How much is SFC worth today?

[trousers]

There's been plenty of talk about Markus picking up a bargain when he bought SFC last year for, what was it....c.£14m?

 

If he was to put the club up for sale now, what do people reckon the asking price would be?

[Saint_clark]

£25million.

[Saint]

I don't think you could afford it mate. Sorry if that's a huge assumption.

[Pancake]

Tuppence ha'penny.

[MINIBARCELONASAINT]

£18.85m lol

[Saint-scooby]

Pretty sure whatever the price, some crazy mad fool with no money would try and buy it. "not that we have seen that before"

[MarkSFC]

Upwards of £50 mill I would guess.

 

The squads Market value is probably at least 10-12 mill. SMS 20-25 mill, Staplewood 5? And Jacksons Farm who can really price until it's available for development?!

 

I hope we don't see a "For Sale" sign at SMS for many years - unless it's cos we've got a new stadium!

[Gemmel]

There's been plenty of talk about Markus picking up a bargain when he bought SFC last year for, what was it....c.£14m?

 

If he was to put the club up for sale now, what do people reckon the asking price would be?

 

The value will only be realised upon promotion. I think he picked it up for around 12 million and total investment to date probably stands at around 14 - 15 million + the work on Staplewood when it happens.

 

Assuming we get the same crowds as last season, I am pretty certain we would be at least breaking even.

 

So if we got promotion to the Championship, at a guess probably around 25 million and double if we made it to the Premiership, but the reality is that there are so many clubs in financial trouble that people who genuinely want to own a football club, can wait to pick up these clubs for relatively small amounts (Just like Markus did)

 

Everton have been for sale (70 million) for nearly 3 years, then look at Newcastle etc etc.

 

Whilst I have no doubt that this is an investment oppurtunity (Hence NC introducing it to Markus and running the show) for Markus, the chunky money only comes into play if we hit the Prem and even then they will have to find a buyer.

 

That's assumming that the sort of money invloved with the Prem is still arounnd in 4 or 5 years time.

[positivepete]

Upwards of £50 mill I would guess.

 

The squads Market value is probably at least 10-12 mill. SMS 20-25 mill, Staplewood 5? And Jacksons Farm who can really price until it's available for development?!

 

I hope we don't see a "For Sale" sign at SMS for many years - unless it's cos we've got a new stadium!

 

ML could always get Peter Storrie to value the squad to push the price up a bit!

[once_bitterne]

We are worth the sqaure root and f uck all. We are a third tier football club with L1 TV revenues and a high level of outgoings. Despite what some of the board's resident nutcases state, we are running at a hefty loss.

 

The only people who would want to buy us would be another billionaire looking for a play thing.

[hypochondriac]

Hefty loss you say? Is Steve Grant a resident nutcase?

[Wes Tender]

We are worth the sqaure root and f uck all. We are a third tier football club with L1 TV revenues and a high level of outgoings. Despite what some of the board's resident nutcases state, we are running at a hefty loss.

 

The only people who would want to buy us would be another billionaire looking for a play thing.

 

Not so. Like anything else, the value can be a figure for accountancy purposes, but more realistically it is the sum that somebody is prepared to pay for it. Is your assertion that we are being run at a hefty loss based on facts, or is it purely conjecture on your part? If factual, then no doubt you will happily furnish us with the evidence. And then again, define "hefty". One man's "hefty" is another man's "meagre"

[Gemmel]

We are worth the sqaure root and f uck all. We are a third tier football club with L1 TV revenues and a high level of outgoings. Despite what some of the board's resident nutcases state, we are running at a hefty loss.

 

The only people who would want to buy us would be another billionaire looking for a play thing.

 

Really there is a house for sale in Hill lane that says different, as does the land in Marchwood, as does Jacksons farm, as does the stadium , as does the squad and as does the bookies......and we are the resident nutcases ?????

 

The breakeven attendance figure when we were in the Prem was around 21,000. The squad has been greatly reduced (And quite rightly so) we are meeting that average and the players are on a fraction of the wages we were paying back then and we had a mortgage to pay. I can't be sure and these are guessestimates, but i reckon we are breaking even and may be even showing a profit, with ML funding transfers

[Wurzel]

Really there is a house for sale in Hill lane that says different, as does the land in Marchwood, as does Jacksons farm, as does the stadium , as does the squad and as does the bookies......and we are the resident nutcases ?????

 

The breakeven attendance figure when we were in the Prem was around 21,000. The squad has been greatly reduced (And quite rightly so) we are meeting that average and the players are on a fraction of the wages we were paying back then and we had a mortgage to pay. I can't be sure and these are guessestimates, but i reckon we are breaking even and may be even showing a profit, with ML funding transfers

 

I reckon we may have run at a loss last year - just as it takes a while to get a new team gelling on the pitch it takes a new business owner to rectify/remove loss making practices. I'd guess that we will at least break even this year.

 

But your break even crowd figures aren't really relevant comparisons. In the PL we broke even at 21K paying higher wages but also RECEIVING **** loads of Sky tv money. I'd guess the reduction in the Sky income is bigger than the reduction in wages.

[Gemmel]

Fair shout Wurzel, but Sky money has over tripled since we were in the prem.

last year with the squad numbers we had (carrying some heavy earners), you could be right, but if we average the same attendances this season, given the number of players released, I think we are pretty much there or there abouts

[Wes Tender]

I reckon we may have run at a loss last year - just as it takes a while to get a new team gelling on the pitch it takes a new business owner to rectify/remove loss making practices. I'd guess that we will at least break even this year.

 

But your break even crowd figures aren't really relevant comparisons. In the PL we broke even at 21K paying higher wages but also RECEIVING **** loads of Sky tv money. I'd guess the reduction in the Sky income is bigger than the reduction in wages.

 

I seem to recall figures of around 17000 being bandied about as break even, just before we went into administration. If those figures had any substance, then we have exceeded attendancies and probably covered the transfers in and increased wages by extra income from the JPT and offloading some of the higher earners that were on our books a year ago.

[Toadhall Saint]

Whatever the buyer is willing to pay

[up and away]

Originally Posted by once_bitterne

We are worth the sqaure root and f uck all. We are a third tier football club with L1 TV revenues and a high level of outgoings. Despite what some of the board's resident nutcases state, we are running at a hefty loss.

 

The only people who would want to buy us would be another billionaire looking for a play thing.

 

 

Not so. Like anything else, the value can be a figure for accountancy purposes, but more realistically it is the sum that somebody is prepared to pay for it. Is your assertion that we are being run at a hefty loss based on facts, or is it purely conjecture on your part? If factual, then no doubt you will happily furnish us with the evidence. And then again, define "hefty". One man's "hefty" is another man's "meagre"

 

As an investment, there is no way I can see this as being profitable. Because as an investment you have to compare what Liebherr would be making on all that money in comparison to all his other investments. That is a pretty easy one to sort out when you consider the billions he has already made in his area of expertise. Liebherr has shelled out a very good whack already. The purchase price and the £M's just to get that purchase price. Players fees, wages and the infrastructure will be offset by income but you only have to look at the accounts of Charlton and Norwich to give you a good indication.

 

You have two values for the assets represented by Saints. The minimal value if you broke everything down and sold everything off individually. That would be a big loss as the major assets have restricted planning permission upon their uses. Then you have the value of Saints as a going concern and that value is solely dictated by what any nutter is prepared to pay for it. Saints really has no value apart from the asset stripped version until someone is prepared to cough up. Reading have been trying to find a buyer for ages, a great debt free set up with a modern stadium and no takers.

 

No one is going into football to make money from it, more as a passion than an investment. For someone like Liebherr this passion would be peanuts and the only way it makes sense. There is only one viable buyer of football clubs, someone who has made all their money elsewhere and are prepared to accept loses in the pursuit of pleasure. You only have to look at every example in the Premier, where Arsenal can only be deemed closest to break even and successful, solely because of Wenger on the training ground and in the transfer market.

[Chez]

I seem to recall figures of around 17000 being bandied about as break even, just before we went into administration. If those figures had any substance, then we have exceeded attendancies and probably covered the transfers in and increased wages by extra income from the JPT and offloading some of the higher earners that were on our books a year ago.

 

did that 17k figure include the £2m mortgage as well as that no longer exists?

[doughnutman]

did that 17k figure include the £2m mortgage as well as that no longer exists?

 

Yes and servicing the overdraft as well IIRC

[benjii]

We're worth naff all. We are a small/medium business incapable of making a profit without external capital investment. That sort of investment is not readily available in the debt market precisely because the industry we're in has been recognised by many banks as being, largely, ridiculous. People can point at the crowds and pluck various "break-even" figures out of the air but if didn't have the financial muscle to attract the top players those crowds would be down by at least 25%. The only reason we have that finance is due to one person's deep pockets.

 

We may be worth something if we get into the Premiership.

[saintroyt]

what a load of balls the brilliant business men on this forum should concentrate on thier own jobs/business we have no idea what the balance sheets will show so why speculate on something we know nothing about and have no knowledge, we have a club finacially sound, going forward.So be happy and get on with lives and stop worring about others!

[Dave Benson Phillips]

We are worth the sqaure root and f uck all. We are a third tier football club with L1 TV revenues and a high level of outgoings. Despite what some of the board's resident nutcases state, we are running at a hefty loss.

 

The only people who would want to buy us would be another billionaire looking for a play thing.

 

You do talk some rubbish.

 

What evidence do you have that we are running at a hefty loss?

 

Our JPT run and P*rtsmouth game has more than made up for what we lost in TV revenue in comparison to a Championship side. In every other way, we have a top half Championship revenue.