new faces who he would probably have to do through Bosman's or free transfers. In the event, he has brought in three players for fees. He's also got Murty who was free and the two loanees. This looks like a total transfer spend of about £2m with wages covered by the savings from those who have left. The problem AP and Cortese have now is that they are faced with a huge risk. They may have to go with this squad, and possibly see it weakened by the loss of two strikers. If so, all AP can do is try to get the weaker players to raise their game, which seems to be what he is saying . That is a very risky strategy when the team is 11 points away from safety against relegation and the players he is talking about may not be capable of performing above their ability. The obvious alternative is to strengthen, but doing that with loans, not signings, suggests the owner may have put a lid on the budget, or even that the £2m spend was over budget. If the club decides that AP's strategy of trying to improve the way the current players perform is to be the way forward, the fans will get increasingly negative if the results do not come. Even if the squad is strengthened, people will still complain if the results don't improve, but signings give a better guarantee of improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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