Fitzhugh Fella Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Just doing the first draft profile of the above for our forthcoming Who's Who (title undecided) and thought due to the fact I could never make my mind up about him I would listen to the views of the great unwashed on here. Here is what I have written - have I been fair? N’DIAYE Papa Waigo 2009-10 b. Saint Louis, Senegal 20 Jan 1984 6’1” Career: Verona Jun 2002/Cesena 2005/Genoa Sep 2007/Fiorentina 2008 (Lecca loan Jan 2009)(SOUTHAMPTON loan Sep 2009)(Union Sportiva Grosseto loan) Debut: v Charlton Athletic (a) 12 Sep 2009 as sub Last: v Southend United (h) 8 May 2010 as sub Signed on a season long loan with an option to make it permanent, Papa Waigo N’Diaye was a player capable of provoking a cheer or heckle in the same breath. At his best he was almost unplayable with his unorthodox style, blistering speed and coltishness. But at his worse with his seeming ignorance of the offside law, his inconsistency and his occasional selfishness he could be frustrating. As the season progressed however his pluses outgrew his minuses and without his contribution and goals the Johnstone Paint trophy would never have made its way down the M3. Very much an impact player - as can been seen by his substitute’s tally - it was a surprise when the option of making the deal permanent in the close season of 2011 never materialised, although all along there had been speculation that Alan Pardew had been persuaded by Chief Executive Nicola Cortese to bring him to the club in the first place. In January 2011 his owning club Fiorentina allowed him to make another loan move, this time to Grossetto, a Serie B team. Comp App Sub Gls FL 11 24 5 FAC 3 0 1 Other 4 2 5 Total 18 26 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Sounds fair to me! As a note though, we prefer the term hygienically challenged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I think that is fair though I would argue that his offsides got a lot better as he settled into English football. He became a real fans favourite and would loved to have seen him here now. Got to be a better option than forte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I'd have him back today. What he gave us we don't have now, a much better player than he has been given credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Please mention his goal celebration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I think that is fair though I would argue that his offsides got a lot better as he settled into English football. He became a real fans favourite and would loved to have seen him here now. Got to be a better option than forte Why exactly. He's played ten minutes so far, so don't think we can make judgements yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Why exactly. He's played ten minutes so far, so don't think we can make judgements yet. Am also going on what S****horpe have said. Wig could play above this level, jury is out on forte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Yes that goal celebration.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 some of his aimless wondering offside had nothing to do with coming from Italy...it had everything to do with not being that good.. however, it did well for us overall and would be an asset in league 1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I think he was a more intelligent player than was obvious. He worked hard and tackled when playing wide on the right and was able to pass the ball around. I think he had far more vision / awareness than Puncheon for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 A fair assessment although I have previously said that I think that he is the most talented player we have ever let go. Pardew never fancied him, so it came as no surprise to me that we didn't buy him. We also didn't play a system which he was at all familiar with. He looked to me like the right side of a front three in a conventional 4-3-3, neither an out and out striker, nor a winger. Under Adkins I think he would have been nursed to great heights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Very fair, I agree the unique goal celebration should get a mention. Could mention he was Markus's favourite player if you want to throw in some trivia :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribbo Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 later on in the season he was hardly ever offside, but I did love watching him last season, defenders didnt know what to expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 His time here probably cost us an awful lot of money though. For me he was never sharp enough in front of goal,then again neither are Barnard or Guly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I'm pleased that nobody has trotted out the blinkered cliche about him only wandering offside because he was too fast for everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 It's ok - we have the cliche that he was brought in by the chairman instead, qualified by the word "speculation". Very tabloid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 15 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Very fair, I agree the unique goal celebration should get a mention. Could mention he was Markus's favourite player if you want to throw in some trivia :-) But was he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 15 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 15 February, 2011 It's ok - we have the cliche that he was brought in by the chairman instead, qualified by the word "speculation". Very tabloid. Trying to explain why Pardew didn't want to keep him and there was speculation that he was Cortese's suggestion was there not? If it is untrue then happily take it out. While fans are not told the whole story sometimes you have to report speculation. People like to know why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 maybe pardew just did not rate him that much.....many did not either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Trying to explain why Pardew didn't want to keep him and there was speculation that he was Cortese's suggestion was there not? If it is untrue then happily take it out. While fans are not told the whole story sometimes you have to report speculation. People like to know why. Is that the reason why then? Is that how you work, print it unless it is found to be untrue? How much of your books are to be believed? Or is it just anti-Cortese speculation that you print? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Trying to explain why Pardew didn't want to keep him and there was speculation that he was Cortese's suggestion was there not? If it is untrue then happily take it out. While fans are not told the whole story sometimes you have to report speculation. People like to know why. We were told that he wouldn't stay with Pardew as manager rather than the other way round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 We were told that he wouldn't stay with Pardew as manager rather than the other way round. Can you print this speculation too please, FF? Might as well put it all in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I would still argue that it was not the case that he didn't understand the offside law, just that he made runs before most of our players spotted him. You also have to factor in the standard of the assistants, they look up see a man behind the defence and flag, it happens more than once in each game that players are not offside when the ball was played. We have had many players over the years who have suffered from that such as Rodney Wallace Anyway, he put a smile on the faces of most supporters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macey_J2 Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 the unique goal celebration should get a mention. Could mention he was Markus's favourite player if you want to throw in some trivia :-) Duncan, i'd say both of these are worth putting in, Nicola told us about him being markus's favourite player at the second sth dinner incase its of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Gabriel's Halo Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Just doing the first draft profile of the above for our forthcoming Who's Who (title undecided) and thought due to the fact I could never make my mind up about him I would listen to the views of the great unwashed on here. Here is what I have written - have I been fair? N’DIAYE Papa Waigo 2009-10 b. Saint Louis, Senegal 20 Jan 1984 6’1” Career: Verona Jun 2002/Cesena 2005/Genoa Sep 2007/Fiorentina 2008 (Lecca loan Jan 2009)(SOUTHAMPTON loan Sep 2009)(Union Sportiva Grosseto loan) Debut: v Charlton Athletic (a) 12 Sep 2009 as sub Last: v Southend United (h) 8 May 2010 as sub Signed on a season long loan with an option to make it permanent, Papa Waigo N’Diaye was a player capable of provoking a cheer or heckle in the same breath. At his best he was almost unplayable with his unorthodox style, blistering speed and coltishness. But at his worse with his seeming ignorance of the offside law, his inconsistency and his occasional selfishness he could be frustrating. As the season progressed however his pluses outgrew his minuses and without his contribution and goals the Johnstone Paint trophy would never have made its way down the M3. Very much an impact player - as can been seen by his substitute’s tally - it was a surprise when the option of making the deal permanent in the close season of 2011 never materialised, although all along there had been speculation that Alan Pardew had been persuaded by Chief Executive Nicola Cortese to bring him to the club in the first place. In January 2011 his owning club Fiorentina allowed him to make another loan move, this time to Grossetto, a Serie B team. Comp App Sub Gls FL 11 24 5 FAC 3 0 1 Other 4 2 5 Total 18 26 11 Duncan, have highlighted a simple spelling mistake - it's worst not worse. Only trying to help, you understand. As for the speculation you mention, he was Cortese's signing for sure. I had this snippet of info from someone very close to the action at the time. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 15 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 15 February, 2011 We were told that he wouldn't stay with Pardew as manager rather than the other way round. Need corroboration Derry. We were told means nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 15 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Duncan' date=' have highlighted a simple spelling mistake - it's [b']worst[/b] not worse. Only trying to help, you understand. As for the speculation you mention, he was Cortese's signing for sure. I had this snippet of info from someone very close to the action at the time. Hope this helps. Thanks that was an awful error on my behalf. Your info should put Deppo back in his cage but it won't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Nicola told us about him being markus's favourite player at the second sth dinner incase its of interest. I would hope this confirms my earlier post Duncan :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 15 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Duncan, i'd say both of these are worth putting in, Nicola told us about him being markus's favourite player at the second sth dinner incase its of interest. Thanks all I need is corroboration and you have provided it. Will alter accordingly. Ta again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 SNIP In January 2011 his owning club Fiorentina allowed him to make another loan move, this time to Grossetto, a Serie B team swapping buzzing crowds at SMS of 20k+ for those of 3 or 4k.. or words to that effect... Let me know if you need any Italian research. DJ has my contact details.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Blow: italics don't seem to work within quotes, but you'll get my drift... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 15 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 15 February, 2011 or words to that effect... Let me know if you need any Italian research. DJ has my contact details.. Sue, if you can find out the fact that he didn't want to stay great. Meanwhile I have worked on Draft 2 to introduce some observations on this thread. Thanks for all those who have contributed. It has been a worthwhile exercise apart from Deppo's pathetic sniping. Draft 2 below Signed on a season long loan with an option to make it permanent, Papa Waigo N’Diaye was a player capable of provoking a cheer or heckle in the same breath. At his best he was almost unplayable with his unorthodox style, blistering speed and coltishness. But at his worst with his seeming ignorance of the offside law, his inconsistency and his occasional selfishness he could be frustrating. As the season progressed however the pluses outgrew his minuses and without his contribution and goals – which were always followed by impressive celebrations - the Johnstone Paint trophy would never have made its way down the M3. Very much an impact player - as can been seen by his substitute’s tally - it was a surprise when the option of making the deal permanent in the close season of 2011 was never triggered, especially as new owner Markus Liebherr had revealed he had been his favourite player. By explanation there had been speculation that Alan Pardew had never been fully convinced of Papa’s qualities and so, whatever the reasons, he returned to Italy. In January 2011 his owning club Fiorentina allowed him to make another loan move, this time to Grossetto, a Serie B team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Thanks that was an awful error on my behalf. Your info should put Deppo back in his cage but it won't I am so sorry. Now that it has been confirmed by a poster on an internet forum it can go down as fact rather than speculation. My apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 It has been a worthwhile exercise apart from Deppo's pathetic sniping. That's a bit nasty, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I heard that his favourite food was risotto. Can anyone corroborate this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I heard that his favourite food was risotto. Can anyone corroborate this? it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 it was Great! Into the book it goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I heard he liked liver, with some fava beans washed down with a nice Chianti. Anybody else hear this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 (edited) I heard he liked liver, with some fava beans washed down with a nice Chianti. Anybody else hear this? I can corroborate this. I think he once said that his favourite TV programme whilst he was over here was Time Team. Can anyone back that up? Edited 15 February, 2011 by Deppo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I can corroborate this. that's a lie. i heard it was kidney's not liver! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Oh ok, best leave that one out until we can clear up those conflicting stories, FF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 But was he? According to Cortese, yeah. Even if you think he's the anti-christ, why would he lie about something like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I can corroborate this. I think he once said that his favourite TV programme whilst he was over here was Time Team. Can anyone back that up? i think he was more a fan of Tony Robinson due to his excellent performance of Baldrick in Blackadder. maybe i'm nitpicking a bit much here? lets leave it to FF to decide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I'm sure FF doesn't really think somebody saying so on this forum is proof of a story. He probably asks some bloke down the pub too, or maybe a taxi driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 that's a lie. i heard it was kidney's not liver! Sorry, but chianti just doesn't work with kidneys - liver it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 I think he was a more intelligent player than was obvious. He worked hard and tackled when playing wide on the right and was able to pass the ball around. I think he had far more vision / awareness than Puncheon for example. Here here. All those that banged on about offside were short sighted to what he actually brought to the squad & his goal scoring assists & picking out Lambert was superb as well as his ability to track back & turn of pace to change defence into counter attacks. Numerous JPT matches, Walsall home when the team were stale until his sub, numerous other chances but sadly fickle fans & detractors only saw what they wanted to see. We miss his input a lot IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntingdon Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 I liked him He was incredibly unpredictable, but in League 1 that was one of his strengths I'm not sure why we didn't take up the option to buy him, I get the impression that Pardew didn't possibly fancy him enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 (edited) Need corroboration Derry. We were told means nothing I think it came from Ron. email him. With his impact, being Markus Leibherr's favourite player, Pardew wasn't going to get away with ditching him especially as he had to agree to the club's ambition on style. I think it was more likely that he didn't want to stay, with Pardew's attitude and his political position in the middle. Edited 16 February, 2011 by derry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 I reckon he left us as a better player than when he arrived, element of excitement about his unpredictability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 I liked him He was incredibly unpredictable, but in League 1 that was one of his strengths I'm not sure why we didn't take up the option to buy him, I get the impression that Pardew didn't possibly fancy him enough As I said yesterday the cost of having him here was probably far too great with respect to his effectiveness. I read on a site somewhere that his "estimated salary" is about 550/600K euros a year. Could be crap of course but that's nearly 10K a week over a season and I really doubt that he was worth that to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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