Saint Charlie Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Very disappointed and angry with the refs poor decisions. Turned down a blatant pen for us and then gave them a dodgy one. Said one of the Stockport staff said the ref looked like he was going to even it out before he have the pen. He said the players are gutted as he felt we were brilliant today and deserved to win. Said is concerned we have given up lead 3 times this week but today is just very disappointed as we definately deserved to win. Singled out James, Hammond and Trotman as being outstanding and then said he didn't want to answer anymore questions. He seemed very genuionely disappointed which makes a change from some of the Managers we have had recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruddick Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 He cares tis true but I just hope in the next crucial month it is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 I wonder how long he would get if current form were to continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Unless we get a few further quality signings in (such as the likes of Hammond & Lambert) - Pardew is going to have many more days of depression on a saturday afternoon! As are we - the fans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 I wonder how long he would get if current form were to continue. I don't think that he is in any danger of the sack even if the current form continued. I think he has been hired for the long term rather than for instant results. We have been sinking for 6 years and I think we are close to bottoming out but it might be a week or two yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLove Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 he has been hired for the long term rather than for instant results. We have been sinking for 6 years and I think we are close to bottoming out but it might be a week or two yet. Possibly the greatest post on this forum for well seems like ever. Everyone else get a grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 I wonder how long he would get if current form were to continue. Personally I want the current manager to stay for at least 3 years (i.e. duration of contract), even if the results continue to be below par. We need to give someone a chance to turn things around, and recent history shows us that constantly changing the manager does not help. Even if we get relegated because of the 10 point deduction we should stick with him - we have the financial clout to bottom out soon surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 I don't think that he is in any danger of the sack even if the current form continued. I think he has been hired for the long term rather than for instant results. We have been sinking for 6 years and I think we are close to bottoming out but it might be a week or two yet. I think this is largely true, however another relegation would see him depart and probably under his own steam TBF. Mind you, there would be significant ramifications to the overall club management structure if we were to dip into L2. Early days yet, but waiting for the collision is a sure-fire way to get hurt in business and I don't think Nicola or Markus have gained success by waiting for collisions, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 29 August, 2009 I think we bottomed out at the Swindon game as we have been steadily improving since then. Later in the season we may well win 5, 6, 7 in a row, its perfectly possible. We were obviously going to take some time to reach full speed, and we arent there yet. But we are improving the bad points to our game and will continue to do that until we are a very good team at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 I think we bottomed out at the Swindon game as we have been steadily improving since then. Later in the season we may well win 5, 6, 7 in a row, its perfectly possible. We were obviously going to take some time to reach full speed, and we arent there yet. But we are improving the bad points to our game and will continue to do that until we are a very good team at this level. a very fair summary in my opinion, i felt that after the Brentford game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 I think the manner of the performance is more important than the result.........staying in this league is the goal this season and anything else is an unlikely bonus........ from what is being written the team is coming together a bit and a win won't be far away.........far to many individuals that expected overnight success.......football isn't like that........ it will take time but the signs are positive.........time for the doubters to start believing in the long term!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 I think the manner of the performance is more important than the result.........staying in this league is the goal this season and anything else is an unlikely bonus........ from what is being written the team is coming together a bit and a win won't be far away.........far to many individuals that expected overnight success.......football isn't like that........ it will take time but the signs are positive.........time for the doubters to start believing in the long term!!# why is just staying up a goal we have spent more money than what some teams will spend in the next 5 years so far and with more to spend no doubt. not good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JibMcdo Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 # why is just staying up a goal we have spent more money than what some teams will spend in the next 5 years so far and with more to spend no doubt. not good enough Oh shut up. Please just be a little bit more patient. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianoneils slidingtackle Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Ive got over the dissapointment now, onwards and upwards, as has already been said we could put a string of good results together and fly up this poxy league (I hope) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Oh shut up. Please just be a little bit more patient. Thanks. why...did i tell you to shut up..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JibMcdo Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 why...did i tell you to shut up..? No, that was my first post. I told you to shut up. Your new thread is even more embarrasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 I think we bottomed out at the Swindon game as we have been steadily improving since then. Later in the season we may well win 5, 6, 7 in a row, its perfectly possible. We were obviously going to take some time to reach full speed, and we arent there yet. But we are improving the bad points to our game and will continue to do that until we are a very good team at this level. I thought we bottomed out at the Bristol Rovers FA Cup game.......How wrong I was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 # why is just staying up a goal we have spent more money than what some teams will spend in the next 5 years so far and with more to spend no doubt. not good enough Be realistic. We started ten points down on everyone. We have been getting worse since 2003. You don't turn a supertanker around in a ship's length. I thought you of all people would know that We can still challenge this year. We just need to put the bad things right and all the indications are that Pardew: 1. Knows what's wrong. 2. Is honest enough to admit it. 3. Is doing something about it - Murty, Hammond, Trotman, Lambert... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Until we vastly improve creating chances for our strikers and then killing teams off we will continue not to win games in this division. We play with no wingers and rely to much on Lallana, we have no pace to get behind opposition defences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Sounded as if we are not far short of turning things around. We were better than a Premiership side or 70 minutes on Tuesday and today should have gained all three points had we won another penalty that we deserved, took several chances that we had, or if the referee hadn't awarded them a dodgy penalty right at the death. I would go as far as to say that had we not lost Murty on Tuesday, we might have had reasonable expectations of still being in the Carling Cup and having all three points today. We have a couple of days to make some signings to make the difference between a team that is nearly there and the finished article. I am still upbeat and confident that we will make those changes, give the new team a few matches to settle in and then we will start to gain momentum and show ourselves to be perfectly capable of beating sides like Stockport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 He needs to start to turn his pre/post match Inteviews,that are viewed by many as 'the best they have heard from a Saints manager in a long time' into getting results. Thus far we are not very good and show no sign of improvement. Cue the 'he hasn't had long and missed pre season brigade' We could be here at Xmas trotting out the same wait and see mentality,we need results...now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
west saint Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 I don't think that he is in any danger of the sack even if the current form continued. I think he has been hired for the long term rather than for instant results. We have been sinking for 6 years and I think we are close to bottoming out but it might be a week or two yet. thankgod for a little sense,the dark days are almost over,we will not get promoted this year but we will not get relegated either. keep the faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 He was ****ing ****ed off today. - he sounded passionate and very montivated to get us out of this situation. I still don't believe that there was a better option for manager in the situation we are in. - i'm right behind him. It's just refreshing after the tosh from last year after we lost 5-0 away or whatever ''the boysh did well'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Listen now: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_2/8220759.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 He was ****ing ****ed off today. - he sounded passionate and very montivated to get us out of this situation. I still don't believe that there was a better option for manager in the situation we are in. - i'm right behind him. It's just refreshing after the tosh from last year after we lost 5-0 away or whatever ''the boysh did well'' here here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 # why is just staying up a goal we have spent more money than what some teams will spend in the next 5 years so far and with more to spend no doubt. not good enough We are currently 11 points from safety. Survival would be acceptable this season. Anything else would be a bonus. I would love us to be in the play-offs, but AP hasn`t even finished building his team yet. We have to be realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hectors house Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 He needs to start to turn his pre/post match Inteviews,that are viewed by many as 'the best they have heard from a Saints manager in a long time' into getting results. Thus far we are not very good and show no sign of improvement. Cue the 'he hasn't had long and missed pre season brigade' We could be here at Xmas trotting out the same wait and see mentality,we need results...now. Whilst the result today was obviously disappointing I don't agree that we "show no sign of improvement". I've only seen the home games but last Tuesday was a massive step forward and judging by the commentary and feedback from those who went to the match we also played well today. At the moment I reckon performance overcomes result, we just need a couple of wins to get some self belief and then we will be up and running. Personally I think we are beginning to turn the corner and I am still hoping for playoffs as I reckons with have a 5 or 6 game winnig streak before Xmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 He needs to start to turn his pre/post match Inteviews,that are viewed by many as 'the best they have heard from a Saints manager in a long time' into getting results. Thus far we are not very good and show no sign of improvement. Cue the 'he hasn't had long and missed pre season brigade' We could be here at Xmas trotting out the same wait and see mentality,we need results...now. TBF, that's ********, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Personally I want the current manager to stay for at least 3 years (i.e. duration of contract), even if the results continue to be below par. I am not saying we should get rid of the guy, but would you really give him three years to turn around a winless streak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 I am not saying we should get rid of the guy, but would you really give him three years to turn around a winless streak? Aalborg BK hung on to their manager after seasons of finishing 5th, 4th, 5th and 3rd (from 12 teams) and he then took them to win the championship in the 5th season. In most cases the manager should probably be released if he runs out of ideas/steam (Burley), but sometimes letting the manager know that he can look at long term development can be beneficial. Letting the manager not fear for his job over a current period of bad results can make him make better moves in the transfer market for instance and design the team of his liking over time (instead of relying on old henchmen to provide short term results). It's a delicate balance when to act and when to keep cool. I usually prefer the latter but sometimes the former gives unexpectedly good results :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The boy done well Posted 29 August, 2009 Share Posted 29 August, 2009 Those of us who went were pretty gutted too. Not sure I'd have quite known what to say a few minutes after. But several hours on and with time on my side my thoughts are that we're much fitter, much stronger and much better and that with a couple of further additions we are on the way to rebuilding and turning it around. The trouble is I'm not sure that most of us realise how seriously bad the team was. With things as they were we'd have gone down again....and again. You can't reverse that in a handful of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 (edited) TBF, that's ********, isn't it? Well,results thus far are not indicating any major upturn in form. The dispaly against Brum was good,but it appears we have learned nothing when it comes to holding onto a lead and getting a positive result....Swindon,Stockport are they going to up there for the playoffs? Edited 30 August, 2009 by saint lard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 Those of us who went were pretty gutted too. Not sure I'd have quite known what to say a few minutes after. But several hours on and with time on my side my thoughts are that we're much fitter, much stronger and much better and that with a couple of further additions we are on the way to rebuilding and turning it around. The trouble is I'm not sure that most of us realise how seriously bad the team was. With things as they were we'd have gone down again....and again. You can't reverse that in a handful of games. As someone who wasn't able to go yesterday, I am both grateful for and far more inclined to trust posts such as these which in my humble opinion hit the nail squarely on the head. It is so refreshing to read the thoughts of people who have the evidence of their eyes to make sound, reasoned judgements, and who understand that the decay of the last 5 years will not disappear in a handful of games. Progress clearly is being made - that is confirmed by the reports of all who went yesterday - and Pardew is clearly as keen as anybody to turn this around, but it will take time. We all have to be patient. There is no other option. "Long and hard is the road that leads up from the darkness into the light" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 time to worry is when Pardew does nothing before the window closes because he believes he has a full squad, I expect him to address some issues. We are getting there, but it's a long haul - and after the Boro/Villa/Everton/Leeds etc etc games of recent years, can anyone say they were genuinely surprised in the last 15 secs yesterday? In the old days we would have lost from that position - things are looking up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 I think we bottomed out at the Swindon game as we have been steadily improving since then. Later in the season we may well win 5, 6, 7 in a row, its perfectly possible. We were obviously going to take some time to reach full speed, and we arent there yet. But we are improving the bad points to our game and will continue to do that until we are a very good team at this level. You're spot on there. In our last away games, Kelvin Davis was the man of the match. This time around he was largely a spectator. Our weak areas (central midfield, height and dominance at set-plays..etc) are showing vast signs of improvement. The next stage is learning to kill teams off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 A bit of realism would be good here. There was a club that needed to be saved, alot of adjustment of attitudes, and some fresh injection of players. I am only viewing from afar, but to me, all three of those boxes are being ticked. We're building for the future and there are still over 120 points to play for this season! I'm sure we will all be relieved when we get that first win, but some of the comments on here have bordered on the ridiculous. We're not even out of August, the cricket season is still on, and yet there are people predicting relegation or a season of struggle. OK...I am a bit of an optimist when it comes to Saints, but when I look through our squad and the squads of other teams in this league, I still believe we have the quality to make the play-offs this year...but saying that I wouldn't complain if we managed to inject some pace into the side before the transfer window closes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyd Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 I would support the manager even if we went down again because I have faith in his ability to build from the shambolic position we have been in. Most of the squad are not League 1 standard, simple as that. When we were in the prem and championship we loaned out youth players to clubs in this division. Now we are in it we cannot play them because they are so poor! Time for us all to wake up and realise it will be a long and difficult road to recovery! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 I would support the manager even if we went down again because I have faith in his ability to build from the shambolic position we have been in. Most of the squad are not League 1 standard, simple as that. When we were in the prem and championship we loaned out youth players to clubs in this division. Now we are in it we cannot play them because they are so poor! Time for us all to wake up and realise it will be a long and difficult road to recovery! I agree with your need for patience. Not sure I agree with that statement though, unless you mean squad in its widest sense (ie all the youth players with a squad number). All of our starting 11 our League One standard at the moment and quite a few would be capable of playing in the Championship (Trottman, Harding, Murty, Davis, Lambert for sure IMO). The problem goes deeper than just the 11 players on the pitch and includes the lack of infrastructure behind the scenes. That said we are making progress and with the players we have we should start winning games soon. From what I've seen of the opposition thus far we are definitely good enough to string a winning streak together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyd Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 I do mean the squad in the wider sense. I think we have about 14 or 15 OK players and and some of them are very good. The problem is depth in squad and the quality of the players on the bench but also the infrastructure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 30 August, 2009 Share Posted 30 August, 2009 I think if people want to see an overnight vast improvement, then that requires a complete overhaul of the squad and perhaps the coaching staff, at all levels, saving only the very best of what was there before Liebherr took over. That doesn't leave many people from last season's bunch. However, if fans are patient, then I expect AP will eventually gel this lot into a team of worth and achievement. I suppose it wouldn't hurt quite so much if the points tally hadn't started in deficit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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