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http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2249792,00.html

 

A lot in there about the frustrations he has had so far this season. Let us hope he has recovered his fitness and one goes in the back of the net to set him off on a Beattie-esque run of Goal Scoring again!

 

Historically, we can see that VERY few strikers have been so regular that they score all the time.

Exceptions were people like Derek Reeves, George O'Brien and Ron Davies in the 1960's who scored quite regularly all season.

In promotion season 1965-66 Martin Chivers got to 30 goals by the end of February and didn't score again in the remaining 12 fixtures he played in. ..AND of course later there were those purple patches when MLT was king in the early 1990's.

 

Last year Rickie had a field day but looking back at old records we see that in James Beattie best season (2002-03) he went 10 games before scoring but still ended up with 23 Premier League goals.

 

Rickie will come good and I'm sure he'll be back on the goal sheet soon.

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Historically, we can see that VERY few strikers have been so regular that they score all the time.

Exceptions were people like Derek Reeves, George O'Brien and Ron Davies in the 1960's who scored quite regularly all season.

In promotion season 1965-66 Martin Chivers got to 30 goals by the end of February and didn't score again in the remaining 12 fixtures he played in. ..AND of course later there were those purple patches when MLT was king in the early 1990's.

 

Last year Rickie had a field day but looking back at old records we see that in James Beattie best season (2002-03) he went 10 games before scoring but still ended up with 23 Premier League goals.

 

Rickie will come good and I'm sure he'll be back on the goal sheet soon.

 

Get you with your perspective, reasoning and well constructed argument!

 

Makes a nice change from "lambert out FFS"

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anyone seen this article about Adam Hammill in the Daily Mirror - journo reckons he's in the top 3 EVER Barnsley players:

 

This time last year, I was lucky enough to see the kind of goal I’ll remember for the rest of my life. Unfortunately for me, the goal was scored against the team that I support.

 

It was a freezing Saturday in south London, and Crystal Palace were playing host to Barnsley. Astonishing as it seemed to the regular travelling supporters of the Yorkshire team, the visitors were leading 1-0. It didn’t last.

 

Attacking the supermarket end of Selhurst Park, 19-year-old Palace player Victor Moses trapped the ball on his chest and, from outside the area and with his back to goal, volleyed it straight into the back of the net.

 

The game finished 1-1, but the points for artistic impression definitely went to the home team.

 

It was obvious to everyone watching that afternoon that Moses was the best player on the park. It was also obvious that, football being what it is, the player would probably not be representing Palace for too much longer.

 

As the team’s financial problems crowded their Christmas, the Nigerian-born player was sold to Wigan Athletic during the following month’s transfer window.

 

A season on and it is Barnsley whose team boasts one of the most talked about players in the Championship.

 

Craig Bellamy and Jay Bothroyd may have grabbed the early-season headlines in Cardiff, but in an unfashionable corner of the People’s Republic of South Yorkshire it is Adam Hammill who is fast becoming the story of 2010-2011.

 

As I'm prone to getting over-excited about these kind of things, I would say that Hammill – who joined the Tykes last year after being released by Liverpool at the end of a string of loan spells that saw him turn out for Dunfermline, Southampton and Blackpool – is in my Top Three all time players who have worn a Barnsley shirt.

 

He is so good that there’s no way he’s going to be wearing the shirt for much longer.

 

If the price is right, all clubs, at some point, become selling clubs – as Manchester United proved when offloading Cristiano Ronaldo to Real Madrid - but in football’s second tier these sales come quicker and cheaper, and every fan in the stand understands this.

 

But how this information is processed will differ from supporter to supporter.

 

In the case of Adam Hammill, there will be those who will be outraged when – yes, when , not if – he leaves, while others will be more philosophical. But the knowledge that his final game for the club is coming sooner rather than later means that I watch him play with a mixture of joy and sadness.

 

I know he’s going to leave, because he has to. But there is a part of me that wishes we never had him in the first place.

 

It is the hope, you see, that will kill you.

 

But I will not be the kind of fan that howls with outrage about this or any other player’s ‘lack of loyalty’ when they move to a different club.

 

Why? Because clubs aren’t loyal to players, and often neither are fans. If a player isn’t good enough for the club, he will be gone. Why should I complain when he goes for being too good for the side?

 

Football is an emotional business, but it’s a mistake to make it personal.

 

Players come and players go. Only the fans and the name of the club itself are there for the long haul.

 

 

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/ian-winwood/Ian-Winwood-column-Why-fans-of-smaller-teams-shouldnt-get-attached-to-star-players-theyll-only-break-your-heart-in-the-end-like-Crystal-palace-Victor-Moses-and-Barnsley-Adam-Hammill-article648385.html

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Anyone looked at the video that goes with this?? 2 of the younger players with the 1st team group, one was Ben Reeves, the other I didn't recognise, seemed to be knackered after a few sprints though.Once again, no Barney or Chaplow visible.

 

Chaplow would be a big miss. Hopefully the rumour that a permanent deal is a done deal (as per the PNE chairman) is true as it would be a shame if he's already played his last game for us.

 

Getting back to Lambo. Yes Rickie, it has been horrible. Permission granted to return to goal machine status.

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Chaplow would be a big miss. Hopefully the rumour that a permanent deal is a done deal (as per the PNE chairman) is true as it would be a shame if he's already played his last game for us.

 

Getting back to Lambo. Yes Rickie, it has been horrible. Permission granted to return to goal machine status.

 

I don't think it's a question of the deal not happening, rather a question of whether he has recovered from his Achilles problem.

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lambert says he was injured pre season..but were we not told he was in perfect shape..??

who else came out of pre season not right..?

 

No-one said that. Have you forgotten...Lambert wasn't in the squad against Plymouth on the opening day of the season. He also missed a number of friendlies in pre-season due to injury. Hardly a cover up.

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No-one said that. Have you forgotten...Lambert wasn't in the squad against Plymouth on the opening day of the season. He also missed a number of friendlies in pre-season due to injury. Hardly a cover up.

 

I think the point is that he was supposed to be in perfect shape before the pre-season training started.He's supposed to have worked really hard all by himself and then AP (and I guess Wally Downes) are supposed to have ruined all that with their training regime. I guess that's what DD was pointing at.

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Historically, we can see that VERY few strikers have been so regular that they score all the time.

Exceptions were people like Derek Reeves, George O'Brien and Ron Davies in the 1960's who scored quite regularly all season.

In promotion season 1965-66 Martin Chivers got to 30 goals by the end of February and didn't score again in the remaining 12 fixtures he played in. ..AND of course later there were those purple patches when MLT was king in the early 1990's.

 

Last year Rickie had a field day but looking back at old records we see that in James Beattie best season (2002-03) he went 10 games before scoring but still ended up with 23 Premier League goals.

 

Rickie will come good and I'm sure he'll be back on the goal sheet soon.

 

As with Beattie, if he was carrying an injury, he was not worth a Pulis. If Ricky can't jump properly, just wasting your time in playing him. We all want Ricky back and scoring, but don't even think about playing him if he can't jump.

 

Ricky picked up 3 different injuries in pre-season that restricted his training. Not knackered, buggered!

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Historically, we can see that VERY few strikers have been so regular that they score all the time.

Exceptions were people like Derek Reeves, George O'Brien and Ron Davies in the 1960's who scored quite regularly all season.

In promotion season 1965-66 Martin Chivers got to 30 goals by the end of February and didn't score again in the remaining 12 fixtures he played in. ..AND of course later there were those purple patches when MLT was king in the early 1990's.

 

Last year Rickie had a field day but looking back at old records we see that in James Beattie best season (2002-03) he went 10 games before scoring but still ended up with 23 Premier League goals.

 

Rickie will come good and I'm sure he'll be back on the goal sheet soon.

 

I remember in 1974 we bought in Peter Osgood he never scored in thirteen or so games and we got relegated

 

He was one of the best Strikers I ever saw in the 1960s

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So you think its a conspiracy rather than RL looking after himself in the close season and then picking up injuries by doing too much too soon? Why doesnt that surprise me?

 

Eh? Where do you get a conspiracy from? IT seems odd that a professional athlete, along with others, is fit but not fit enough to train hard. STrachan didn't seem to have a problem putting the players through their paces. But you might be right...perhaps it is a conspiracy? Afterall, we were intillat told the players weren't trained hard enough and now it seems they were trained too hard?

 

As for doing too much too soon, surely if you are in good condition it must be hard to do too much too soon?

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Eh? Where do you get a conspiracy from? IT seems odd that a professional athlete, along with others, is fit but not fit enough to train hard. STrachan didn't seem to have a problem putting the players through their paces. But you might be right...perhaps it is a conspiracy? Afterall, we were intillat told the players weren't trained hard enough and now it seems they were trained too hard?

 

As for doing too much too soon, surely if you are in good condition it must be hard to do too much too soon?

another one who has no idea of the concept of "peak condition"

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another one who has no idea of the concept of "peak condition"

 

As you were seemingly "in" on what went on pre season then DD feel free to enlighten me as to exactly what happened? If this training regime was so awful how come the whole squad didn't go down with injuries? And why were we led to believe that they weren't worked hard enough intially?

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As you were seemingly "in" on what went on pre season then DD feel free to enlighten me as to exactly what happened?

 

the players came out of it unfit, that is clear from the dire performances and injuries...whether that was from doing to much or not enough.......

 

but there must be more than that...its probably cortese' fault right..?

 

(im sure you can mention lowe somehow)

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After a lay off you have to build up the programme gradually - starting off with low intensity excercises and building up endurance. Going straight in to a programme of heavy weights, sudden acceleration (ive no idea if this happened) and jumping off bridges into ice cold water after long runs (I know this did) will likely end up with all kinds of strains and soft tissue injuries.

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After a lay off you have to build up the programme gradually - starting off with low intensity excercises and building up endurance. Going straight in to a programme of heavy weights, sudden acceleration (ive no idea if this happened) and jumping off bridges into ice cold water after long runs (I know this did) will likely end up with all kinds of strains and soft tissue injuries.

 

That certainly concerned me at the time.

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That certainly concerned me at the time.

 

Being asked to do that would concern me at ANY time...

 

Ever since my old Primary School swimming lessons at the old outdoor Salisbury Baths 46F I remember.......

 

 

No way I could be a professional sportsman these days, just the THOUGHT of an ice bath..... arrggh

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the players came out of it unfit, that is clear from the dire performances and injuries...whether that was from doing to much or not enough.......

 

but there must be more than that...its probably cortese' fault right..?

 

(im sure you can mention lowe somehow)

 

Give it a rest. It is okay for you to blame people but not others. I suppose Pardew went out of his way to sabotage our season did he? It will be interesting to read your posts if we don't go up this season. No doubt NC will come out unscathed.

 

The bit you don't get is that no one on here knows exactly what happened and what didn't happen. Not so long ago it was all about Pardew sh*gging players wives or punching players. Then it was he didn't train them hard enough. Now it is he trained them too hard. Go figure. People like you still take rumour as gospel to suit your agendas.

 

He is having the last laugh though as we struggle in Div 3 and he is back in the Prem.

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After a lay off you have to build up the programme gradually - starting off with low intensity excercises and building up endurance. Going straight in to a programme of heavy weights, sudden acceleration (ive no idea if this happened) and jumping off bridges into ice cold water after long runs (I know this did) will likely end up with all kinds of strains and soft tissue injuries.

 

How do you know what the training programme was?

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How do you know what the training programme was?

 

I dont. You said "it seems odd that a professional athlete, along with others, is fit but not fit enough to train hard". I pointed out that if you go bang into training hard after a layoff you will get injuries. Seems fairly clear to me.

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How do you know what the training programme was?

 

Actually, the OS & Twitter Feeds gave us a very detailed daily update at the time. I'm sure a Google meister with no cooking to do today can find them.

 

Lots of High Intensity Sessions, the Bike Rides, the pictures of them jumping in the river and the Sound of Music bit - climbing every Mountain I particularly recall

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I remember in 1974 we bought in Peter Osgood he never scored in thirteen or so games and we got relegated He was one of the best Strikers I ever saw in the 1960s

 

....and let's not forget Mark Hughes ...that bargain buy in 1998 (ONLY 650K)... who managed only TWO goals in 57 games.

What a great signing he was ! ..but he did set a club record with an average of one booking a game for the first half of a season !

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Blah blah blah. Your so f*****g boring.

 

So don't read my posts then, it really isn't that hard you know.

 

My point is that I find it hard to believe that players would go staright from doing nothing to full on training with no warm up prep whatsoever. Pardew and his team are not stupid. I also don't believe that Pardew went out of his way to sabotage our season knowing that he would be off soon. Players lose form, they also pick up injuries.

 

Nice to know how intensive the training was when at the time the anti Pardew brigade were telling us the opposite was true. Still, at least the spin has moved on from sh*gging players wives etc.

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So don't read my posts then, it really isn't that hard you know.

 

My point is that I find it hard to believe that players would go staright from doing nothing to full on training with no warm up prep whatsoever. Pardew and his team are not stupid. I also don't believe that Pardew went out of his way to sabotage our season knowing that he would be off soon. Players lose form, they also pick up injuries.

 

Nice to know how intensive the training was when at the time the anti Pardew brigade were telling us the opposite was true. Still, at least the spin has moved on from sh*gging players wives etc.

 

Which. as everybody knows was the "Intensive training" referred to

 

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