david in sweden Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 a few weeks back Spurs' Gomes had a spill from his MC, and is out indefinitely. Down the M27 David James has been unfit for some time..then we had our own Kelvin Davis out injured (this is not meant to be a criticism about using Bart btw) and now I read that Ipswich's Richard Wright is injured and going to be out for 4 months.....but the FA are refusing to allow Ipswich to loan in a keeper as they have 2 other keepers on their books. I'm sure Ipswich would argue (as many other clubs) that someone who plays occasional Reserve football - or even in the youth side, is not necessarily qualified to stand in first team games - especially considering Ipswich's league position - it's a double blow for them. There is certainly a shortage of experienced keepers, and its good they're around and often come in and give cover for a shorter time. Is this another case of the FA interpreting the rules to suit themselves, or.. ?....and is it unfair on Ipswich.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 I don't think it's unfair. If they only had a 15 year old left or something, then maybe. But is it any different to us playing Bart at the minute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 If they're not prepared to pick them for the team, why pay them in the first place ? There are plenty around who could be picked up on emergency loan and the FA/FL/whoever wouldn't be able to refuse if there was no alternative. There's little point in developing keepers from youth as they who tend to get better in their late 20s and 30s anyway. I'm going to set up a goalie academy in Spain for emergency loanees, who's in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 I don't think it's unfair. If they only had a 15 year old left or something, then maybe. But is it any different to us playing Bart at the minute? Bart has League experience at a higher level already and was de facto first choice ahead of Kelvin at the end of the 2006/7 season before the Pride Park play-off, not sure if this is the case for Ipswich's reserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 Bart has League experience at a higher level already and was de facto first choice ahead of Kelvin at the end of the 2006/7 season before the Pride Park play-off, not sure if this is the case for Ipswich's reserves. Ipswich's reserve goalie has played quite a few games. He only joined Ipswich in August, was first choice at Hartlepool for a while. He's played in more matches than Bart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 I thought Ipswich had a skate GK on loan who was previously keeping Wright out. The FA's argument would be that if clubs can afford to retain 4 GK's then they should be prepared to play them.In our case we might have to contend with Forecast if BB is injured or fouls up in the next few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 ..what is Kasey Keller doing these days anyway ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 a few weeks back Spurs' Gomes had a spill from his MC, and is out indefinitely. I think you will find it was Carlo Cudicini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 I thought Ipswich had a skate GK on loan who was previously keeping Wright out. . Went back to cover for James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 Ipswich's reserve goalie has played quite a few games. He only joined Ipswich in August, was first choice at Hartlepool for a while. He's played in more matches than Bart. Just Soccerbased him : Arran Lee-Barrett (his parents' spelling not mine), 55 League games and 5 FA Cup matches for Hartlepool in the last couple of seasons - but the backup to him (and thus sitting on the bench) is a trainee with no appearances at all. Let's hope they don't have to play any reserve or youth fixtures on first team match days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 Went back to cover for James Begovic - actually played for the Skates on Saturday in the league as well. I can see why Ipswich would want cover if they'd just lost two keepers in succession including one recalled from loan who must have been in their plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 ..what is Kasey Keller doing these days anyway ? Playing for Paul Allen's Seattle Sounders in MLS - though the post-season play-offs finished last week, so he's not actually doing anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 They're probably over-training for the role, it used to be good enough to do a few stretches against the goalpost just before ko and a good old rub of the beer belly to settle any flatulence form the pre-match pint. They're all becoming too bloody precious by half. What's there to do except pick the ball out of the net from time to time and chat to the blokes behind the goal? All that diving around nonsense never happened before high definition telephoto lenses became 'de rigeur'. That Derby bloke Bywater now he looks and sounds like a real goalie, spends his time with other blokes wives whilst their out training rather than shifting weights and running around the training pitch like headless chicken. That's why he's up for it on match days. Get off your Rrse Kelvin and get back out there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 Begovic - actually played for the Skates on Saturday in the league as well. I can see why Ipswich would want cover if they'd just lost two keepers in succession including one recalled from loan who must have been in their plans. Agree,that does tend to put a different light on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nutkins Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 Just Soccerbased him : Arran Lee-Barrett (his parents' spelling not mine), 55 League games and 5 FA Cup matches for Hartlepool in the last couple of seasons - but the backup to him (and thus sitting on the bench) is a trainee with no appearances at all. Let's hope they don't have to play any reserve or youth fixtures on first team match days... That is a very good point,they would argue that the team would be forced into having no goalkeeper on the bench, which of course is another debatable topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 Jthe backup to him (and thus sitting on the bench) is a trainee with no appearances at all. Whereas our bench goalie (Forecast) has played 4 games in his career, all on loan this season at Grimsby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Banana Factor Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 If they're not prepared to pick them for the team, why pay them in the first place ? There are plenty around who could be picked up on emergency loan and the FA/FL/whoever wouldn't be able to refuse if there was no alternative. There's little point in developing keepers from youth as they who tend to get better in their late 20s and 30s anyway. I'm going to set up a goalie academy in Spain for emergency loanees, who's in? Im there!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 Im there!! Your problem is injuries, not ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 Whereas our bench goalie (Forecast) has played 4 games in his career, all on loan this season at Grimsby. But we may be (?) able to recall Poke who has more League experience at Torquay, if necessary. Not sure as I can't recall if he's got a season-long loan or not. We also have Pernecky for reserve duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 But we may be (?) able to recall Poke who has more League experience at Torquay, if necessary. Not sure as I can't recall if he's got a season-long loan or not. We also have Pernecky for reserve duties. Poke's on loan until Jan 2nd. We tried to re-call him (emergency) when KD got injured but wasn't allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 I'm sure Ipswich would argue (as many other clubs) that someone who plays occasional Reserve football - or even in the youth side, is not necessarily qualified to stand in first team games - especially considering Ipswich's league position - it's a double blow for them. Well then they shouldn't employ them. You don't buy a reserve keeper to fill up the squad sheet, at some point or other they're going to be needed in the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 As with a few of you, I'm actually on the side of the League on this one. Clubs try to take advantage of this emergency loan dispensation. If a club steadfastly refuses to play any reserve 'keepers and then when the main 'keeper gets injured, they cannot say the reserve keepers don't have the experience. The answer is to give the reserves experience so they have the confidence if called on to play a run of games. Putting aside that we have a roster of keepers currently so we are not troubled ... any club should have 3 or 4 keepers and ensure they get match practice, as this is one position where 'make do's' don't work. On this subject, I'd like to see Forecast getting match practice (even if playing in the reserves) if he is the bench keeper to Bart. Pernecky looks capable, but Forecast is making the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 a few weeks back Spurs' Gomes had a spill from his MC, and is out indefinitely. .....but the FA are refusing to allow Ipswich to loan in a keeper as they have 2 other keepers on their books. Is this another case of the FA interpreting the rules to suit themselves, or.. ?....and is it unfair on Ipswich.? Firstly, it is the Football League, not the FA who have made the decision. It goes against the grain somewhat, but in this case the Football league are absolutely spot on with this decision. It would be an absolute disgrace if Ipswich were allowed to bring in another keeper when they already have 2 other professional keepers available, what is the point of employing 3 professional keepers and then when one gets injured implying that the other 2 are not good enough. If I was Arran Lee-Barratt I would be pretty upset that Ipswich even considered this. The loan would only have been for December as they can sign another keeper in Jan anyway. If Ipswich think they do not have adequate cover then that is entirely their fault and just down to bad management (did Keane let any keepers go at the start of the season, he seems to have got rid of a lot of other good players). It was also Cudicini that fell off his bike, not Gomes. Also Torquay have been denied permission by Saints to play Poke in the FA Cup so it would not surprise me if he was recalled in Jan as cover for Bart if KD's injury looks like being longer term than currently thought. I believe we also have another keeper (Pernicky?) if needed. I think long term Poke is the more likely backup to KD and Bart than Forecast, Poke is currently getting some invaluable football league experience with the Gulls - a clean sheet last game shows he is also continuing to do well one level below us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 a Down the M27 David James has been unfit for some time..... Yeah....about 20 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsent Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 a few weeks back Spurs' Gomes had a spill from his MC, and is out indefinitely. Down the M27 David James has been unfit for some time..then we had our own Kelvin Davis out injured (this is not meant to be a criticism about using Bart btw) and now I read that Ipswich's Richard Wright is injured and going to be out for 4 months.....but the FA are refusing to allow Ipswich to loan in a keeper as they have 2 other keepers on their books. I'm sure Ipswich would argue (as many other clubs) that someone who plays occasional Reserve football - or even in the youth side, is not necessarily qualified to stand in first team games - especially considering Ipswich's league position - it's a double blow for them. There is certainly a shortage of experienced keepers, and its good they're around and often come in and give cover for a shorter time. Is this another case of the FA interpreting the rules to suit themselves, or.. ?....and is it unfair on Ipswich.? The likelihood is that any goalie they would get on loan would also be a reserve with limited recent first team action. Why is that any different to Ipswich playing their reserve goalie ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 The likelihood is that any goalie they would get on loan would also be a reserve with limited recent first team action. Why is that any different to Ipswich playing their reserve goalie ? He might be a Premier League keeper with limited recent action, but 15 years' worth of experience. I think the issue here is that with Lee-wotsit in goal and A. Trainee on the bench (I've already forgotten their names), they can't play any other matches at the same time and with them having to cover reserve and youth games as well might be risking more keeper injuries. Speaking of which, as Begovic has been playing for the Skates recently, am I to assume A(ge)ntti Niemi is "injured" again too ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 Poke's on loan until Jan 2nd. We tried to re-call him (emergency) when KD got injured but wasn't allowed. Ta for clarifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 He might be a Premier League keeper with limited recent action, but 15 years' worth of experience. I think the issue here is that with Lee-wotsit in goal and A. Trainee on the bench (I've already forgotten their names), they can't play any other matches at the same time and with them having to cover reserve and youth games as well might be risking more keeper injuries. Speaking of which, as Begovic has been playing for the Skates recently, am I to assume A(ge)ntti Niemi is "injured" again too ? He was injured when he went there, Coles convinced Hart to sign him so he could get free surgery on his elbow. FACT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 He was injured when he went there, Coles convinced Hart to sign him so he could get free surgery on his elbow. FACT. Good use of FACT there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 Good use of FACT there. Tis a fact. I've spoken to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyd Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 There is a lack of quality english GK's and the FL and FA are right to insist young players get a chance instead of the easy loan option. How else will they develop? It is hard enough for GK's as only one can play in the team at any one time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 He might be a Premier League keeper with limited recent action, but 15 years' worth of experience. I think the issue here is that with Lee-wotsit in goal and A. Trainee on the bench (I've already forgotten their names), they can't play any other matches at the same time and with them having to cover reserve and youth games as well might be risking more keeper injuries. Speaking of which, as Begovic has been playing for the Skates recently, am I to assume A(ge)ntti Niemi is "injured" again too ? I'm pretty sure they will have enough 'keepers to fill youth games. That won't be an issue at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 3 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 December, 2009 I think you will find it was Carlo Cudicini. thank you I stand corrected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 I'm pretty sure they will have enough 'keepers to fill youth games. That won't be an issue at all. Are you "pretty sure", or as confident as you appear in the next statement when you outright claim it won't be an issue ? I haven't checked (yet), by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 3 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 December, 2009 Firstly, it is the Football League, not the FA who have made the decision. It goes against the grain somewhat, but in this case the Football league are absolutely spot on with this decision. It would be an absolute disgrace if Ipswich were allowed to bring in another keeper when they already have 2 other professional keepers available, what is the point of employing 3 professional keepers and then when one gets injured implying that the other 2 are not good enough. If I was Arran Lee-Barratt I would be pretty upset that Ipswich even considered this. The loan would only have been for December as they can sign another keeper in Jan anyway. If Ipswich think they do not have adequate cover then that is entirely their fault and just down to bad management (did Keane let any keepers go at the start of the season, he seems to have got rid of a lot of other good players). It was also Cudicini that fell off his bike, not Gomes. Also Torquay have been denied permission by Saints to play Poke in the FA Cup so it would not surprise me if he was recalled in Jan as cover for Bart if KD's injury looks like being longer term than currently thought. I believe we also have another keeper (Pernicky?) if needed. I think long term Poke is the more likely backup to KD and Bart than Forecast, Poke is currently getting some invaluable football league experience with the Gulls - a clean sheet last game shows he is also continuing to do well one level below us. Thanks for pointing out those errors, Vectis of course its the FL not FA...and I must have still been half asleep this morning as someone else has also pointed out the injured Spurs keeper was .......Cudicini! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 Did Wycombe buy their 'keeper in Poundland? Truly shocking; was he their regular first choice gk, a reserve maybe, the team coach driver, somebody's dad, a fan who won the shirt in a raffle? I think we should be told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madsent Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 Did Wycombe buy their 'keeper in Poundland? Truly shocking; was he their regular first choice gk, a reserve maybe, the team coach driver, somebody's dad, a fan who won the shirt in a raffle? I think we should be told. Is that the same goalie who was voted as their man-of-the-match by the Wycombe fans? We totally dominated them and scored 1 goal. He made a double save and kept them in the game while their defenders were all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 Is that the same goalie who was voted as their man-of-the-match by the Wycombe fans? We totally dominated them and scored 1 goal. He made a double save and kept them in the game while their defenders were all over the place. We did also lamp two belters straight at him when it was easier to score, which can't have hurt his case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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