Barry the Badger Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 I honestly cannot believe the number of people starting to call for Pardew to go! How many managers in the last 10 years? and where did it get us? FFS I know it's not great at the moment but I really don't get why do so many people think change will automatically make everything better? We can't just keep scrabbling around changing manager twice a season, sooner or later you have to give a manager a chance to build a proper team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 What do you suggest if results do not improve soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 Here we go.... For every poster saying "Pardew out" there are 25 posters saying "can't believe everyone wants Pardew out etc its disgusting etc etc Alex Ferguson blah blah". The pontificators far outnumber the people that want Pardew out: there's about four on this forum, and Alpine and Delldays aren't on that list. Spare us the moral outrage. Hardly anyone wants Pardew out, but feck me people are allowed to grumble as we are still on minus points in October and staring down the barrel of a relegation battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 Seriously he has sorted so much of this team out, at least we look like winning games. If we are rock bottom by january then fair enough but just no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 We are relegation fodder,i blame him and the players. Sort it,or on yer bike. He's had time now too get things in order but we have moved on very little and learnt nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 10 games in, now is the time to see what he's done. His tactics, starting line ups are bizarre at times. However, i'll give him 5 more games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 Lack of continuity bothers me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintds Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 What do you suggest if results do not improve soon? 6 games unbeaten before tonight and performances improving game after game. We also played well tonight save the last 20 mins and were undone by a strong team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 6 games unbeaten before tonight and performances improving game after game. We also played well tonight save the last 20 mins and were undone by a strong team. Unbeaten but only 1 win....WOW We were also in the lead twice tonight. Dress it up how you like........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilsburydoughboy Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 Seriously he has sorted so much of this team out, at least we look like winning games. If we are rock bottom by january then fair enough but just no LOOK like winning what games?????? We have a team that gets it nose in front and then prances around the field like a bunch of heroes. They have won **** all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 his tactics do seem bizarre at times but as has already been said we have changed enough managers over the last few years and look what good it has done us. The guy didnt even have a pre season so we need to cut him some slack and give him longer than 10 games ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 29 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 29 September, 2009 What do you suggest if results do not improve soon? I suggest that we've tried sacking the manager already a few times in recent history, two of those we got relegated. Lets try sticking with it this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4655531.No_excuses_from_boss_as_Saints_lose/ Pardews thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 Frank Drebin Alan Pardew My immediate thought after the game. Currently talking a very good game; shame his team aren't playing any good ones. Lucky to beat Yeovil, lucky to nick a point against Carlisle and got what we deserved tonight. Don't get me wrong, I really want Pardew to succeed but the doubts are ever growing in mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4655531.No_excuses_from_boss_as_Saints_lose/ Pardews thoughts ...and fair comment! I think Pardew knows that things aren't right. AP and the new owners are here for the long haul and they will get it right, eventually, of that I am sure. It's just a bit frustrating in the mean time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 He's had time now too get things in order but we have moved on very little and learnt nothing. Think about how we played last season, think really hard about how awful we looked game after game after game. Do you really think we have moved on very little from that? ......Honestly? I'm not overly happy with the results we're getting, but I've seen some good things so far this season. There's been little spells (true only little), but there's been little spells of passing the ball about, that in my opinion have been some of the best passing we've seen by a saints team for a few years now. I am worried, but I still think it's a confidence thing the team need to get past. I still think Pardew is the man to sort us out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak-9- Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 1 win in 10 games Worse than at this stage last season Current points ratio worse than all of last season A decent amount of game played Failure to score more than 2 goals in a game 1 goal from open play from our £1 million striker Relegation form See the only argument from the apologists seems to be "but it will get better and you can't KNOW that it won't" Its kind of like the argument for the existence of god - "you can't disprove what i'm saying so therefore it has 50/50 credence with what you're saying" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak-9- Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 Look, of COURSE we all want to stick with a manager but ffs the manager has to be GOOD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 Here we go.... For every poster saying "Pardew out" there are 25 posters saying "can't believe everyone wants Pardew out etc its disgusting etc etc Alex Ferguson blah blah". The pontificators far outnumber the people that want Pardew out: there's about four on this forum, and Alpine and Delldays aren't on that list. Spare us the moral outrage. Hardly anyone wants Pardew out, but feck me people are allowed to grumble as we are still on minus points in October and staring down the barrel of a relegation battle. I am beginning to worry about where our next win is coming from, to be honest. We're like lambs to the slaughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinNY Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 Football is about results, and what results have we achieved under Pardew?? 1 win in 10?? OK, I know all the excuses, but at some point the excuses lose their power, and responsibility has to be taken. It's just a question of when that point comes. Tbf, I was never in favour of Pardew. I've always thought he was overrated as a manager. I hated the way he forced his way out at Reading to go to West Ham: disloyal in the extreme. I thought he underachieved at West Ham: with superior resources to any other club in the CCC he just barely backed into promotion via the playoffs. And West Ham did nothing impressive under him in the Prem, until he was forced out. His period at Charlton was obviously disastrous. I was not at all in favor of him being appointed here. That said, since he's here, I support him. He's made some very good signings, without question. The problem is, with those good signings, and an excellent squad -- arguably one of the best 2 or 3 squads, on paper, in L1 at this point -- why are we still drawing or losing games? Why can we not win? Why can we not score more goals? Why can we not put together a complete game, of 95 minutes of focused, sound football? At what point do we say that it just is not working, that Pardew isn't the right man, that it's time to change while we still have enough games for a new man to turn things around? I'll say, we aren't at that point yet. I'm still backing Pardew to get it done. But I'll also say we are not far from that point. If we don't start winning winnable games within the next few weeks, and showing real progress (progress in terms of results and points that is; not progress of the "well, we played quite well in the first half" variety to excuse another dreary loss or snore draw) -- well, it'll be time for Pardew to go for sure. I'd say end of October is the limit ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 Think about how we played last season, think really hard about how awful we looked game after game after game. Do you really think we have moved on very little from that? ......Honestly? I'm not overly happy with the results we're getting, but I've seen some good things so far this season. There's been little spells (true only little), but there's been little spells of passing the ball about, that in my opinion have been some of the best passing we've seen by a saints team for a few years now. I am worried, but I still think it's a confidence thing the team need to get past. I still think Pardew is the man to sort us out. I think you have answered the question,"i'm not happy,little spells of passing the ball about"....but we still struggle to get 3 points...and at the end of the day that is what matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 What do you suggest if results do not improve soon? What do you suggest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 29 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 29 September, 2009 See the only argument from the apologists seems to be "but it will get better and you can't KNOW that it won't" Its kind of like the argument for the existence of god - "you can't disprove what i'm saying so therefore it has 50/50 credence with what you're saying" No it's not the only argument. In 2004/05 we were struggling towards the bottom of the league, we sacked the manager, what happened next? in 2008/09 we were struggling towards the bottom of the league, we sacked the manager, what happened next? I'm not saying those did not seem like the right decisions at the time, but what good did it do us? Sweet F A thats what. This club has been playing **** now pretty much constantly since Sturrock left, that's Wigley, Redknapp, Burley, Pearson, Portvliet, Wotte and now Pardew who have struggled to get our team to fufil its potential on a consistent basis. Redknapp and Pearson have both had success since then with other clubs. Maybe the problem is not the managers? An analogy for you, which will probably get ripped to shreds but what the hell... If you put an animal in a cage with an electric fence, they may try to get through it a few times at first, but after a while they figure out that there is no point trying to do something which has failed time and time again in the past and ended up with them in pain. Yet the 'Pardew out' gang would probably still be sitting there covered in electrical burns trying to get through it every 10 minutes in the desperate hope that it might eventually work. Let's try something else is all I am saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 I am beginning to worry about where our next win is coming from, to be honest. We're like lambs to the slaughter. I think some 'fans' need to show a little backbone here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 What do you suggest? goodbye pards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 (edited) There has to be a cutoff point,when will it be too late to turn it around? Do we let pardew continue regardless of the outcome because we are supposed to have a 5 year plan or do we get rid and hope that whoever takes the job can do enough to save us from another relegation? Nobody can predict what the outcome will be but if we continue as we have started then relegation it is,if pardew can turn it around and gain about another 50 points from our remaining games then we might just survive. I am not confident that he can get the necessary points but it doesn't matter what I think or believe,the owners must have an idea of how far they will allow him to go,they might even allow him to continue regardless of the outcome......this would be a strange decision and against the odds but if their plan includes another possible relegation then it will be the right decision for them. Personally I think leaving it until January will probably be too late so you might as well let him continue,if we can grab some decent points before Christmas we might have a chance but if the trend continues as it is then the pressure on pardew will be too great. Every saints fan wants the best for us and I think that the majority hopes that pardew gets it right before it's too late but if he can't then it is inevitable that another change will happen. Edited 29 September, 2009 by lordswoodsaints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 If Pardew was to get sacked, then who would want to come in? Have we not learnt our lesson that getting through 13 managers in 10 years has played a part in why we are where we are? Apologies in advance for trying to stay positive, no doubt this will get ripped apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren1 Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 We are the 3rd tier whipping boys and if not careful the 4th team on the South coast. I dont want Pardew out, but I'm getting bloody nervous and cant see this going on for much longer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 No one wants to see the back of Pardew and our managerial merry go round under Lowe was terrible for the club but at some point he has to be held to task for our terrible form. If we continue like this till Xmas we'll have 2-3 wins which will IMO be unnaceptable given the superior resources we have been given relative to our rivals. We will also be in big danger of a 2nd successive relegation. Personally I think he is going into games looking to not lose rather than win. I think 6 points could have been taken at Charlton and Carlisle if he had grown a pair and put 2 up front. It certainly would have taken the pressure off him now. He knows that he can't expect to manage a team with this form and be our manager beyond Xmas. The clock is ticking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 Football is about results, and what results have we achieved under Pardew?? 1 win in 10?? OK, I know all the excuses, but at some point the excuses lose their power, and responsibility has to be taken. It's just a question of when that point comes. Tbf, I was never in favour of Pardew. I've always thought he was overrated as a manager. I hated the way he forced his way out at Reading to go to West Ham: disloyal in the extreme. I thought he underachieved at West Ham: with superior resources to any other club in the CCC he just barely backed into promotion via the playoffs. And West Ham did nothing impressive under him in the Prem, until he was forced out. His period at Charlton was obviously disastrous. I was not at all in favor of him being appointed here. That said, since he's here, I support him. He's made some very good signings, without question. The problem is, with those good signings, and an excellent squad -- arguably one of the best 2 or 3 squads, on paper, in L1 at this point -- why are we still drawing or losing games? Why can we not win? Why can we not score more goals? Why can we not put together a complete game, of 95 minutes of focused, sound football? At what point do we say that it just is not working, that Pardew isn't the right man, that it's time to change while we still have enough games for a new man to turn things around? I'll say, we aren't at that point yet. I'm still backing Pardew to get it done. But I'll also say we are not far from that point. If we don't start winning winnable games within the next few weeks, and showing real progress (progress in terms of results and points that is; not progress of the "well, we played quite well in the first half" variety to excuse another dreary loss or snore draw) -- well, it'll be time for Pardew to go for sure. I'd say end of October is the limit ... +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 Personally if i was Pardew i would listen to a few people on here and think fook it, retire from football all together. Because who the hell would want to be a manager right now? Football has gone crazy (granted in our case it is about 8 people on a forum who have seen Saints play about twice in their life) where everyone expects to win every single game. I remember some guy at Man Utd, i forget his name. The fans were calling for his head because he was lost 6 and drew 2 etc.. they had banners saying "Whats his name out". I wonder whatever happened to that guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 I honestly cannot believe the number of people starting to call for Pardew to go! How many managers in the last 10 years? and where did it get us? FFS I know it's not great at the moment but I really don't get why do so many people think change will automatically make everything better? We can't just keep scrabbling around changing manager twice a season, sooner or later you have to give a manager a chance to build a proper team. I agree, 100%. N.B. From recent reading of this forum I wouldn't go so far as to say St. Lard and St. Stevo are trolls but they certainly do like to post something different to the majority in an, 'Oooohh, look at me everyone' girly type of way. Hence why I don't even bother reading much of what they write. I think they are trying to take over from Alpine and TDD, but at least the latter 2 do make some decent observations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 When we beat Gillingham & Southend we shall see what people say! Keep the faith!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 When we beat Gillingham & Southend we shall see what people say! Keep the faith!!! They won't say anything. We have all been on this website or Saintsforever long enough to know that some people once they have got that negative process going will not revert from it. We could go on to win the remaining games 30-0 and you would not see a single word. But when that winning run ends and we lose they magically re-appear again. That is how it is. Let's make no mistake, Pardew is not untouchable. He is a guy being paid a nice amount of cash to win games. Football is a results business. If as others have mentioned by xmas our results are the same then we have to look at it after all we have to survive relegation at all costs. But most people i think believe that by that time things will have turned around. 10 games in the grand scheme of things is not many games. If after 20 games we still sit in single figures then that is something totally different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 Personally if i was Pardew i would listen to a few people on here and think fook it, retire from football all together. Because who the hell would want to be a manager right now? Football has gone crazy (granted in our case it is about 8 people on a forum who have seen Saints play about twice in their life) where everyone expects to win every single game. I remember some guy at Man Utd, i forget his name. The fans were calling for his head because he was lost 6 and drew 2 etc.. they had banners saying "Whats his name out". I wonder whatever happened to that guy? Ferguson is the name you're looking for. And for every Ferguson there is a hundred Branfoots. And nobody expects to win every game but maybe more than one in ten. Or is that asking too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Will Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 Ferguson is the name you're looking for. And for every Ferguson there is a hundred Branfoots. And nobody expects to win every game but maybe more than one in ten. Or is that asking too much. What you are asking for is something that you can't control, no matter how many new managers or players come in. You just have to judge the performances....if the performances are good, that's all that anybody can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 29 September, 2009 Share Posted 29 September, 2009 Ferguson is the name you're looking for. And for every Ferguson there is a hundred Branfoots. And nobody expects to win every game but maybe more than one in ten. Or is that asking too much. It is a morale, which is if you stick with things then you can get better. Most clubs in england who have done well have adopted this attitude, Man Utd,Arsenal,Liverpool,Everton etc etc Every club will have up's and down's. If you look at it very few teams actually go on to do much better by keep changing their manager. The only club i can think of is Chelsea by getting to Champs League final after getting rid of Grant or whatever his name was. A succesful club is not made over night, it takes time. Is 10 games enough time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oggiee Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 For **** sake can everyone stop over reacting, we are not going to go down this season and we were never going to go up realisticly, AP has sorted out 6 years worth of our problems in a 1/3 of a pre season and less than a quarter of the season. No doubt tonight was a poor result there is no denying that, and yes the results have not been great, but they haven't been disatrous. Nothing to sack a manager on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 goodbye pards unbe****ingbelievable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Ohh and before the boo boys get on the bandwagon, lets just realise where we're at and how lucky we are. Before you spout off - really think about where we are 'at' compared to the last few seasons, keep thinking.................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Personally if i was Pardew i would listen to a few people on here and think fook it, retire from football all together. Because who the hell would want to be a manager right now? Football has gone crazy (granted in our case it is about 8 people on a forum who have seen Saints play about twice in their life) where everyone expects to win every single game. I remember some guy at Man Utd, i forget his name. The fans were calling for his head because he was lost 6 and drew 2 etc.. they had banners saying "Whats his name out". I wonder whatever happened to that guy? To be honest any manager reading this forum would be crazy to think about managing this club. There are IMO 2 outstanding teams in this league and in this case the table doesn't lie as they are the top 2. Then we have some bunch of no hopers in 3rd, what a load of cobblers on this board as always. Fickle doesn't even come close TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 unbe****ingbelievable Not on here it's not ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 For **** sake can everyone stop over reacting, we are not going to go down this season and we were never going to go up realisticly, AP has sorted out 6 years worth of our problems in a 1/3 of a pre season and less than a quarter of the season. No doubt tonight was a poor result there is no denying that, and yes the results have not been great, but they haven't been disatrous. Nothing to sack a manager on. Fortunately he will not be sacked, those who run the club know better and thankfully don't have the IQ of an ant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 It is a morale, which is if you stick with things then you can get better. Most clubs in england who have done well have adopted this attitude, Man Utd,Arsenal,Liverpool,Everton etc etc Every club will have up's and down's. If you look at it very few teams actually go on to do much better by keep changing their manager. The only club i can think of is Chelsea by getting to Champs League final after getting rid of Grant or whatever his name was. A succesful club is not made over night, it takes time. Is 10 games enough time? And one we used to follow and no coincidence I believe the decline really kicked in after we kept chopping and changing managers. 10 games is not enough under normal circumstances, only an idiot would suggest there was anything normal about our circumstances when Pardew took over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 I am beginning to worry about where our next win is coming from, to be honest. We're like lambs to the slaughter. No we're not, you fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 goodbye pards And then what? Tony Adams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Personally if i was Pardew i would listen to a few people on here and think fook it, retire from football all together. Then Marcus and Nick wouldnt have to pay compensation at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 For **** sake can everyone stop over reacting, we are not going to go down this season and we were never going to go up realisticly, AP has sorted out 6 years worth of our problems in a 1/3 of a pre season and less than a quarter of the season. No doubt tonight was a poor result there is no denying that, and yes the results have not been great, but they haven't been disatrous. Nothing to sack a manager on. amen to that, the usual sack them after 2 games brigade will never change. just let them have their rant . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Fortunately he will not be sacked, those who run the club know better and thankfully don't have the IQ of an ant. sums them up i say;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 30 September, 2009 Share Posted 30 September, 2009 Frank Drebin Alan Pardew My immediate thought after the game. Currently talking a very good game; shame his team aren't playing any good ones. Lucky to beat Yeovil, lucky to nick a point against Carlisle? and got what we deserved tonight. Don't get me wrong, I really want Pardew to succeed but the doubts are ever growing in mind... Were you at those games?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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