alpine_saint Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 Over the last 6 months there seem to have been several stories going around which can be attributed to certain individuals sh*t-stirring about the club, trying to do it damage. NC referred to them today. Isnt it time we knew who they are ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribbo Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 if you name and shame people publically then it becomes a mud slinging match and your almost asking for people to take sides... which would be counter productive imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 if you name and shame people publically then it becomes a mud slinging match and your almost asking for people to take sides... which would be counter productive imo Agreed, which is not NC's style. It will take more than a few '1 liners' in the comic press to rattle his cage - he may have had his run in with the press and media lately, but rarely does he get into slagging matches with them - and rightly so. Two days ago it was all doom and gloom over 10 words in the sun, now the record has been set straight and everything is rosy again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 What difference would it make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 What a load of ******, why would a group of people try and damage the club? I expect it's more a case of people disagreeing with Cortese and voicing their opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 What a load of ******, why would a group of people try and damage the club? I expect it's more a case of people disagreeing with Cortese and voicing their opinion. not people like leftback.... do you think the club is for sale..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 not people like leftback.... do you think the club is for sale..? It doesn't look like it's for sale. Leftback clearly had a grudge with Cortese, doesn't mean he wants to damage the club though. Where is Leftback now anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 It doesn't look like it's for sale. Leftback clearly had a grudge with Cortese, doesn't mean he wants to damage the club though. Where is Leftback now anyway? It was Dave Jones. He got banned on here for being continually libelous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 It doesn't look like it's for sale. Leftback clearly had a grudge with Cortese, doesn't mean he wants to damage the club though. Where is Leftback now anyway? LB was an ex board member with lowe (i think) and is now banned for posting libilous bollix about cortese....you know, part of the naughty people NC was on about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 It was Dave Jones. He got banned on here for being continually libelous. That's daft, he was the only one with any sort of inside info. is this England or ****ing China? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 That's daft, he was the only one with any sort of inside info. is this England or ****ing China? yeah he did..but he also (apparently) was posting damaging remarks about cortese and the family that were not true...again..aprt of the dark forces out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 LB was an ex board member with lowe (i think) and is now banned for posting libilous bollix about cortese....you know, part of the naughty people NC was on about We don't know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 We don't know that. that is what i have heard..lol also, then why is he banned....oh yeah.for the bollix spouted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 How do you know it was Dave Jones ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilko Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 Cortese sounds a bit paranoid, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 How do you know it was Dave Jones ? a few posters on here (weston saint) i think..knew who it was and spoke to them at the rose bowl or something like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 How do you know it was Dave Jones ? Because it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 that is what i have heard..lol also, then why is he banned....oh yeah.for the bollix spouted I don't understand you here at all. I haven't heard if it was true or not but I'm not going to start dismissing what he said as ****** just because it was potentially libelous. Particularly as he has got things right in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 I heard that the divisive figure that Nicola was referring to is Hypochondriac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 We'll have to wait until Nicileaks spill the beans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 Over the last 6 months there seem to have been several stories going around which can be attributed to certain individuals sh*t-stirring about the club, trying to do it damage. NC referred to them today. Isnt it time we knew who they are ? Nah, just ignore them. ****s like that need the air of publicity to fuel their activities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 No thanks, Cortese has never acted anything other than the complete professional, don't change that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 It all seems far fetched to me, are we the only club to have a shadowy group trying to sow chaos and disorder do other chairman bring these things up in their interviews?. Does this group have a name? Do they meet at some hidden underground lair plotting the destruction of SFC? scratch that found some footage of the evil bastards here fill your boots alpine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 Surely this shadowy group must include Roops .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 if the pen be mightier than the sword then there will be occasions when it is best to hide all the pens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 8 December, 2010 How do you know it was Dave Jones ? Dave Jones the ex-manager or Dave Jones the ex-financial director ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 I'm so glad that we can leave our position of stability for more boardroom in-fighting. I really missed the good old days where different cliques within the club carried out sniping via mysterious anonymous posters. It did so much good for the club. If there are people on here looking to bring back those good old days, I'd like to shake the warmly by the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 dave jones the ex-manager or dave jones the ex-financial director ? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 I'm so glad that we can leave our position of stability for more boardroom in-fighting. I really missed the good old days where different cliques within the club carried out sniping via mysterious anonymous posters. It did so much good for the club. If there are people on here looking to bring back those good old days, I'd like to shake the warmly by the face. it's not in club though it's shadowy forces outside the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 Dave Jones the ex-manager or Dave Jones the ex-financial director ? the former not much to do at Cardiff gave him plenty of time to come on here and write nasty things about NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 It was Dave Jones. He got banned on here for being continually libelous.It was not Dave Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 It was Dave Jones. He got banned on here for being continually libelous. Absolutely no idea what would give you that impression. Who he was by the way, not why he was banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 It was not Dave Jones. Really? oh dear does that mean posters on here have been Libelous again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 Really? oh dear does that mean posters on here have been Libelous again? Interesting question - does falsely accusing someone of libel count as libel itself? I honestly don't know. No-ones getting banned for that though, I can tell you now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 i guess that when we are in the process of starting over i would imagine that it is no surprise that some jealous guy will start playing mind games. At the same time we fans are watching the wheels turning helplessly apart from one or two (or even 72) who want the club to give more power to the people and give peace a chance. Many feel that NC acts like GOD but I say that if we want to return to the land of milk and honey and instant karma then we have to give peace a chance and when Nicola say's "stand by me", we should. He may turn out to be a real working class hero in time. Anyway, Merry Christmas, war is over. Count them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MINIBARCELONASAINT Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 It is probably this Madhouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 December, 2010 Share Posted 8 December, 2010 It was not Dave Jones. In that case I apologise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 if you name and shame people publically then it becomes a mud slinging match and your almost asking for people to take sides... which would be counter productive imo Exactly this. Let them stew in the background. Their choice if they want to be bitter about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Exactly this. Let them stew in the background. Their choice if they want to be bitter about it. What if you found out that the managers job of refinforcing the squad with high-profile quality players was being made difficult because of publically perceived insecurity/instability in the running of the club because of such gossip-mongering ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 What if you found out that the managers job of refinforcing the squad with high-profile quality players was being made difficult because of publically perceived insecurity/instability in the running of the club because of such gossip-mongering ? I imagine players have several reasons for going to a club main ones being money and playing football at as high a level as they can, followed by do they like the manager will they be happy at the club. I doubt some rumours about the chairman come high on their list of things to get to worried about more than the thought of dropping to league one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon monkey Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 The group of people trying to unsettle the club are agents. Its near the january transfer window and agents want to unsettle lallana and chamberlain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 What if you found out that the managers job of refinforcing the squad with high-profile quality players was being made difficult because of publically perceived insecurity/instability in the running of the club because of such gossip-mongering ? I don't see why it would to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2010 I imagine players have several reasons for going to a club main ones being money and playing football at as high a level as they can, followed by do they like the manager will they be happy at the club. I doubt some rumours about the chairman come high on their list of things to get to worried about more than the thought of dropping to league one. I don't see why it would to be honest. Its not rumours about the chairman, its rumours about the ownership of the club and was a few months ago about the management of the club, both of which can have a huge impact on the targets and ambition of the club. So if I were a player, it would make a huge difference to me. Take Fonte for example, it was clear he was expecting there to be Championship football at SMS this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Cortese is slightly overdoing things with “dark forces”, but I can see the implications this could have on any ongoing sponsorship negotiations. You get certain type of hangers on around football clubs, a lot wanting some form of involvement for whatever reason, but mainly financial. You have ex players, ex managers, ex employees, friends and relatives of those all wanting something to various degrees. When you look at the period between Wilde and Cortese there were a lot of people sniffing around the club and the players (especially the academy), offering all sorts of services that were designed for their pocket, not the good of the club. These people tended to gravitate towards prominent figures of the time, though it would be remiss to say this was anything organised or designed. If anyone has been to one of the smaller Irish dog tracks, that’s the sort of environment we are talking about. All this has now stopped, but the lure of being involved with a football club like Saints is a powerful stimulant for these people, why I have no idea, some just are desperate to be in the know. Sneaked glances of letterheads that get passed on then get recycled into proven theories that end up in the gossip columns. Now for Cortese coming from his previous working environment I can understand his bewilderment of these actions and rumours, he just does not understand why people who proclaim to support the club would do such things. I can understand why he is justifiably ****ed off with those that promoted the sale rumour, as it’s influence on any possible sponsorship deal could be very costly. I have very little inside information from the current regime and most of what I do hear has to be guesswork at best. As with the sale rumour, it was more than possible that Cortese was known to have involvement in some degree with outside of the club involving finance. You then shuffle the bits about and have a stab in the dark, the dramatists choose this as proof the club was being sold where it was not difficult to see this as being related to sponsorship, as I said at the time. What does perplex me is that we have had posters on here first relay the information about Pardew and previous knowledge of “the sale”, then question who is the source? Well if they don’t know, little chance for the rest of us. I don’t know of anyone who has any reliable information from Cortese, he just does not play this game and what you hear in public is as good as it gets. You get the odd indicator which always gets spun to the worst scenario for some reason. Leftback certainly had information coming back from the training ground, but you had to filter that against and tenuous link to Les Reed and adjust accordingly. Very surprised he never mentioned that Pardew ran the players into the ground during pre-season, such they were of no value for a long time to come, some still not. This against advice from a couple of concerned parties at the time, yes it’s not difficult to figure out who these parties were leftback. For those like me, that have been wondering upon the two issues of why Pardew really got the sack and why the team looked so arse at the start of the season, this looks like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Can someone explain to me how an experienced manager so managed to f**k up a pre-season - unless it was deliberate ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Can someone explain to me how an experienced manager so managed to f**k up a pre-season - unless it was deliberate ??? I don't think it was deliberate, but obviously a break down between Pardew and other members of staff. At the start of the season I imagine that Pardew realised he had screwed up and I have little doubt those that warned him previously were now laying into him. This would explain his demeanour and that writing on the wall outlook that he carried with him. This would also explain why someone as Leftback would be criticising Reed so heavily. I can't see Lallana doing nigh on a full match in a meaningless cup game, then to get taken off injured in the weekend league match helped his cause either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Over the last 6 months there seem to have been several stories going around which can be attributed to certain individuals sh*t-stirring about the club, trying to do it damage. NC referred to them today. Isnt it time we knew who they are ? Alps, without documentary PROOF or a source who is prepared to go public and put their name to the allegations then nobody can post their names nor even speculate. NC IMHO has no choice, he has moaned about it and moved on, we should too. As fans the only thing it does it keep us on the alert for attempts to do real harm to the club as opposed to people rightly holding "non-happy clappy opinions". The internet and it's security these days is such that there simply is no way that anyone could or SHOULD put themselves at risk by putting forward speculation or even logic as to who it could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Surely this shadowy group must include Roops .. Eric. consider yourself slapped.... Just for the record everyone, Eric knows exactly who it is, Honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 It was not Dave Jones. Was it David Jones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 9 December, 2010 Share Posted 9 December, 2010 Was it David Jones?[/QUOTE] Well, he's no longer singing with the Monkees so it could be him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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