paulwantsapint Posted 11 October, 2008 Share Posted 11 October, 2008 1st & 2nd go to 1 Sir Ted Bates 2 Lawrie Mac BUT who is 3rd? WGS had a team that played with passion & got results Hoddle had a team who could play & go results Other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 11 October, 2008 Share Posted 11 October, 2008 Alan Ball , one and a half seasons saw Le Tiss at his best Chris Nichol also did a good job in really tough circumstances following Lawrie and Ted, believed in youth played them and exited the crowd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr saint Posted 11 October, 2008 Share Posted 11 October, 2008 We should also throw Harry Redknapp, Steve Wigley and George Burley (who, incidently was booed in the Scotland match today for his questionable tactics) into this discussion! :wink: Although, I would go for WGS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 October, 2008 Share Posted 11 October, 2008 We should also throw Harry Redknapp, Steve Wigley and George Burley (who, incidently was booed in the Scotland match today for his questionable tactics) into this discussion! :wink: Although, I would go for WGS. Even the Scots are not stupid... To answer the point, I would say Glenn Hoddle. Who knows where we would be now if Spurs hadnt come knocking ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie Posted 11 October, 2008 Share Posted 11 October, 2008 I liked the Branfoot tenure. It's better than now! It just makes you realise how far we have come since Lowe and Cowen made the club a plc. How many managers have we had? Too many. The 3rd most important man we had guiding the team was Nigel Pearson! The 3rd best manager in my opinion will be the one to get us promoted the rest (even Lawrie in the early days) were much of a muchness. I quite liked Souness at the time and was sorry to see him go because we lacked ambition in those days too. I can hear you say change the record Yorkie - but there is one thing common about all the managers coming and going lack of investment to move to the next level. Who is responsible for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 11 October, 2008 Share Posted 11 October, 2008 I liked the Branfoot tenure. It's better than now! It just makes you realise how far we have come since Lowe and Cowen made the club a plc. How many managers have we had? Too many. The 3rd most important man we had guiding the team was Nigel Pearson! The 3rd best manager in my opinion will be the one to get us promoted the rest (even Lawrie in the early days) were much of a muchness. I quite liked Souness at the time and was sorry to see him go because we lacked ambition in those days too. I can hear you say change the record Yorkie - but there is one thing common about all the managers coming and going lack of investment to move to the next level. Who is responsible for that? Guy Askham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 11 October, 2008 Share Posted 11 October, 2008 Wgs!He dragged us into the fa cup final and to 8th in the league! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie Posted 11 October, 2008 Share Posted 11 October, 2008 Guy Askham Sorry I always get my Askham and Cowens mixed up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 11 October, 2008 Share Posted 11 October, 2008 I would go for Chris Nichol, good tenure, nice football, flirted with relegation but whats new there, continuation of stability and represented what Southampton was about. I thought we found a replacement for Lawie and Chris, in both Jones and Strachan but of course both left because of Lowe and Sturrock could have been a contender if given a bit more time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 11 October, 2008 Share Posted 11 October, 2008 Wgs!He dragged us into the fa cup final and to 8th in the league! It's a results orientated game we play, so I'd agree. That said, I can see JP being ranked quite highly if he carries on the way he has. Not necessarily remembered for the same reasons as WGS (league position, FA Cup, Europe) but for getting a decent performance from an enforced youth team with little investment. That deserves respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 11 October, 2008 Share Posted 11 October, 2008 Chris Nicole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 11 October, 2008 Share Posted 11 October, 2008 (edited) Chris Nicholl, mind you just wait for some **** go and put down Branfoot. Edited 12 October, 2008 by Toomer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Red Posted 11 October, 2008 Share Posted 11 October, 2008 Chris Nichol, mind you just wait for some **** go and put down Branfoot. The same Chris Nicholl who many fans were demonstrating against in the car park after the games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster Cornelius Posted 12 October, 2008 Share Posted 12 October, 2008 I would go for Chris Nichol, good tenure, nice football, flirted with relegation but whats new there, continuation of stability and represented what Southampton was about. I thought we found a replacement for Lawie and Chris, in both Jones and Strachan but of course both left because of Lowe and Sturrock could have been a contender if given a bit more time. Nicholl was poor. Yeah, the 4-1 Liverpool game, 4 up front, bla bla bla....... we sunk from top 6 to bottom 6 in a very short space of time. You could argue he started the rot. Talk about Rupes "academy", we had a magnificent bunch of kids coming through then, mixed with a quality, albiet ageing core, and he turned us in to the most frustrating, NAIVE bunch of journeyman. Rose tinted glasses mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynameisthehulk Posted 12 October, 2008 Share Posted 12 October, 2008 Nicholl was poor. Yeah, the 4-1 Liverpool game, 4 up front, bla bla bla....... we sunk from top 6 to bottom 6 in a very short space of time. You could argue he started the rot. Talk about Rupes "academy", we had a magnificent bunch of kids coming through then, mixed with a quality, albiet ageing core, and he turned us in to the most frustrating, NAIVE bunch of journeyman. Rose tinted glasses mate. In 1989-1990 we finished 7th under CN, we played some mental football in those days and saw the likes of MLT, Shearer, Rod Wallace come through the youth system. Branfoot about destroyed our youth set up and its arguable that it didnt recover until Walcott. He was not the best manager in the world and had taken us as far as he could I agree, but was far better than what came next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster Cornelius Posted 12 October, 2008 Share Posted 12 October, 2008 In 1989-1990 we finished 7th under CN, we played some mental football in those days and saw the likes of MLT, Shearer, Rod Wallace come through the youth system. Branfoot about destroyed our youth set up and its arguable that it didnt recover until Walcott. He was not the best manager in the world and had taken us as far as he could I agree, but was far better than what came next. In hindsight yeah, and I have to agree the year you mention was enjoyable, but the year following McMenemy, (and other years) were really poor compared to the previous 10. The "movement" to get Nicholl out was every bit as strong as other subsequent fan protests (not that I'm necessarily condoning it). Perhaps, and with hindsight I tend to accept, that teh Nicholl days weren't too bad, but to think of teh side he inherited in 86, and the youth of 88/89 etc I just can't accept he's teh 3rd best manager we've ever had ! At best, he was beautifully naive. And as a hulking, no nonsense centre half, surprisingly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 12 October, 2008 Share Posted 12 October, 2008 :smt073George Burley, his inspired signings and tactical nous were breathtaking, who knows where we would be if Scotland hadn't come knocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 12 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 12 October, 2008 :smt073George Burley, his inspired signings and tactical nous were breathtaking, who knows where we would be if Scotland hadn't come knocking. Playing real old enemy & local rivals Brihton in derbys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 12 October, 2008 Share Posted 12 October, 2008 I think all in all probabiltly Chris Nicholl. Things may have turned sour towards the end but I think (although I haven`t checked) that he was manager for 6 seasons so he must have done something right. Who is to say that things wouldn`t have turned sour with WGS, GH,etc if they had stayed as long as Nicholl? We were never world-beaters under him but we knew that we were capable of beating anybody on our day. You used to go to games with a certain amount of confidence (not always justified!) unlike recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 12 October, 2008 Share Posted 12 October, 2008 I liked the Branfoot tenure. It's better than now! Either you didn't experience the Branfoot era or are just being facetious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 12 October, 2008 Share Posted 12 October, 2008 Chris Nicholl? Branfoot? Wigley? Hoddle? Redknapp? Souness? Overweight bloke from Plymouth? You're having a larf and it ain't funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 12 October, 2008 Share Posted 12 October, 2008 Nicholl finished 14 12 13 7 14, during his spell Villa, Man City, Newcastle, West Ham, Sheff Wed, Sunderland amoungst others went down. He kept us in a comfortable position and it seemed exciting. The year we came 7th we were the second highest scorers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 12 October, 2008 Share Posted 12 October, 2008 WGS took us to a cup final, into Europe again ( albeit by default),and to 8th in the final league table( and 4th at one point.). On the above statistics he is no3 in the Saints managers list. It was however a great shame that Alan Ball's spell came to an abrupt end as I believe he had started to make things happen at The Dell.His track record elsewhere was chequered to say the least but I felt he had found a perfect setting at The Dell to flourish. Hoddle too left too early and we can only speculate as to what he might have achieved over longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 12 October, 2008 Share Posted 12 October, 2008 For me, it's got to be WGS. Being only 16 I haven't experienced the 'glory days' that came before my time, but WGS was a fantastic manager. Charisma, a great tactician and a brilliant motivator. If we still had him now we'd definately be in the Prem and we'd be pushing for a UEFA Cup place imo. Wishful thinking though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 12 October, 2008 Share Posted 12 October, 2008 I enjoyed Nicholl time so would probably go for him, Hoddle -made me very optimistic, as he did most fans, that we were really on the up -until he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickfinks Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 When i first started folowing Saints it wa he Nicholl era and therefore holds a fond place in my memories, for that reason only i'm gunna go with him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 Like Glen going to Spurs I think The Wee Man would have stayed if anyone else had called but Celtic. We always felt more confident with him in charge. So he will get my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjinksie Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 Hoddle, left us in 6th position in the league and got beattie playing at his best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 Chris Nichol is very under-rated. His teams were solid at the back (perhaps he should be next manager) and established themselves well in the top division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 No one remember Bill Dodgin. Took us to the brink of promotion to the old first division 2 years on the trott but then left for Fulham when the board allegedly meddled (where have we heard that before!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 Nicholl for me. At the time he was pretty unpopular but his failing was that he didn't keep us up in the top 6 or 7, like Lawrie had. The football was a joy to watch though. Watching Casey spray 30/40 yard passes out to Tiss and Rod Wallace on the wings. Those were the days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 :smt073George Burley, his inspired signings and tactical nous were breathtaking, who knows where we would be if Scotland hadn't come knocking. LOL. I like your humour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 Dennis Wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 Nicholl for me. At the time he was pretty unpopular but his failing was that he didn't keep us up in the top 6 or 7, like Lawrie had. The football was a joy to watch though. Watching Casey spray 30/40 yard passes out to Tiss and Rod Wallace on the wings. Those were the days! Paul Rideout was an under sung hero of that era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 Chris Nichol is very under-rated. His teams were solid at the back (perhaps he should be next manager) and established themselves well in the top division. When have we ever been solid at the back!! I think one season under Nicholl we scored something like 67 goals and conceeded 66 - awesome. WGS surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgnorthSaint Posted 16 October, 2008 Share Posted 16 October, 2008 WGS - Gets my vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 16 October, 2008 Share Posted 16 October, 2008 Chris Nicholl, just edges WGS for me. I think he was seen as an underachiver mostly because of what preceded his tenure, what followed showed that he wasn't (although Branfoot did reach a final). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 16 October, 2008 Share Posted 16 October, 2008 The fact that TB & LM are the "top" managers speaks volumes for continuity and sticking by people. LM had the worst start possible and then struggled to get back up with the likes of Channon in the side, but the club stoood by him and reaped the dividends. For me CN was not the right choice to follow LM and when people talk about when the rot set in, that was it for me. LM left a great legacy behind and we needed some to build on that. CN was not that man. We never reached the same heights again. I don't think there is a firm third. WGS, GH and GB all had their moments but no one really stayed around long enough to have what you could call a "career" here. What I find really sad is that over the last half a century, we only have had two oustanding managers - but then many clubs in that time have not even had one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 16 October, 2008 Share Posted 16 October, 2008 would put Nicholl well ahead of WGS for me. thanks for cup final, but all in all much better team, consistency and football under Nicholl. another vote for Nicholl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 17 October, 2008 Share Posted 17 October, 2008 Nicholl Le Tiss, Shearer, Rideout and Rod Wallace up front :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 18 October, 2008 Share Posted 18 October, 2008 Even the Scots are not stupid... To answer the point, I would say Glenn Hoddle. Who knows where we would be now if Spurs hadnt come knocking ? Who knows if we had had him back, at least we would still be watching Premiership football. Still the mouthy minority knew better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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