Matthew Le God Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 He hasn't had much luck! Lloyd James/Wayne Thomas back to right back then. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4788183.Murty_out_for_six_weeks/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 FAO People who don't think we need a new right back in January: We need a new right back in January. I'll just correct this minor grammatical error. He hasn't got much time until he is 36 years old! Lloyd James/Wayne Thomas back to right back then. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4788183.Murty_out_for_six_weeks/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 One word can sum this up..................... bugger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 I think its fair to say that he has had the best of his playing days now. Its a shame for him but we need a new right back now, hopefully we can buy the best this divison has to offer at right back in January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 I'm sure the usual suspects on here will moan about Lloyd James covering him at right back but I'm sure he can do a good job in Murtys absense. Such a shame for Murty and I agree we should be looking to sign a new right back in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 (edited) I think its fair to say that he has had the best of his playing days now. Its a shame for him but we need a new right back now, hopefully we can buy the best this divison has to offer at right back in January Hes just been injured for 6 weeks Edited 10 December, 2009 by saint_bert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Hes just got injured for 6 weeks +1. Really bad news although atleast we have the squad depth to cover it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Hes just got injured for 6 weeks I realise that but he seems to be very injury prone and he isnt getting any younger at 35. If he is going to be out up to 6 weeks each time he gets a knock we will need a replacement. Even after we signed him I think he was recovering from an injury so it definitely looks as though he as got more fragile with age. Not that 35 is old but in footballing terms its near retirement age, the legs slow down and you get more aches and pain etc.. So I am told as I haven't quite reached that age myself yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Merde!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 I realise that but he seems to be very injury prone and he isnt getting any younger at 35. If he is going to be out up to 6 weeks each time he gets a knock we will need a replacement. Even after we signed him I think he was recovering from an injury so it definitely looks as though he as got more fragile with age. Not that 35 is old but in footballing terms its near retirement age, the legs slow down and you get more aches and pain etc.. So I am told as I haven't quite reached that age myself yet Was just refering to your point about buying the best the division has at RB In my opinion he is the best RB in L1. Have to cope with second best then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 What good RBs are there in league 1 we could snap up...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 I agree we need a new right back. As Arizona said he is nearly 36 years old, and I feel Lloyd James, despite putting in some decent performances recently, does not have the credentials to cement his place as RB for the rest of the season. Thomas could do a job, but again, he isn't really an out-and-out RB and so lacks some of the necessary attributes to shine in that position. Thinking of replacements; Nathan Thompson, Swindon's RB, was reported to be interesting Arsenal, Everton, Newcastle and Spurs last February but nothing as come of it and he is still at Swindon. I don't know much about him though. Can't really think of any more. Interestingly, it has been said Norwich are after a right back too, cos they only have one recognised right back at the club, and have had to have had left backs playing there recently due to injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 December, 2009 (edited) Arizona, Pardew may well buy a right back in January. However James is more than good enough to cover Murty for 6 weeks. When Murty is back he will do a great job in this league. He may well get injured again but then James/Thomas can fill in again. If however we do sign a new right back in January that would mean we are potentially paying Murty's wage (which for League One will be high) and also the new right back who will want to be starting. No point imo when we have 3 right backs more than good enough already to get promotion. Better to save the cash and wait until we are in the Championship and then buy a new right back. In January the priority should be a new striker to cover Lambert/Connolly, a centre back and perhaps a defensive midfielder to replace Wotton/give James competition when Saints play 451. Edited 10 December, 2009 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 I'll get shot down for this I'm sure, but I'd quite like to see Grégory Vignal back... I think he's on a season loan to Birmingham, but Lens look like the would sell if the price was right? Any takers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 December, 2009 I'll get shot down for this I'm sure, but I'd quite like to see Grégory Vignal back... I think he's on a season loan to Birmingham, but Lens look like the would sell if the price was right? Any takers? Relevant? Vignal is a left footed left back on big wages. Murty is a right footed right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Neither James nor Thomas are right backs. James is a half decent midfielder, Thomas is a half decent centre half. Both could fill in at RB in an emergency, but neither is a solution to our problem. James is not more than good enough. I can think of at least two goals when he was directly at fault. If it were Bart or Kelvin at fault we'd all be howling for them to be replaced. I will also stick my neck out and say this wont be Murty's last injury this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Pretty big blow. We knew he had injury problems when we signed him. I still think he's got an important part to play this season. He's had great performances since he's been back. Oh well, James back to RB. Onwards and upwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Interestingly, it has been said Norwich are after a right back too, cos they only have one recognised right back at the club, and have had to have had left backs playing there recently due to injuries. Maybe we could agree to play 10 a side in the JPT It's a big shame for James as well, he seemed to have been playing well in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 James is really too slow and leaves us open to counter attack. I prefer Thomas there but I don't think it will happen. I wonder what Wotton would be like. Pardew may be tempted not to spend money on a right back when there are other permanent priorities. We know there is money available but Murty is a decent player and I think Pardew may well gamble on his fitness. I think another alternative would be either a quick centre back who could fill in or a holding defensive midfield player who could play right back. I see Nicky Butt is looking for a regular game but I think his demands would be far too high even if he would drop down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Bugger it ! Its all very well people making statements about "the usual suspects" having a pop at Lloyd James playing right back but its not a pop it is a blatant fact - the boy is NOT a right back and if up against anyone who is half decent that is shown up big time. Why do you think that AP put Murty back at the earliest opportunity ? Its not fair on James to play him there. If the opposition dont play with much width then we get away with it, if they do they have a lovely old time against him. The biggest shame is the Murty / James partnership down the right had promise. I would leave James in midfield and play Wayne Thomas at right back myself.....but what do I know ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 James is really too slow and leaves us open to counter attack. I prefer Thomas there but I don't think it will happen. I wonder what Wotton would be like. Played there pre-season against Bournemouth and he was pretty poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Played there pre-season against Bournemouth and he was pretty poor. In fairness everyone was pretty poor against Bournemouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Played there pre-season against Bournemouth and he was pretty poor. I didn't see it, I also wonder what Aaron Martin or Neil Trotman/Perry would play like there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Faz Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Neither James nor Thomas are right backs. James is a half decent midfielder, Thomas is a half decent centre half. Both could fill in at RB in an emergency, but neither is a solution to our problem. James is not more than good enough. I can think of at least two goals when he was directly at fault. If it were Bart or Kelvin at fault we'd all be howling for them to be replaced. I will also stick my neck out and say this wont be Murty's last injury this season. Agree, been a problem position for us all season, as you say, neither James or Thomas are specialist at RB- and have different weaknesses. Personally I prefer Thomas over James. We need a proper right back asap in Jan, as it doesnt appear that Murty will play enough games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Thomas would be a better option defensively at right back and leave James in midfield where he is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 The OS does say significant ligament damage and out until the new year. May not be 6 weeks but these things usually drag on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Division South Days Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 If it's a choice between Thomas and James i'd go for Thomas everytime. Did he not come from Burnley where I thought most of the time he played at RB. Leave James in midfield where he is now starting to look a very good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 What about Moritz Volz? Still unattached, not sure why, always thought he was a decent player and can certainly do a job in this league and the championship when we get there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 What about Moritz Volz? Still unattached, not sure why, always thought he was a decent player and can certainly do a job in this league and the championship when we get there Im sure he has got a serious injury or something but had said he would be looking for a club once the injury has gone, that was a few months ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Volz is only 26 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Bugger. There are 5 games to go before January and we certainly can't put James back in there. I used to play right back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 James is really too slow and leaves us open to counter attack. I prefer Thomas there but I don't think it will happen. I wonder what Wotton would be like. Pardew may be tempted not to spend money on a right back when there are other permanent priorities. We know there is money available but Murty is a decent player and I think Pardew may well gamble on his fitness. I think another alternative would be either a quick centre back who could fill in or a holding defensive midfield player who could play right back. I see Nicky Butt is looking for a regular game but I think his demands would be far too high even if he would drop down. A cross between a statue and a donkey, I suspect ! Today's full back has to have a semblance of pace otherwise he'll get skinned alive by any 'up and coming' young lad who runs at him ! This is basically LJ's problem in this position, he can't turn and recover quickly enough ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzmeister Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Where does Voltz play - isnt he out of contract. Or what about Darren Kenton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 This is basically LJ's problem in this position, he can't turn and recover quickly enough ! Plus he has no positional sense in that position. Besides, we'd miss his presence in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Where does Voltz play - isnt he out of contract. Or what about Darren Kenton? I've changed my mind. James is fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Where does Voltz play - isnt he out of contract. Or what about Darren Kenton? He's a right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Oh well. Sign a RB in january then please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 (edited) Voltz has been injured (groin), is currently unsigned and training in London http://www.volzy.com/diary.html He sounds quite positive about his career, and I found his blog an interesting read... Edited 10 December, 2009 by Joensuu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Or what about Darren Kenton? Are you joking? I hope for your sake you are He is playing in the USA for a "high quality" team called Rochester Rhinos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzmeister Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Are you joking? I hope for your sake you are He is playing in the USA for a "high quality" team called Rochester Rhinos. To keep face I am going to say a big yes - to be fair I know little about him apart from on one season's FM he was good - and thus I'm blaming that, and of course my origonal post on you The main point was Volts, had a read of his blog and I think he could do a job, seems to be getting his fittness back and wouldnt be a bad shout to get him training with us on traial for a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 That's a real pig ,we have 3 players on 4 cards already and now we have to play 5 or 6 games with stand in right back again, including Leeds and Colchester. The squad is big enough but a lot of the "cover" isn't really viable. Personally I'd try to sign an out of contract right back, but looking back at the Mettomo fiasco you'd have to wonder if it would be the right choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Real shame about Murty AP will now know he has to look at this position in Jan. As for now would prefer to see Thomas at RB & leave James in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 That's a real pig ,we have 3 players on 4 cards already and now we have to play 5 or 6 games with stand in right back again, including Leeds and Colchester. The squad is big enough but a lot of the "cover" isn't really viable. Personally I'd try to sign an out of contract right back, but looking back at the Mettomo fiasco you'd have to wonder if it would be the right choice. Who are the players on 4 cards? Jaidi, James, Harding and ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumush Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 The big loss here is Murty's presence on the field of play. Yes we have a couple of players who could play right back but he adds much more to the team by just being on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Who are the players on 4 cards? Jaidi, James, Harding and ? Hammond, that makes 4, one more than I thought, which is even worse. If we have a bad tempered game we could end up with 2 or 3 players suspended at once.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 I can't think of any reason why Chris Perry wouldn't make a good right back - certainly in away games against decent sides. Likewise Wayne Thomas. At home there shouldn't be a problem with playing James. Whilst it would be good to have a permanent solution in place asap I think it might be left until next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Hammond, that makes 4, one more than I thought, which is even worse. If we have a bad tempered game we could end up with 2 or 3 players suspended at once.. As well as Murty out, that's when Pardew starts to earn his money. Don't think it would be a huge problem against the majority of teams in this league but we just happen to be playing the best two teams after Tranmere. Wouldn't like to go into either of those games with Jaidi and Hammond, no so fussed about James and Harding but the other two are vital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 Hammond, that makes 4, one more than I thought, which is even worse. If we have a bad tempered game we could end up with 2 or 3 players suspended at once.. That could work out better though... you never know. Might be better to have all 4 suspended against Leeds and lose that than to have key players missing over a succession of games. Obviously this is something that, over a league season, it is quite hard to manage but I wonder if players who get booked this Saturday could get their suspension out of the away against Norwich... hmmm!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 I can't think of any reason why Chris Perry wouldn't make a good right back - certainly in away games against decent sides. Likewise Wayne Thomas. At home there shouldn't be a problem with playing James. Whilst it would be good to have a permanent solution in place asap I think it might be left until next summer. I think we need a full back who can get up the line and cross, we play pretty simple football but it really does involve the full backs supporting the winger and getting the ball into the box. Thomas could probably do a job, I'd still prefer James there though with Waigo infront of him. If Waigo puts in a shift and doesn't leave James exposed it spouldn't be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 10 December, 2009 Share Posted 10 December, 2009 I think we need a full back who can get up the line and cross, we play pretty simple football but it really does involve the full backs supporting the winger and getting the ball into the box. Thomas could probably do a job, I'd still prefer James there though with Waigo infront of him. If Waigo puts in a shift and doesn't leave James exposed it spouldn't be a problem. Thomas did a good job at Stockport earlier in the season, and even made some great overlaps but having said that Stockport were dire and of little threat going wide. Also with Thommo in the full back position against a nippy winger you'd get the feeling that a penalty is in the post :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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