trousers Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 (edited) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1297855/New-25-man-Premier-League-squad-rule-big-earners-sitting-out.html Hmmm....Until reading that article this morning I hadn't really appreciated all the implications of the new squad size rule being introduced in the Premier League this year. Perhaps Cortese is playing a waiting game on the 'marquee signing' front until he knows which Prem players will be effectively mothballed on 1st Sept? He can then loan in a couple of 'stars' all paid for by the parent club....(or, rather, to beat off the competition, we offer to pay some of their wages...) players who have years to run on contracts worth massive money won't give up millions of pounds to play for other clubs, so big clubs might have to send them on loan while paying most of their wages. When does the League One loan window close...? Edited 27 July, 2010 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 This certainly sounds a little like what AP was alluding to in one of his interviews the other day. He said the signings will come, but is waiting to see what happens; he emphasised that he didn't want to bring in a player only to discover 2 weeks later a better one came available. So maybe that is what we're waiting on and sensibly, we're playing the market quite cutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 No no no!! We must buy players now or Alpine will go into meltdown FFS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 Now I understand. Good work team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 Carvalho & Bellamy will do Seriously a good thing if that is what AP is waiting for...certainly looking for good players if the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 I can see the sense in this, butwith the home grown players needed in the squad it will reduce the amount of young players available for loan, you wont see top young players like Jacob Mellis coming to L1 now as they will be in the 25 man squad but rarely in the matchday squad unless there are injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 I can see the sense in this, butwith the home grown players needed in the squad it will reduce the amount of young players available for loan, you wont see top young players like Jacob Mellis coming to L1 now as they will be in the 25 man squad but rarely in the matchday squad unless there are injuries. Interesting point. And when these "home growns" from the 25, used as they are to megabucks, show they aren't quite up to it, and are pushed out by the next batch of home growns, will they be affordable by lower league sides? Will those clubs still attempt (stupidly) to meet their outrageous demands? I realise this all has to start somewhere, but have the feeling that, initially at least, this will delay the wake-up call about excessive wages being paid to average players. But probably it's a good thing in the longer run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 I can see the sense in this, butwith the home grown players needed in the squad it will reduce the amount of young players available for loan, you wont see top young players like Jacob Mellis coming to L1 now as they will be in the 25 man squad but rarely in the matchday squad unless there are injuries. It'll certainly reduce the nuumber of young players avaiable for loans - players under 21 don't count towards the 25 man squad so I imagine the Premiership sides will hang on to them for injury cover. However there will be a glut of 22 year old Premiership fringe players who'll be available for loans - on the assumption that they'll probably offload older players but want to hang on to the youngsters. Looking at the Man City squad and discounting players how got 20 or more starts last season that's including players like Nedum Onuha, Javier Garrido, Adam Johnson and Micahel Johnson. None household names but all very decent players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 I think it will have two effects. In one way, it will limit the amount of young english players clubs will send out on loan, as they will need them to fill their squads to meet the homegrown quota. In the longer term, it will probably make clubs think twice about signing a foreign player, given that they need to have a certain number of British players in their squads. It might serve to push up the price of British players even higher though (a la James Milner). As for Saints, could be interesting. I would imagine they have players in mind and are waiting to see whether they make the 25 or not at their club. I agree, at least one marquee signing would really give us a boost at the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 Now I get it! This proves the vital importance of the academy. I doubt we will get any big stars so may well see the benefits of the trickle effect. APs comments make perfect sense now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 It'll certainly reduce the nuumber of young players avaiable for loans - players under 21 don't count towards the 25 man squad so I imagine the Premiership sides will hang on to them for injury cover. However there will be a glut of 22 year old Premiership fringe players who'll be available for loans - on the assumption that they'll probably offload older players but want to hang on to the youngsters. Looking at the Man City squad and discounting players how got 20 or more starts last season that's including players like Nedum Onuha, Javier Garrido, Adam Johnson and Micahel Johnson. None household names but all very decent players. I'd have thought Adam Jonhson would definitely make their 25! (he would have easily made over 20 appearances had he been there all season) I would imagine that all of those players listed would go to clubs at higher than L1 level though. It would never happen, but someone like Michael Johnson would be a revelation at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 This does look like an interesting development and it's possible to imagine nPC and L1 clubs like pigs at the trough competing for loans. But Saints won't be the only club trying to pick up some quality, either directly from a Prem club, or by trickle down from the nPC. As the players will have a say as to where they go, Saints position as favourites to win L1 is a positive, but it will help attract quality players if that rating is confirmed by good results in the first few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 If we wait for excess PL players to go to NPC clubs, and then excess NPC clubs to become available for L1 clubs, the transfer window will have shut. So I dont reckon this is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 If we wait for excess PL players to go to NPC clubs, and then excess NPC clubs to become available for L1 clubs, the transfer window will have shut. So I dont reckon this is the case. Disagree, we are talking about loans here similar to the deals we did for Mellis, Cork, Guthrie and Chaplow.The loan window is open until about November so there is plenty of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 I'm sure AP won't wait till after the window shuts to get his main targets. I suspect any loan signings made after the window will just be a bonus. He seems to waiting for it all to kick off so to speak! And although ideally he gets the players in asap if it takes a couple more weeks and they miss 2-4 games sobeit. Better to get the right players other than second best right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 The other side to this is that the top teams are going to need quality 'home grown' players for their squads and so the likes of Adam Lallana will be in great demand and we can demand very high prices. In return we get a 'cast off' overseas player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 If we wait for excess PL players to go to NPC clubs, and then excess NPC clubs to become available for L1 clubs, the transfer window will have shut. So I dont reckon this is the case. I reckon we could easily attract a Prem player on loan for a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 I reckon we could easily attract a Prem player on loan for a season. We did last season, Mellis from Chelsea, i would say this season we are even more of an attractive proposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 We did last season, Mellis from Chelsea, i would say this season we are even more of an attractive proposition.A player contracted to a Premiership team I grant you, but hardly a premiership player! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 A player contracted to a Premiership team I grant you, but hardly a premiership player! Well, if he was a premier league player then he wouldn't be being loaned out to a L1 side would he, they aren't going to loan out their best or even squad players are they. It'd be like us loaning Seaborne to Salisbury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 This rule won't actually cause a problem to most clubs. Very few clubs have more than 25 players over the age of 21. On top of the 25 you can have as many under 21 as you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 Well, if he was a premier league player then he wouldn't be being loaned out to a L1 side would he, they aren't going to loan out their best or even squad players are they. It'd be like us loaning Seaborne to Salisbury.I think you need to read the article again to see some of the examples of players who would may be omitted from squads....like Craig Bellamy, Roque Santa Cruz, Stephen Ireland etc....proper premiership players left out in the cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint78 Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 So am I right in thinking that the players left out could only then play outside the Premier League as the other teams would have named their quotas by then too and couldn't add to them? Interesting stuff - maybe a few would look to go abroad but the lower leagues can surely pick up some gems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 Can players outside the 25 man squad play in Cup and European games? If so clubs will not be so eager to loan out their players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 And it is worth noting the article is based on the comments of one premiership manager.....a certain HR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxosponge Posted 27 July, 2010 Share Posted 27 July, 2010 It'd be like us loaning Seaborne to Salisbury. Or Martin to Salisbury..... hang on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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