david in sweden Posted 8 April, 2010 Share Posted 8 April, 2010 I've had a quiet day..so try this one FIVE men have both played first team football and managed the Saints. Can you name them ?. No prizes - but you get the special title of Nerd of the Month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 8 April, 2010 Share Posted 8 April, 2010 Wise Bates Dodd Nicholl ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 8 April, 2010 Share Posted 8 April, 2010 Ted Bates Jason Dodd Bill Dodgin Sr Arthur Dominy Arthur Chadwick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 8 April, 2010 Share Posted 8 April, 2010 Wise Bates Dodd Nicholl ?? Stuart Gray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Townhillsaintsfan Posted 8 April, 2010 Share Posted 8 April, 2010 Alan Ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 8 April, 2010 Share Posted 8 April, 2010 Stuart Gray Alan Ball! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintlystu Posted 8 April, 2010 Share Posted 8 April, 2010 Ted Bates Jason Dodd Chris Nicholl Alan Ball Dennis Wise Bill Dodgin Arthur Dominy Arthur Chadwick I make that 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintlystu Posted 8 April, 2010 Share Posted 8 April, 2010 Ted Bates Jason Dodd Chris Nicholl Alan Ball Dennis Wise Bill Dodgin Arthur Dominy Arthur Chadwick I make that 8 Make that 9 with Stuart Gray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintds Posted 8 April, 2010 Share Posted 8 April, 2010 That's 9 so far then. Would Gray, Wise & Dodd only count as 1st team coach, as opposed to manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastleighhalo Posted 8 April, 2010 Share Posted 8 April, 2010 10 //peter reid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 8 April, 2010 Share Posted 8 April, 2010 10 //peter reid When did Reid manage us??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST Randy Posted 8 April, 2010 Share Posted 8 April, 2010 Not the most reliable of sources but wikipedia claims that Bill Dodgin never played first team football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stud mark of doom Posted 8 April, 2010 Share Posted 8 April, 2010 Lew Chatterley A few games and caretaker between Branfoot and Bally http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lew_Chatterley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 8 April, 2010 Share Posted 8 April, 2010 I imagine all of our managers have played first team football and managed the Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 8 April, 2010 Share Posted 8 April, 2010 (edited) Shouldn't the original question be something like 5 men have gone on to manage the Saints after once playing for them to make it a bit clearer? Edited 8 April, 2010 by bpsaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 8 April, 2010 Share Posted 8 April, 2010 TBH, I think it was clear what he meant I was just being a tit. I like Dexter - good prog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 8 April, 2010 Share Posted 8 April, 2010 TBH, I think it was clear what he meant I was just being a tit. I like Dexter - good prog! The question confused me too though initially,started going through the entire list of managers we've had who are ex-players. And yes, Dexter is awesome, Season 5 should be very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 9 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 April, 2010 (edited) TBH, I think it was clear what he meant I was just being a tit. I like Dexter - good prog! you don't have to be so hard on yourself benjii...but might I could have made the question a little clearer, I suppose. However, there do seem to be different criteria in some peoples minds. I would say those who were officially appointed MANAGER and I wasn't counting the caretaker managers (of which we had too many in the last 8 years) so I discounted Wise and Dodd ..and I wouldn't have counted Jim Clunie who took charge one game when Lawrie Mac had the 'flu ! LIKEWISE ...I do not include people who may have held the fort between official managerial appointments, Steve Wigley is such a person and some people might also suggest Peter Reid ?... (for some reason) It was made more difficult by including someone like Alf Chadwick, who was the first to fill both crtiteria but that was in Southern League days. Alf Dominy played from 1913-1926 but his time as manager was in WW2 and he didn't manage after that period. Bill Dodgin (actually did play a few games for Saints) ...in August 1939...but when war was declared in September, the League programme was abandoned and all the records expunged. So that officially he never played first team football. He did of course manage the great post war sides from 1946-49 before moving on to Fulham. If we discount them..we are left with those FIVE names. Almost everyone missed was the great Tom Parker from Woolston, a full back who played between 1919-1926 after which he moved to Arsenal and played for England...and later returned to manage Saints from 1937 -1943. His lasting achievement (after he left as Norwich manager) was to sign a teenage forward for Saints named ... Ted Bates who played over 200 games. Who is of course... the second name on the list. My third was centre half is Chris Nicholl (who I put in the same class as Michael Svensson) who played for Lawrie Mac 268 games between 1977-1983 and took over after LM left and managed from 1985 -1991. Next is Alan Ball, TWICE signed by LM 1976-80 and again 81-82.(total 234 games) was manager for a season after Branfoot 1994-95. lastly I had Stuart Gray. A really sound Midfielder/ defender who was badly injured in his first season (20 games) and never regained full fitness. He subsequently became a well-respected coach at the DELL but his reputaion suffered terribly when he fell foul to the Merrington curse when he was asked to take over as first team manager. RL lost patience with him after a bad start and appointed Strachan after 8-9 games in 2002. Other contributors have suggested other names, but according to my rational - thats my list. Edited 9 April, 2010 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastleighhalo Posted 9 April, 2010 Share Posted 9 April, 2010 When did Reid manage us??? My mind may be a bit fuddled but i thought he may have managed us in a caretaker role for at least one game some years ago ?? ...anyone ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 April, 2010 Share Posted 9 April, 2010 Bill Dodgin (actually did play a few games for Saints) ...in August 1939...but when war was declared in September, the League programme was abandoned and all the records expunged. So that officially he never played first team football. He did of course manage the great post war sides from 1946-49 before moving on to Fulham. 1939 League records were not expunged. The season was abandoned but the results stood, even if a championship wasn't awarded (after 3 games it's not surprising). I'd say Dodgin's on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 April, 2010 Share Posted 9 April, 2010 My mind may be a bit fuddled but i thought he may have managed us in a caretaker role for at least one game some years ago ?? ...anyone ?? Nope, he was rumoured heavily to have been Branfoot's successor having been player manager at Man City before he joined Saints, but he actually left the club when Branfoot went rather than be put in the position of succeeding the man who'd signed him a few months earlier. (IIRC) For some reason I can't get him and Paul Allen wearing the Pony tick kit with #27 and 28 out of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torbay Saint Posted 9 April, 2010 Share Posted 9 April, 2010 I've had a quiet day..so try this one FIVE men have both played first team football and managed the Saints. Can you name them ?. No prizes - but you get the special title of Nerd of the Month. Grey, ball, dodd, nicholl, bates and I have wise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 9 April, 2010 Share Posted 9 April, 2010 Gary Mabbutt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 9 April, 2010 Share Posted 9 April, 2010 Not sure if it counts but Poortvliet made one appearance as a trialist pre-season in 1988, after he left Antwerp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 April, 2010 Share Posted 9 April, 2010 Nope, he was rumoured heavily to have been Branfoot's successor having been player manager at Man City before he joined Saints, but he actually left the club when Branfoot went rather than be put in the position of succeeding the man who'd signed him a few months earlier. (IIRC) For some reason I can't get him and Paul Allen wearing the Pony tick kit with #27 and 28 out of my head. and the vennison.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron fan Posted 9 April, 2010 Share Posted 9 April, 2010 Without looking beyond the first post... Bates, Nicholl, Ball, Gray, Wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 9 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 April, 2010 (edited) 1939 League records were not expunged. The season was abandoned but the results stood, even if a championship wasn't awarded (after 3 games it's not surprising). I'd say Dodgin's on the list. I wouldn't want a feud or to argue the point too much but In that Number states : " His (Dodgins) 2 apps. at the starrt of the 1939-40 season were wiped from the record by the outbreak of the War and the consequent abandonment of League Football. " Although Dodgin played for Saints in the War Time Leagues - there is no record of any other Football League games to his credit. I don't know if the " Hagioology team " found out more than that in compiling ITN- but it would be interesting to know. Edited 10 April, 2010 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 9 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 April, 2010 Without looking beyond the first post... Bates, Nicholl, Ball, Gray, Wise well done ..(almost) my reckoning is more fully explained on post number #18 ....earlier on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 9 April, 2010 Share Posted 9 April, 2010 I've had a quiet day..so try this one FIVE men have both played first team football and managed the Saints. Can you name them ?. No prizes - but you get the special title of Nerd of the Month. Answering this as asked without looking down the page... Tom Parker ; Ted Bates ; Chris Nicholl ; Alan Ball ; Stuart Gray I'm not counting stand-in managers like Dodd, Wise, Clunie and Chatterley I'm also not counting Alf Dominy who managed during WW2 period and Bill Dodgin who played in that period, because football doesn't count during wars. Finally, I'm discounting Alf Chadwick because we were playing in the Southern League, and of course that shouldn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 April, 2010 Author Share Posted 10 April, 2010 Answering this as asked without looking down the page... Tom Parker ; Ted Bates ; Chris Nicholl ; Alan Ball ; Stuart Gray I'm not counting stand-in managers like Dodd, Wise, Clunie and Chatterley I'm also not counting Alf Dominy who managed during WW2 period and Bill Dodgin who played in that period, because football doesn't count during wars. Finally, I'm discounting Alf Chadwick because we were playing in the Southern League, and of course that shouldn't count. sort of falls in line with my original thoughts...... see post # 18 higher up this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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