To those who say the BNP are not racist...

[SuperMikey]

http://m.sky.com/skynews/article/15619409

 

Surprised there's not been a thread on this already. Not sure how they expected to win any votes in a multi-cultural area such as Dagenham anyway, the votes of ethnic minorities (the ones who are eligible to vote anyway) would drown out the ones of disillusioned white folks due to sheer percentages.

 

And before dune/stanley/whoever else comes on and spouts the usual "Nick Griffin is a racist moron, he doesn't represent the true values of the party blah blah blah", I advise they take a look at the rap sheets of some of the other major BNP politicians.

[Kev]

Billy Bragg and BNP candidate Richard Barnbrook clash on streets of Dagenham. (Video).

 

And then they had another chat on St George's Day.

[IamLeGod]

Billy Bragg and BNP candidate Richard Barnbrook clash on streets of Dagenham.

(Video).

 

And then they had another chat on St George's Day.

 

What an absolute king that man is!

[View From The Top]

Stanley prefers NF rallies. There is more of a white power thing going on for him to get off on.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

The suit that Barnbrooke is wearing in one of those pictures seems to me to be an EXACT replica in cut and colour of the one that Goebbles used to wear!!

[Crab Lungs]

The suit that Barnbrooke is wearing in one of those pictures seems to me to be an EXACT replica in cut and colour of the one that Goebbles used to wear!!

 

BNP aren't kitting everyone out on Hugo Boss, are they? Blimey...

[dune]

I'm shocked.:shock:

[RedAndWhite91]

For those who say the BNP aren't racist: They were formed as a splinter group from the National Front, and are led by a man who was a national organiser for the NF. Enough said.

[dune]

For those who say the BNP aren't racist: They were formed as a splinter group from the National Front, and are led by a man who was a national organiser for the NF. Enough said.

 

Andrew Brons MEP was once leader of the NF.

[RedAndWhite91]

Andrew Brons MEP was once leader of the NF.

 

Thankyou for further backing up my point.

[Thedelldays]

to be fair, we have people in power in the UK that used to murder people..

Sinn Fein...but their murderous ways got them into power and their slate wiped clean

[dune]

Thankyou for further backing up my point.

 

I couldn't really give a **** about the BNP. This is a general election and the priority is getting a Conservative government because if you want change only a vote for the Conservatives will mean that on May 7 we're not still stuck with Gordon Brown.

[RedAndWhite91]

I couldn't really give a **** about the BNP. This is a general election and the priority is getting a Conservative government because if you want change only a vote for the Conservatives will mean that on May 7 we're not still stuck with Gordon Brown.

 

I think you do give a sh!t, really.

 

However, I do agree with the second point. I'm not follower of the Conservatives, but they'll be getting my vote.

[dune]

I think you do give a sh!t, really.

 

However, I do agree with the second point. I'm not follower of the Conservatives, but they'll be getting my vote.

 

No I don't give a ****. I'm a member of UKIP and should electoral reform follow the election it would mean that in 2015 a window of opporttunity will arise to take poltics away from the centre ground. UKIP would be king makers and will always ally with the Tories and all i've ever wanted is for the tories to move back to the right. UKIP are the best the way of achieving my objective so they are the party i'm supporting.

[RedAndWhite91]

No I don't give a ****. I'm a member of UKIP and should electoral reform follow the election it would mean that in 2015 a window of opporttunity will arise to take poltics away from the centre ground. UKIP would be king makers and will always ally with the Tories and all i've ever wanted is for the tories to move back to the right. UKIP are the best the way of achieving my objective so they are the party i'm supporting.

 

Why don't you vote UKIP then?

 

I just had a little look through the BNP thread.

 

I was going to vote Tory but not any more, i'm voting for the BNP because i'm so angry at what the Socialists have done to this country.

 

TopGun you don't get it. I vote BNP because they are the most FAR RIGHT of all the parties. I'm disgusted at our open door immigration policy so this is my vote to tell Brown what I think of it.

 

Think you do give a sh!t about the BNP! Or did you change your mind, once again?

[dune]

Why don't you vote UKIP then?

 

I just had a little look through the BNP thread.

 

 

 

 

 

Think you do give a sh!t about the BNP! Or did you change your mind, once again?

 

Yes i changed my mind. Voting BNP was a means to an end, i.e bringing the issues i care about onto the mainstream agenda, however with electoral reform looking likely why make a protest vote when a vote for UKIP could mean (in 2015) it's a vote for party that will be a part of a government. Voting UKIP potentially is a much more powerful vote for moving politics to the right.

[norwaysaint]

See nothing wrong with Dune changing his vote, most people should be open to doing so.

 

I liked this line

"A spokesman for the BNP said the remarks were made after Mr Edmonds had been verbally abused in the street."

 

Remember, casual racism is fine, if somebody calls you names (or if you're Baj)

[RedAndWhite91]

Yes i changed my mind. Voting BNP was a means to an end, i.e bringing the issues i care about onto the mainstream agenda, however with electoral reform looking likely why make a protest vote when a vote for UKIP could mean (in 2015) it's a vote for party that will be a part of a government. Voting UKIP potentially is a much more powerful vote for moving politics to the right.

 

That's fair enough then, just wanted clarification on that as you had confused me a bit. I've changed my vote a couple of times too for the record.

 

Can't see any point in a protest (wasted) vote this coming election, I guess if UKIP are making strides then it won't be altogether wasted, but I can't honestly see them breaking through unto the mainstream if that's what you meant.

[dune]

That's fair enough then, just wanted clarification on that as you had confused me a bit. I've changed my vote a couple of times too for the record.

 

Can't see any point in a protest (wasted) vote this coming election, I guess if UKIP are making strides then it won't be altogether wasted, but I can't honestly see them breaking through unto the mainstream if that's what you meant.

 

They won't go mainstream in this election, but under a PR system they can become a player in a coalition with the Tories and thus move the Tories to the right which is what i want. Lord pearson of rannoch (the new UKIP leader when Nigel Farage retires) talks a lot of sense.

 

http://www.lordpearsonofrannoch.co.uk/my_video.html

[RedAndWhite91]

They won't go mainstream in this election, but under a PR system they can become a player in a coalition with the Tories and thus move the Tories to the right which is what i want. Lord pearson of rannoch (the new UKIP leader when Nigel Farage retires) talks a lot of sense.

 

http://www.lordpearsonofrannoch.co.uk/my_video.html

 

Ah I didn't realise Farage was outgoing. I reckon he does more harm than good for the party, it seems to me like the general public don't have much time for him. Hopefully the new guy will push them on. I voted UKIP in the Euro elections, wouldn't be a bad thing if they did well in the next few years.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Andrew Brons MEP was once leader of the NF.

The same Andrew Brons pictured in full Nazi uniform in the past. Is he one of your mates Stanley? do you still think we would have been better off if the Nazi's had won WW2 btw?

[Lord Duckhunter]

I did like their slogan "British jobs for British workers",

 

 

That was their slogan, wasn't it?

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

I did like their slogan "British jobs for British workers",

 

 

That was their slogan, wasn't it?

 

Oh very clever - In the same way that you manipulated that statement to have a pop at those who vote Labour, the BNP manipulated that phrase to spread that manifesto of hate.

 

Well done, your mother must be VERY proud!

[dune]

The party political broadcast for the BNP has just been on BBC2, but don't worry if you missed it. It'll be on again:

 

BBC1 — 6.55pm

 

ITV — 8:30pm

 

Five — 7:55pm

[1976_Child]

If anyone thinks the BNP are not racist they should be committed under the mental health act.

 

The BNP are not only racist, they are completely incompetent.

 

That said, I am glad that the BNP exists as it gives a legitimate way for people to air very real grievances which the main parties should pick up. Just so long as the BNP don't get any real power.

 

I am also a strident supporter of free speech and its side-kick freedom of association so I support the BNP's absolute right to exist, within the confines of the law, and will defend their right to voice their (repugnant) views. Only by tolerating those with whom we strongly disagree to have a political platform can we truly call ourselves a free country.

[JackFrost]

The BNP aren't racist?

 

Tell that to Richard Edmonds, a senior BNP official who told the Guardian in 1993 that "The BNP is 100% racist" LOL

 

The BNP formed in the late 80s I think when they split from the National Front. Their just a neo Nazi organisation who got a few votes from racist nonces, protest votes from areas of high ethnic immigration and garnished their racist bile in centre-right PR, creating a bandwagon for a few more people to jump on.

 

Plenty of racist parties out there, the British movement, the British People's Party, hell the National Front themselves are still active. The BNP are just the media's favourite to set up and knock back down over and over again.

 

The BNP's biggest Achilles heel is themselves, half of their candidates can't string 2 sentences together and Griffin made himself a laughing stock on QT. The whole "BNP on QT" was practically a set-up which the BNP fell for.

 

The far-right fascists/neo Nazis haven't had anywhere near as much success in the UK as they have on the continent.

Edited 26 April, 2010 by JackFrost

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

The party political broadcast for the BNP has just been on BBC2, but don't worry if you missed it. It'll be on again:

 

BBC1 — 6.55pm

 

ITV — 8:30pm

 

Five — 7:55pm

 

Any particular highlights?

[SuperMikey]

You've changed your tune recently Dune, if this had happened a month ago and i'd posted this thread, you'd be defending the BNP saying that it's just Griffin and his cronies that are the racists and the party itself stands for good British values and is not racist blah blah blah...

 

What's happened to change this then? Sure we'd all like to know!

[dune]

You've changed your tune recently Dune, if this had happened a month ago and i'd posted this thread, you'd be defending the BNP saying that it's just Griffin and his cronies that are the racists and the party itself stands for good British values and is not racist blah blah blah...

 

What's happened to change this then? Sure we'd all like to know!

 

I'm now a lefty and backing UKIP. As i've consistently said i don't support the BNP, but voted for them to send a message to the establishment. However you've got to look at the bigger picture and if there is voting reform then UKIP are the party that needs strengthening because they would ally with the Tories in a right wing coalition. Picture the house, you'd have Labour, the Liberals, the Greens and the other lefties on one side, then you'd have the Tories, the Ulster Unionists and UKIP on the other. The BNP wouldn't be touched. So to throw out the left voters will have to vote in the right and UKIP would form a major part of the right and this would take the right away from the centre ground. Equally the Lefts pack would have to move further to the left for the likes of the Liberals and the Greens to support them. I'm not in favour of coalitions, but what it would mean is that centre ground politics would be a thing of the past - BAD when the lefties got in, but GOOD when the right got in.

[1976_Child]

Any particular highlights?

 

Well I reckon Elgar will be turning in his grave. How dare these t0ssers hijack Britain's most distinguished composer as their own.

 

And as for using video of Churchill, well that just leaves me cold. If Churchill was alive today and he shared a platform with Griffin he would wipe the floor with him. Anyone dumb enough to swallow that nonsense and believe that Griffin is Churchill's equal - or that they both in anyway share the same ideals and political philosophy - needs his head examined.

 

Vote BNP - Vote Racist.

 

EDIT: And any Saints fan who votes BNP and then goes to football and cheers for Mssrs Antonio, Waigo, Puncheon, Thomas, Jaidi, McLaggon, Thomson or Gobern is not only an idiot but a hypocritical idiot.

Edited 26 April, 2010 by 1976_Child

[dune]

Well I reckon Elgar will be turning in his grave. How dare these t0ssers hijack Britain's most distinguished composer as their own.

 

And as for using video of Churchill, well that just leaves me cold. If Churchill was alive today and he shared a platform with Griffin he would wipe the floor with him. Anyone dumb enough to swallow that nonsense and believe that Griffin is Churchill's equal - or that they both in anyway share the same ideals and political philosophy - needs his head examined.

 

Vote BNP - Vote Racist.

 

EDIT: And any Saints fan who votes BNP and then goes to football and cheers for Mssrs Antonio, Waigo, Puncheon, Thomas, Jaidi, McLaggon, Thomson and Gobern is not only an idiot but a hypocritical idiot.

 

But why are the BNP growing so fast? It's simple to have a pop at the sympton as the mainstream polticians and those with their heads in the sand do, but this doesn't address the cause.

[1976_Child]

But why are the BNP growing so fast? It's simple to have a pop at the sympton as the mainstream polticians and those with their heads in the sand do, but this doesn't address the cause.

 

The cause is that political correctness has hamstrung the main parties from confronting the issue of race, religion and mass-immigration.

 

And hence multi-culturism - the yeast which raises the fascist dough - has been the most sacrosanct and destructive ideology of the last generation.

 

I maintain that there are thankfully very, very few true 'genome' racists in Britain - those who adhere to the believe that one race is genetically superior to another - as was certainly the case in Nazi Germany. What we do have is a whole swathe of people who have been marginalized by the New Labour project in favour of sucking up to big business and the bankers. These people are frightened and in despair - they are not represented by toffy-nosed thieves in Westminster. Fertile soil for fascism.

 

A black man - like Jermaine Defoe - who represents his (predominantly white) country in a football world cup in a (predominantly black) country such as South Africa is not 'multi-cultural'. He is English. And when the politicos grasp this and stop bleating about the joys of multi-culturism and start being a bit more patriotic then the BNP will shrivel and die.

Edited 26 April, 2010 by 1976_Child

[buctootim]

You've changed your tune recently Dune, if this had happened a month ago and i'd posted this thread, you'd be defending the BNP saying that it's just Griffin and his cronies that are the racists and the party itself stands for good British values and is not racist blah blah blah...

 

What's happened to change this then? Sure we'd all like to know!

 

He found out they were racist socialists rather than racist right wingers!

Edited 26 April, 2010 by buctootim

[saint_bert]

I saw the broadcast on CH5.

 

Made me sick to my stomach

[Patrick Bateman]

The party political broadcast for the BNP has just been on BBC2, but don't worry if you missed it. It'll be on again:

 

BBC1 — 6.55pm

 

ITV — 8:30pm

 

Five — 7:55pm

 

I saw this, it made me laugh. Maybe that's not the right reaction, but ... it was so utterly stupid, pathetic and backwards. It's everything a "sensible" political party shouldn't be, it makes George Gallaway look normal and balanced.

 

The picture of Churchill?? Is it supposed to be some kind of sick joke? For a party that wanted to move away from racism and be taken seriously (haha), it was a very very bad move.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Oh very clever - In the same way that you manipulated that statement to have a pop at those who vote Labour, the BNP manipulated that phrase to spread that manifesto of hate.

 

Well done, your mother must be VERY proud!

 

If I made the statement "British jobs for British workers" my Mother, far from being proud, would be quite ashamed. It's part of her "moral compass" not to make crass statements like that in this day and age.

[aintforever]

BNP obviously have racist policies, but that doesn't mean you have to be a racist to vote for them, just like you can vote for Labour without agreeing with all their policies.

[benjii]

The cause is that political correctness has hamstrung the main parties from confronting the issue of race, religion and mass-immigration.

 

And hence multi-culturism - the yeast which raises the fascist dough - has been the most sacrosanct and destructive ideology of the last generation.

 

I maintain that there are thankfully very, very few true 'genome' racists in Britain - those who adhere to the believe that one race is genetically superior to another - as was certainly the case in Nazi Germany. What we do have is a whole swathe of people who have been marginalized by the New Labour project in favour of sucking up to big business and the bankers. These people are frightened and in despair - they are not represented by toffy-nosed thieves in Westminster. Fertile soil for fascism.

 

A black man - like Jermaine Defoe - who represents his (predominantly white) country in a football world cup in a (predominantly black) country such as South Africa is not 'multi-cultural'. He is English. And when the politicos grasp this and stop bleating about the joys of multi-culturism and start being a bit more patriotic then the BNP will shrivel and die.

 

Great post.