alpine_saint Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Win this, and in doing so killing another bogey team, will convince me that promotion is do-able. What would convince the other Doubting Thomas's amongst us ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Monkey Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 You being convinced will convince me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 To win all our remaining games, starting with tomorrow at Walsall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Win this, and in doing so killing another bogey team, will convince me that promotion is do-able. I don't for a second believe that. It's just too out of character for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1976 Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Going on a run over the next six games - say winning four and drawing two. Brighton have never really been put under pressure so far, it would be good to at least know how they would respond to it rather than be left wondering and thinking 'if only'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketphilly Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I still think we can win the league, I feel that Brighton have a 'blow up' in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I don't for a second believe that. It's just too out of character for you. I've said previously on here that getting out of this league will finally convince me we are on the right course back to the big-time, and that my negativity will no longer be deserved, and that its getting out this league that is the big hurdle to overcome. If we are starting to bury bogeys, that for me is indicative that things really are different about this team and this club. The Swindon result is not completely valid, because they are sh*te at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Will we be able to pay on the day for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohwhenthesaints Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Do Colchester ever play Lloyd James at right back? Would love to see Lallana up against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Do Colchester ever play Lloyd James at right back? Would love to see Lallana up against him. He has only played 2 games for them. Says a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Win this, and in doing so killing another bogey team, will convince me that promotion is do-able. What would convince the other Doubting Thomas's amongst us ? Don't fall back into bad habits, Alpine. As you mentioned on the Swindon thread, you think our promotion chances are 55%. Not only do you already think that promotion is do-able, you actually think it is likely. It obviously becomes likelier still if we can beat Colchester... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Win this, and in doing so killing another bogey team, will convince me that promotion is do-able. What would convince the other Doubting Thomas's amongst us ? Do you mean do-able or will get promoted. Promotion is do-able and I think we will be promoted even with the bookies we are odds on at 4/11 But this is football nothing is certain look at Arsenal yesterday but we will only be promoted when no other club can not be promoted which could be sometime in April Why not relax and enjoy the rest of the season we may well get promoted but if we dont there is always next year and in the real world it is not that important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I will be convinced we are heading in the right direction when David Lee beats his man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanimal Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Need to watch the long throw ins as you can se on the highlights of the Plymouth game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Don't fall back into bad habits, Alpine. As you mentioned on the Swindon thread, you think our promotion chances are 55%. Not only do you already think that promotion is do-able, you actually think it is likely. It obviously becomes likelier still if we can beat Colchester... Jesus, you are a bore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Why not relax and enjoy the rest of the season we may well get promoted but if we dont there is always next year and in the real world it is not that important. This post is truly bizarre. Do you have any ambition ? Not getting promoted will be a disaster like no other, because it could well see NC and the Liebherrs walk away, seeing as they will feel that they cant even get off first base with their plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didcot Saint Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 We can still win this league and i reckon we will beat Col U. Keep the faith! BTW, anyone who is thinking of driving there, DO NOT park in the club car park behind the ground. It will take you well over an hour to get out. Went last season. Terrible ground with no atmosphere. Another noddy club of the highest order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I will be getting the train from London. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Jesus, you are a bore... Alpine, don't let anger subsume you. Remain calm, take deep breaths... We are in agreement...we both think Saints will probably be promoted and we both think our chances will be even greater if we beat Colchester... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 (edited) This post is truly bizarre. Do you have any ambition ? Not getting promoted will be a disaster like no other, because it could well see NC and the Liebherrs walk away, seeing as they will feel that they cant even get off first base with their plan. Dont be a c*ck, administration and 10 point deduction was, in football terms anyway, a disaster. Not being promoted whilst massively disapointing would not be a disaster. People need to get over this "if xxx scenario happens the Liebherrs will walk away". It's nonsense, do you think any decent business man after buying a business for £13m will just go "f*ck this, they didn't do as well as we'd hoped, i'm out" This isn't Dragons Den you know, i dont believe in the product so i'm not going to invest in it. THey own the club, do you think they'll just write off the money they paid out and put the closed signs up in the window? They willl have to sell the club, if they do then a League One club, punching below it's weight, in a premier league stadium, fan base most NPC clubs would be jealous of and no debt at all would surely make us an attractive proposition to anyone. In any case, i thought you'd be glad to see the back of them, given your constant moaning about out transfer activity during the windows, surely you'd prefer someone to come in who just throws money away signing player after player? Edited 28 February, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 This post is truly bizarre. Do you have any ambition ? Not getting promoted will be a disaster like no other, because it could well see NC and the Liebherrs walk away, seeing as they will feel that they cant even get off first base with their plan. You are rather a drama queen just relax and go out an put a few Euros on Saints for Promotion at 4/11 I doubt whether the Liebherrs will sell up until we are in the PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 (edited) What if we lose to Walsall then win this? What if we beat Walsall then lose this? What about 4 points? I'd take the 4 points myself. Would cement 2nd and keep up a decent run of form. Just like this week, 4 points from two games is a decent return. I'd be happy with 4 this week as well, delighted with 6 and disapointed with less. Some expect us to win every game, if we dont beat Colchester does it end our promotion hopes? No, but it makes it a little tougher, if we beat them does it mean we will go up? No, but it'll make a bit easier. People need to look at our form over a period of time, rather than if we win saturday i think we'll go up. We have only lost once in the league in 2011, despite us apparantly not playing well and all the despair from the usual suspects in January that all of our midfield was injured or leaving. Makes you wonder if the management do actually know what they are doing afterall.... Edited 28 February, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Just like this week, 4 points from two games is a decent return. I'd be happy with 4 this week as well, delighted with 6 and disapointed with less. Some expect us to win every game, if we dont beat Colchester does it end our promotion hopes? No, but it makes it a little tougher, if we beat them does it mean we will go up? No, but it'll make a bit easier. People need to look at our form over a period of time, rather than if we win saturday i think we'll go up. We have only lost once in the league in 2011, despite us apparantly not playing well and all the despair from the usual suspects in January that all of our midfield was injured or leaving. Makes you wonder if the management do actually know what they are doing afterall.... Agree with this. 6 points = fantastic 4 points = that'll do 3 points = a bit disappointing 2 or less = big groan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 You are rather a drama queen just relax and go out an put a few Euros on Saints for Promotion at 4/11 I doubt whether the Liebherrs will sell up until we are in the PL I agree. There's little sign they'd sell. But frankly, even if they did, it would not be anything like as disastrous as the administration and near death experience. Whoever bought the club would have a debt-free outfit with an incredibly large (and disproportionately affluent) fanbase for the third division. It would be an enormous disappointment all round, but not getting promoted (and then even being sold) would not be - to quote Alpine - "a disaster like no other" (at least not in quantitative terms) In fact, it wouldn't even be the biggest disaster to hit Saints in the last 2 years. But don't worry, we will very likely be promoted. Even if we're not, the present owners are unlikely to sell. I'd put Saints not being promoted AND then the Liebherrs selling up shop at about 40/1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I agree. There's little sign they'd sell. But frankly, even if they did, it would not be anything like as disastrous as the administration and near death experience. Whoever bought the club would have a debt-free outfit with an incredibly large (and disproportionately affluent) fanbase for the third division. It would be an enormous disappointment all round, but not getting promoted (and then even being sold) would not be - to quote Alpine - "a disaster like no other" (at least not in quantitative terms) In fact, it wouldn't even be the biggest disaster to hit Saints in the last 2 years. But don't worry, we will very likely be promoted. Even if we're not, the present owners are unlikely to sell. I'd put Saints not being promoted AND then the Liebherrs selling up shop at about 40/1. I would put evens on the Liebherrs selling what ever happens. I dont believe ML's children have they same commitment to us that he did.If ML was alive we would have had a couple of signings to bolster our promotion up the leagues. IMO we are being left to our own devices by the heirs, NC is doing hios best with the resources on offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Win this, and in doing so killing another bogey team, will convince me that promotion is do-able. What would convince the other Doubting Thomas's amongst us ? Just to turn this on it's head, by saying that win against a midtable side would convince you that promotion is do-able, at the moment are you saying that promotion is not do-able? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 You've made the schoolboy error of reasoning that a previous Alpine post has any bearing on a future Alpine post. His opinion, if it can be called that, changes every week and covers more angles than....Kelvin. That last sentence is just not fair - show me a post Alpine has ever made that could be deemed positive? Different areas and slants of negativity granted.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I would put evens on the Liebherrs selling what ever happens. I dont believe ML's children have they same commitment to us that he did.If ML was alive we would have had a couple of signings to bolster our promotion up the leagues. IMO we are being left to our own devices by the heirs, NC is doing hios best with the resources on offer. Perspective. Liebherr's estate is worth £2.5bn (that's 2500 . Saint's current asset value is maybe worth £40m and cost price would be less if you factored in running costs and investment required to move it to the oft mentioned 'next level'. So Saint's is 0.02% of the big man's estate - selling up wouldn't be worth the effort in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Perspective. Liebherr's estate is worth £2.5bn (that's 2500 . Saint's current asset value is maybe worth £40m and cost price would be less if you factored in running costs and investment required to move it to the oft mentioned 'next level'. So Saint's is 0.02% of the big man's estate - selling up wouldn't be worth the effort in my opinion. perhaps but it may alos be more than 0.02% of the famillies aggravation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 if we are breaking even then there is absolutely no reason for selling up. Personally I'm more worried about losing Lallana and others should we not get promoted as aposed to the owners selling up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blandford saint Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Cortese is taking all the aggravation - they don't have anything to worry about as long as they trust him to do a good job. At the moment there is no reason to suppose he's not. I'm sure Cortese has found that the players we deem good enough to improve the team are usually already playing higher division football - promotion is needed to make us a more attractive prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR Boy Saint Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Agree with this. 6 points = fantastic 4 points = that'll do 3 points = a bit disappointing 2 or less = big groan Much the way I'd think about it. Take points from each game, win at home, win more than you draw away from home, try and remain unbeaten overall. I'm sure that would see us promoted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Im going to this in a rare away fixture. I hear the nearest pub is miles away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 This post is truly bizarre. Do you have any ambition ? Not getting promoted will be a disaster like no other, because it could well see NC and the Liebherrs walk away, seeing as they will feel that they cant even get off first base with their plan. This is actually the truly bizarre post. Cortese/Liebherr's won't walk away if promotion isn't achieved this season. Cortese himself said that the plan can still be done if we don't go up this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 This is actually the truly bizarre post. Cortese/Liebherr's won't walk away if promotion isn't achieved this season. Cortese himself said that the plan can still be done if we don't go up this year. I think we definitely wont keep AL or AOX if we dont go op, so selling them would give us loads of cash to make another charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 perhaps but it may alos be more than 0.02% of the famillies aggravation It's no aggravation at all. Cortese runs everything. They just own the holding company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I think we definitely wont keep AL or AOX if we dont go op, so selling them would give us loads of cash to make another charge Indeed. If we don't go up we will raise the best part of £20m of player sales in the summer. That is a ridiculous amount for a club in the third tier to raise. We will be favourites for promotion next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I think we definitely wont keep AL or AOX if we dont go op, so selling them would give us loads of cash to make another charge You can add Schniederlin, Lambert and Fonte to that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_John Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 This is actually the truly bizarre post. Cortese/Liebherr's won't walk away if promotion isn't achieved this season. Cortese himself said that the plan can still be done if we don't go up this year. I agree. There seems to be a "myth" being spread that just because very little money was spent in Jan that the plan has changed. I suggest that certain people reread the Echo from the 8th July 2009. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4479991.Markus_Liebherr_is_the__ideal_owner__for_Saints/ If he does acquire Saints he will not spend money all over the place, he will be sensible and measured. He won’t just go mad and throw money at it, but Southampton are getting a first rate new owner.” Back on the subject of THIS THREAD, the Pink looked at the top 10 sides and how many results had changed in the last 10 mins of a game. Saints only had 2 games - 4-4 against PBoro and the 2-1 win at Exeter. However Colchester had Late Woe Exeter (a) D 2-2, Sheff W (H) D 1-1, Carlisle (H) 1-1, Hartlepool (a) 1-0 Late Joy Rochdale (a) W 2-1, Walsall (a) W 1-0, Notts (H) W 3-2, Orient (H) 3-2, Hartlepool (H) W 3-2, Rotten Fruit (H) W 2-1, PBoro (H) W 2-1, Swindon (H) W 2-1. i.e. they have won 8 games by scoring in the last 10 mins of games, the best of the top 10 sides. Saints MUST focus for 95 mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 He once said we'd probably win when we were 5-0 up against Oldham with a few minutes left. He wasn't certain, but he was fairly positive. That was a terrible result, look at the effect it had one the team, if only we'd won 2-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 So right at this moment in time Alpine you don't think promotion is doable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 He once said we'd probably win when we were 5-0 up against Oldham with a few minutes left. He wasn't certain, but he was fairly positive. But only 2 days ago he outlined his contempt and disgust with a 6-0 win on the live match thread, so you can't use that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 So right at this moment in time Alpine you don't think promotion is doable? He thinks we will probably be promoted - he puts the chances at 55% on the post-match Swindon thread. I'm assuming that we can all agree that "doable" is a subset of "probable"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 2-0 would have been better, but you have to then feel we aren't managing to be ruthless enough and they nearly got back in the game several times. If we aren't clinical we'll get punished next time. Not good enough and on that basis, we're out....of the promotion race. What really worries me is that we had 4 different goal scorers on saturday and also at Oldham in our terrible 6-0 win, we dont seem to have a player capable of scoring more than one goal a game, unless they are penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 What really worries me is that we had 4 different goal scorers on saturday and also at Oldham in our terrible 6-0 win, we dont seem to have a player capable of scoring more than one goal a game, unless they are penalties. Or Headers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwiz Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 What really worries me is that we had 4 different goal scorers on saturday and also at Oldham in our terrible 6-0 win, we dont seem to have a player capable of scoring more than one goal a game, unless they are penalties.[/quote goals from different areas would be better than relying on one player surely?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 What really worries me is that we had 4 different goal scorers on saturday and also at Oldham in our terrible 6-0 win, we dont seem to have a player capable of scoring more than one goal a game, unless they are penalties. Why does that worry you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 What really worries me is that we had 4 different goal scorers on saturday and also at Oldham in our terrible 6-0 win, we dont seem to have a player capable of scoring more than one goal a game, unless they are penalties. We haven't has a penalty in a few games either, which could spell the end of our promotion hopes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 February, 2011 You can add Schniederlin, Lambert and Fonte to that list. Well according to you and bender, we will lose most of the team if we dont go up, meaning team rebuild next season meaning no promotion next season either. Meaning the 5 year plan is a sitting duck. Reckon NC would cut his losses and leave if we dont go up this season, and the impact it would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Strange, I could have sworn the title of this thread was "Colchester Away." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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