What would people think of Cortese if.....

[Thedelldays]

he moved pardew on between now and the start of next season..?

 

would you boycott..?

would you agree...?

would you hold him in the same light as Rupes..?

would you still think he should not bring in a DoF to make these choices..?

 

after reading many reactions on here those who we all know do have connections within the club have been dropping hints that all is not rosey at SFC with the poor form of late...and it seems we are starting to go backwards..

 

like it or not, spending the huge amount of money we have means bigger expectations...and right now, we dont have a clue of the manager knows his starting 11 or tactics..

 

(I have to write the next bit as people will wet themselves)

 

I hope NC sticks with pards as I DO think he is a good manager..

 

but NC is not a football man and many who would know say he demands instant results..

 

 

interesting.....

[landford.saint]

what a stupid bleeding question.... All those moaning whinging muppets on here had better get a grip on reality. Over the last few seasons I as many other poor sods on here have paid for our season tickets. and been dished up with utter cr@p from a managment team that cared nothing for the fans... We have watched dire football by kids, loanees, and journeyman footballers... At last we have a managment team that give all the signs of knowing who the club is really about, The Fans. This season we started on minus ten points, and started with the remnants of last seasons bag of losers... we have progressed so far in the last few months, with good quality signings. True the last few matches have seen a drop in form, the transformation of the club mentality and ethos has been incredible. Please all you moaners and whingers out there get a grip on reality...

[Wiltshire Saint]

Almost as interesting as the other threads on the matter. Why do you feel the need to start a new one? Is it because there are a few other people on here who have also seemingly lost the plot and are making the sort of silly statements normally reserved for you? Are you scared people won't notice your nonsense and moaning amongst all the the other nonsense and moaning?

 

Just a couple of points:

1. Who are these people who you claim say NC demands instant results? Are they real people or people you have made up? Or are they real people who have made it up themselves and you just believe them?

 

2. If you think AP is a good manager, why do you take every opportunity to moan and slag him off?

 

When we started the season I was very doubtful we would get into the play-offs. Then when we struggled to get points after the first handful of games I was more convinced we would be a L1 side next year. Then we went on a run and there was an outside chance we would get into the play-offs. Now that seems unlikely, so we'll have to wait till next year. I am sure next season things will be better. The players would have played together a lot longer, AP will have a clearer idea of the best team and hopefully we would have trimmed the squad as it is too big right now. Next season, if things are like they are now, then I would be concerned, but right now I am not and don't think anyone else should be.

 

There, I could have put that on any thread on the main board, but I'll put it on yours TDD, because you love the drama. You may, of course, now respond with "but this is message board, we are allowed to have different opinions, this place is for discussion, it's ony the internet...." and all the other stuff you normally come out with when someone dares to point out a few things. Alternatively, you could reply with "troll" or "go away Tiggs" like you also do quite often.

[mancsaint]

"I hope NC sticks with pards as I DO think he is a good manager.."

 

So why the hell are you raising the question?

It's all pie in the sky and pointless.

We have been one of the biggest spenders recently, it takes a while to gel and this is a consolidation season, for God's sake, for the moment, accept we have a club to support.

Will people stop finding negative things to say.

 

Mancsaint

[shurlock]

Almost as interesting as the other threads on the matter. Why do you feel the need to start a new one? Is it because there are a few other people on here who have also seemingly lost the plot and are making the sort of silly statements normally reserved for you? Are you scared people won't notice your nonsense and moaning amongst all the the other nonsense and moaning?

 

Just a couple of points:

1. Who are these people who you claim say NC demands instant results? Are they real people or people you have made up? Or are they real people who have made it up themselves and you just believe them?

 

2. If you think AP is a good manager, why do you take every opportunity to moan and slag him off?

 

When we started the season I was very doubtful we would get into the play-offs. Then when we struggled to get points after the first handful of games I was more convinced we would be a L1 side next year. Then we went on a run and there was an outside chance we would get into the play-offs. Now that seems unlikely, so we'll have to wait till next year. I am sure next season things will be better. The players would have played together a lot longer, AP will have a clearer idea of the best team and hopefully we would have trimmed the squad as it is too big right now. Next season, if things are like they are now, then I would be concerned, but right now I am not and don't think anyone else should be.

 

There, I could have put that on any thread on the main board, but I'll put it on yours TDD, because you love the drama. You may, of course, now respond with "but this is message board, we are allowed to have different opinions, this place is for discussion, it's ony the internet...." and all the other stuff you normally come out with when someone dares to point out a few things. Alternatively, you could reply with "troll" or "go away Tiggs" like you also do quite often.

 

+1.

 

But of course DD thinks NC should stick with Pards as he thinks Pards is doing a good job yet still thinks its necessary to start a thread on the question. Don't get it.

 

But DD would respond that he's only a poor lightening rod, a man of the people, selflessly trying to reflect all views in the community, especially minority views. Forget the coincidence that he happens to endorse those views nine times of ten. :smt052

[Thedelldays]

if you are not going to respond to the questions posed in the OP then please do not post.

 

thanks

[shurlock]

...and why not show a bit of self-restraint by not starting a new thread on the subject?

[Thedelldays]

...and why not show a bit of self-restraint by not starting a new thread on the subject?

because it is a message board and a fair few people are starting to wonder what is going on with regards to the first team....not loads but a few..?

 

add the guardian article where pardew himself claims he has to go ot the chairman and explain when we dont play well and the pressure is really on him...

 

if you dont like the thread then ignore it...enough people ignore it, the quicker it drops off the page...

[alpine_saint]

if you are not going to respond to the questions posed in the OP then please do not post.

 

thanks

 

Aye. The reaction to this thread is completely bizarre.

[benjii]

It is pointless though.

 

If Cortese moves Pardew on between now and the end of the season then what people think about it will be interesting.

 

It isn't now.

[Clifford Nelson]

I don't think it is the end of the world to play L1 one more year, but what is concerning is our inability to dominate games. It wouldn't guarantee wins, but asserting ourselves on the pitch makes it easier. The team had the confidence to do that a while back, but has lost it again. As I view the games I'm not sure what they have been sent out there to do, or maybe more to the point 'how' to do it. As a result we are repeatedly playing at the level of the opposition, or worse, we are being dominated by teams without our individual quality, but they are doing what they are doing since years back.

 

Shouting, or in other ways trying to inspire the individual players, will not improve this. What is needed is a certainty from management of how we are to play football. To change formation in the middle of games doesn't help to convince the players that we are doing the right things.

 

Lack of confidence has crept in amongst the players; we can see it on the way the team plays; and so we lose our confidence as well. Changing AP is not necessarily going to change that, but there is a risk that NC thinks in those terms, since he has got management background, rather than a football one.

 

Ask yourself why the best managers always assert a way of playing the game.

[benjii]

I don't think it is the end of the world to play L1 one more year, but what is concerning is our inability to dominate games. It wouldn't guarantee wins, but asserting ourselves on the pitch makes it easier. The team had the confidence to do that a while back, but has lost it again. As I view the games I'm not sure what they have been sent out there to do, or maybe more to the point 'how' to do it. As a result we are repeatedly playing at the level of the opposition, or worse, we are being dominated by teams without our individual quality, but they are doing what they are doing since years back.

 

Shouting, or in other ways trying to inspire the individual players, will not improve this. What is needed is a certainty from management of how we are to play football. To change formation in the middle of games doesn't help to convince the players that we are doing the right things.

 

Lack of confidence has crept in amongst the players; we can see it on the way the team plays; and so we lose our confidence as well. Changing AP is not necessarily going to change that, but there is a risk that NC thinks in those terms, since he has got management background, rather than a football one.

 

Ask yourself why the best managers always assert a way of playing the game.

 

I agree in as much as we have been unable to dominate in some matches. I don't think its anything indemic or structurally deficient though, I just think it's a combination of not quite having the right mix yet (ie central midfield), fluctuating form and having to play at sub-standard bogs like yesterday.

 

I think we have dominated some matches recently. MK Dons away in the first leg, for example. One of the best Saints performances in years. We controlled the whole match and made them look silly.

[Windmill Arm 2]

he moved pardew on between now and the start of next season..?

 

would you boycott..?

would you agree...?

would you hold him in the same light as Rupes..?

would you still think he should not bring in a DoF to make these choices..?

 

after reading many reactions on here those who we all know do have connections within the club have been dropping hints that all is not rosey at SFC with the poor form of late...and it seems we are starting to go backwards..

 

like it or not, spending the huge amount of money we have means bigger expectations...and right now, we dont have a clue of the manager knows his starting 11 or tactics..

 

(I have to write the next bit as people will wet themselves)

 

I hope NC sticks with pards as I DO think he is a good manager..

 

but NC is not a football man and many who would know say he demands instant results..

 

 

interesting.....

 

Sh*t thread, utterly pointless question. Cortese (unlike a few posters here) is a sensible, intelligent man, Alan Pardew is going nowhere, he is doing a good job FFS !!

[paulwantsapint]

Personally unless the team totally stagnate & stop playing ( similar to late Burley ) I want Pardew to stay as manager for a proper length of time

NC & ML please learn from previous regimes that constant change is not what we need we could do with some stability

[Made in Southampton]

I think it's only right and proper that NC should expect results he is the one that ultimately is in charge a he will have to explian himself to ML.

 

In my job I have to hit targets and KPI's and If I don't then I have to explian my actions to my boss. I'm performance managed and if any company is to be successful then that is what needs to be done.

 

If AP is under performing then it's only right that these conversations should tale place.

[theyin]

surely NC won't want to be associated with the management merry-go-round at SMS of recent years.

We have a wealth of new players coming into the team and in our case, like others, ManC, for example, it's going to take time to gel.

It takes time. I expect the doom mongers on here are from a younger generation that have no concept of 'giving the manager time'. Far from NC being the person wielding the knife, I fear it is going to be the vocal 'yoof' and their inevitable boos from over heightened expectancy, that could sway the chairman's mind.

So shut the feck up, we're in L1 for another year....unfortunately, get behind the team, rain or shine and watch AP take us back to the Prem.

 

Hope the team sorts it out soon though. Tired of all these reports I'm listening to/reading about.

[dune]

If you were to draw a graph of the teams/Pardews performance since the summer it would be a steady upward line of improvement until December and a steady downward line since then. The longer we continue on the downward line the more likely it is that Pardew isn't the right man for the job.

[Block 5]

he moved pardew on between now and the start of next season..?

 

would you boycott..?

would you agree...?

would you hold him in the same light as Rupes..?

would you still think he should not bring in a DoF to make these choices..?

 

after reading many reactions on here those who we all know do have connections within the club have been dropping hints that all is not rosey at SFC with the poor form of late...and it seems we are starting to go backwards..

 

like it or not, spending the huge amount of money we have means bigger expectations...and right now, we dont have a clue of the manager knows his starting 11 or tactics..

 

(I have to write the next bit as people will wet themselves)

 

I hope NC sticks with pards as I DO think he is a good manager..

 

but NC is not a football man and many who would know say he demands instant results..

 

 

interesting.....

 

"Between now and the start of next season" is a pretty big time frame DD.

 

I don't think NC will make a judgement until the end of this season.

If we end this season with a Wembley final and are within a few points of the play offs I think NC and the majority of fans would consider that a success.

 

In that case, I would expect to see AP here next year.

If, however, we don't make it to Wembley and start to slip down the table then of course NC will re-evaluate AP's position.

 

Of course AP is under pressure to get results this season, I would be very concerned if he wasn't. But talk of sacking him before he has had a chance to prove himself is scare-mongering.

 

So to answer your question DD......

 

If NC sacked AP between now and April I would think he was a ***t.

 

If NC sacked AP during the summer because we failed to get to Wembley and finished a few points from relegation, I would be pretty supportive.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

All those moaning whinging muppets on here had better get a grip on reality...

 

Part of that reality must be the awareness of how much money the chairman has allowed our manager to spend, clearly he will want to see a return and the only return he will be happy with are positive results.

Do we know what NC's expectations are ?

Are we aware of the stages within the 5 year plan ?

Is their an incentive to 'arrive' before those 5 years ?

 

Due to spend and certain results our expectation level has risen somewhat where, unlike the start of the season, most were content with survival, it seems now most want Wembley and play offs.

 

Me ? I remain content.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Rubbish thread. Get behind the team and the manager. The season (despite what the doom-mongers think) is NOT over yet. If another team slips up with injury or whatever, we might just make it. It's a long shot but it could happen. We've got two cup competitions to look forward to too. Our team is getting better and will benefit from a summer together. Why not be optimistic about the future? This is the best form we've seen at the club for years and years.

[Clifford Nelson]

I agree in as much as we have been unable to dominate in some matches. I don't think its anything indemic or structurally deficient though, I just think it's a combination of not quite having the right mix yet (ie central midfield), fluctuating form and having to play at sub-standard bogs like yesterday.

 

I think we have dominated some matches recently. MK Dons away in the first leg, for example. One of the best Saints performances in years. We controlled the whole match and made them look silly.

 

OK, so we have dominated the odd game. But the haphazard way we have sometimes done so, and most of the time haven't, especially off late, suggest to me a flaw which goes beyond just picking the right players. The best teams have got an "identity", as AP once said, but he seems to be looking for it, rather than imposing it.

[Rory]

he moved pardew on between now and the start of next season..?

 

would you boycott..?

would you agree...?

would you hold him in the same light as Rupes..?

would you still think he should not bring in a DoF to make these choices..?

 

after reading many reactions on here those who we all know do have connections within the club have been dropping hints that all is not rosey at SFC with the poor form of late...and it seems we are starting to go backwards..

 

like it or not, spending the huge amount of money we have means bigger expectations...and right now, we dont have a clue of the manager knows his starting 11 or tactics..

 

(I have to write the next bit as people will wet themselves)

 

I hope NC sticks with pards as I DO think he is a good manager..

 

but NC is not a football man and many who would know say he demands instant results..

 

 

interesting.....

 

If Cortese was to sack Pardew any time soon, it would show this club isn't the club I hope it is under the new leadership. How on earth can the board sack a manager who has clearly got the best record of any Saints manager we have had for years? He's had a ten point deduction to work with, he's had to deal with the rot that had set in since relegation, he's had to take a club on its last whim and revive it to the position it's in now. We're a game away from Wembley, we're the ONLY League One side left in the FA Cup, we're one of the most feared teams in the league (despite recent results) and he's at the helm of possibly the most exciting period this club's history. Why are people questionning him? It seems as if a lot of Saints fans have been caught up in the "instant results" mantra that is eating away at this game and expect it as much as the ruthless numpties running a lot of clubs in this country. I am so glad I'm from Southampton and have the pleasure of supporting this team at the moment, and not having to put up with the stress that say Pompey or QPR are having to go through. I would love it if, say in the next five years or so, Liebeher and Cortese are still at the club and are viewed positively by other clubs in the way Bill Kenwright is at Everton and letting his manager do what he wants.

 

We've been through so much turmoil since Strachan left yet people are still not satisfied! Unbelievable, it really is.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Pathetic thread even for the Saints Fookwit Forum standards.

 

GBTTFFS!!!!!

[Thedelldays]

Pathetic thread even for the Saints Fookwit Forum standards.

 

GBTTFFS!!!!!

if it is a fookwit forum..then see you later..if you dont like it..dont log on...

[AndyNorthernSaints]

if it is a fookwit forum..then see you later..if you dont like it..dont log on...

 

There are some sensible posters on here who you can have a conversation with. There are also alot of idiots who are just on a wind up to get people to bite. Then there is the attenton seeking posters who post numerous threads after Saints draw or lose, with the same agenda against players/manager/club/fans etc

[Thedelldays]

There are some sensible posters on here who you can have a conversation with. There are also alot of idiots who are just on a wind up to get people to bite. Then there is the attenton seeking posters who post numerous threads after Saints draw or lose, with the same agenda against players/manager/club/fans etc

bye then..dont let the "door" bite you on the way out

[derry]

In the Guardian article today Pardew is quoted. He admits he is under pressure and that the owner and chairman want to see better football but that he is not that sort of manager but more pragmatic and won't be changing.

 

If that is the case unless the results are irresistable the owner will get his wish by changing the manager. Either Pardew provides what the owner wants or he will be replaced.

 

It is this sort of information that has led to the doubts about Pardews continuing and now he has confirmed the pressure himself. I don't think that the owner/chairman are getting what they thought they were going to get.

[Thedelldays]

dont Derry...no one wants to read/hear it...it is a 5 year plan you know

[AndyNorthernSaints]

bye then..dont let the "door" bite you on the way out[/QUO

 

I'm here all week

[Glasgow_Saint]

Pathetic thread even for the Saints Fookwit Forum standards.

 

GBTTFFS!!!!!

 

Use the ignore button if you dislike individual posters - the OP raised a resonable question and speculation about APs future has now been growing for a while now.

 

You go from thread to thread passing out childish insults - time you learnt to communicate like an adult?

[JustMike]

was there really need for another thread on this?

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Use the ignore button if you dislike individual posters - the OP raised a resonable question and speculation about APs future has now been growing for a while now.

 

You go from thread to thread passing out childish insults - time you learnt to communicate like an adult?

 

Now i know you are only 12 but please stop Trolling as you are making yourself look even more of idiot. The ignore buton does not work when posters reply with your idiotic quotes.

 

QPR would be your ideal team to support.

[JustMike]

Use the ignore button if you dislike individual posters - the OP raised a resonable question and speculation about APs future has now been growing for a while now.

 

You go from thread to thread passing out childish insults - time you learnt to communicate like an adult?

 

no it hasnt!!

[AndyNorthernSaints]

was there really need for another thread on this?

 

No.

[doddisalegend]

So NC lets AP buy all the players he wants to build 'his'team and then sacks him half way through the job. Hires someone else gives him a load of money to buy a new 'his' team and then what sacks him after six months because where not top of the league if that happens my view on NC will be pretty low. Pardew needs a full season with a settled team and level playing field (which we haven't had this year). At the end of next season if Pardew has achieved nothing I'd be a lot more supportive of NC giving him the heave ho.

[Thedelldays]

was there really need for another thread on this?

dont bump it up then....let it slip away into oblivion

[JustMike]

dont bump it up then....let it slip away into oblivion

 

dont start them then :smt119

[Glasgow_Saint]

Quote from the Guardian:

 

Pardew says. "They [the board] want it quick. They're putting a lot of pressure on me and I'm putting it on the players in the best way I can, without making them taut and tight. I'm the one who is taut and tight!

 

Pressure is growing! 11 wins in 28 after spending more than all L1 clubs combined is very poor.

 

More proof that ML and NC wont stick with AP just for the sake of sticking with a manager.

[Glasgow_Saint]

no it hasnt!!

 

Specualtion about APs future started in the press a few weeks back - more today

[Clifford Nelson]

So NC lets AP buy all the players he wants to build 'his'team and then sacks him half way through the job. Hires someone else gives him a load of money to buy a new 'his' team and then what sacks him after six months because where not top of the league if that happens my view on NC will be pretty low. Pardew needs a full season with a settled team and level playing field (which we haven't had this year). At the end of next season if Pardew has achieved nothing I'd be a lot more supportive of NC giving him the heave ho.

 

Are you clear about what it is that he is trying to achieve? It's not clear to me and a number of others. If we could see the emergence of something I'm sure we would all be much happier.

[JustMike]

Specualtion about APs future started in the press a few weeks back - more today

 

its hardly been speculation about his future! Even that piece you posted above isnt speculation about his future :confused:

[JustMike]

ok lets put another angle on this...what IF NC did sack AP now. Then what? another change, how long do we then give the new bloke? another 6mths??

[Glasgow_Saint]

Pathetic thread even for the Saints Fookwit Forum standards.

 

GBTTFFS!!!!!

 

There are also alot of idiots

 

Now i know you are only 12 but please stop Trolling as you are making yourself look even more of idiot. The ignore buton does not work when posters reply with your idiotic quotes.

 

I will report these posts - tired of the personal abuse on here. Communicate like an adult or ignore and move on. Delldays nor I get personal.....try and offer the same respect.

[JustMike]

I will report these posts - tired of the personal abuse on here. Communicate like an adult or ignore and move on. Delldays nor I get personal.....try and offer the same respect.

 

hardly personal abuse mate tbf

[ALWAYS_SFC]

I will report these posts - tired of the personal abuse on here. Communicate like an adult or ignore and move on. Delldays nor I get personal.....try and offer the same respect.

 

Personally you hand out enough "insults"

If calling someone an idiot is an insult then so is calling someone childish..

 

stop being a baby....:smt022

[Glasgow_Saint]

ok lets put another angle on this...what IF NC did sack AP now. Then what? another change, how long do we then give the new bloke? another 6mths??

 

How long is a piece of string?

 

NC will have given AP year by year targets (just like everyone gets in a job) AP is paid a kings ransom and for that premium wage he has extra pressure in his job/targets.

 

I would expect that APs remit this season was top 6? He possibly has some materiality factored in (i.e would be top 6 without the -10) if he fails then he will rightly be reviewed. If NC cant see things changing dramatically then why would he stick with him?

[RobM]

If NC wanted instant results surely we wouldn't have a 5 year plan, but a 2 year plan? 3 years tops?

 

Year 1, promotion to CCC

Year 2, promotion to Prem

 

Simple, for a man who wants instant results.

 

Or perhaps that's utter BS and the 5 year plan is an accurate reflection of how quickly he expects results.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Personally you hand out enough "insults"

If calling someone an idiot is an insult then so is calling someone childish..

 

stop being a baby....:smt022

 

I keep to the rules and I respect other peoples opinions - I dont hand out insults to individuals. ask that everyone does the same.

 

read the forum rules if you're confused about whats right and wrong

[AndyNorthernSaints]

I will report these posts - tired of the personal abuse on here. Communicate like an adult or ignore and move on. Delldays nor I get personal.....try and offer the same respect.

 

Are you two lovers then?

 

DD does get personal btw( not recently i might add)

 

Go ahead and report the posts. They were a response to your trolling and idiotic comments.

 

I don't think the word 'Adult' is something people would associate with you.

[derry]

It would be much better than calling names if posters just moved on to another. It spoils the threads and adds nothing.