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to delve into the loan market to show our intent, freshen the team up and make us stronger for the run in. If we really do want to go up we should invest a little to push us on. i want us to have a massive advantage over the rest who are jockeying for position

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Before anyone else says it - "gelling"
quality doesn't take long to gel.Whilst i agree some players do take time to settle in others click straight away. it also makes players realise they have to fight for their place and so may step up a gear. To me we need some more players
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quality doesn't take long to gel.Whilst i agree some players do take time to settle in others click straight away. it also makes players realise they have to fight for their place and so may step up a gear. To me we need some more players

 

But we will gt on here when said player comes on for 20 mins and doesnt score 3 goals is "FFS, why did we bother, usual lump of **** couldnt trap/pass/score..." when they havent been given a chance to bed in. Then the boo-boys will start.

 

Suddenly the wheels on the bus are falling off.

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Yep, I'd say we definitely need to bring in some new players and mess around with the team after our recent run of poor form.

 

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thats it rest on our laurels. Whilst we have done ok we have hardly been awesome. LB may well be otherwise employed during the run in, we may pick up injuries and suspensions, add to that complacency (by fans it seems) due to lack of competition and so fresh faces would give a us a kick on
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But we will gt on here when said player comes on for 20 mins and doesnt score 3 goals is "FFS, why did we bother, usual lump of **** couldnt trap/pass/score..." when they havent been given a chance to bed in. Then the boo-boys will start.

 

Suddenly the wheels on the bus are falling off.

i agree and we have to hope that NA does have a good eye for a player. The jury is out on that at present
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On paper the bench last night didn't look that strong. 1st team looked good but thought the bench was a little light weight.

 

Obviously it was strong enough but if we are getting anyone in on loan then IMO they will only to strengthen the squad and as such the bench. That's hardly going to fill the fans full of confidence when we bring in yet another squad member is it?

 

Unless we can bring in someone that will obviously strengthen the 1st team then I doubt and don't think it's worth bringing anyone else in.

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On paper the bench last night didn't look that strong.

 

Really? I'd say bar Forecast and Gobern, they'd all by name get into the majority of other teams in this division. Gobern looked pretty good when he came on too, he'd certainly get into Yeovil's team.

 

Think people are becoming slightly greedy and over expectant with regards to the transfer market. When at full strength players like Dickson can't make our bench, he'd walk into alot of other teams in this league. We've had an injury or two but the only position i'd be worried about as long as we didn't get more injuries is central midfield but I'd certainly be willing to give Gobern a chance over a loanee. Otherwise what is the point of having young players?

 

Sure, if we get injuries to players such as Lallana and Chambo, we are going to be stretched but no doubt given a good run in the team and good backing N'Guessen and Forte could do a job for us. The problem being people are quick to judge when they fill in for 20 minutes here and there. We have the luxury where players like that are not going to get a good run in the team because Lallana and Chambo are so good and so important for us.

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thats it rest on our laurels. Whilst we have done ok we have hardly been awesome. LB may well be otherwise employed during the run in, we may pick up injuries and suspensions, add to that complacency (by fans it seems) due to lack of competition and so fresh faces would give a us a kick on

 

Yeah, but your big problem here is you're not going to get quality players coming to Southampton to warm the bench in case someone gets injured. If we want to sign the kind of quality/high profile player that's going to make an impact they're going to want to come straight into the first team and frankly, who do you drop at the moment? We're currently getting results and surely that's what this game is all about?

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Yep, I'd say we definitely need to bring in some new players and mess around with the team after our recent run of poor form.

 

:facepalm:

 

I don't know if you have watched many matches recently but if you had you will have seen that while we are picking up the required amount of points for promotion we are heading for a fall that we may be unable to pick ourselves up from. To avert that fall it could well be prudent to make a foray into the loan market before the window closes.

There are too many on this forum who don't go to matches who think everything will be ok because of results. Scratch the surface a bit and you will see it's not that good.

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I don't know if you have watched many matches recently but if you had you will have seen that while we are picking up the required amount of points for promotion we are heading for a fall that we may be unable to pick ourselves up from. To avert that fall it could well be prudent to make a foray into the loan market before the window closes.

There are too many on this forum who don't go to matches who think everything will be ok because of results. Scratch the surface a bit and you will see it's not that good.

 

Funnily enough Duncan I have been watching games and am very much looking forward to going to Bournemouth on Saturday too. Personally I'm pretty happy with the squad we have and if anything I believe a lot of our problems lie with Adkins inability to motivate the team as well as he should be. I don't see how getting a few more 'average squad palyers' on loan is going to turn things around. We have enough quality and depth to be comfortably pushing for promotion and, if we end up falling short of the mark, I wouldn't put it down to the squad of players we have.

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On paper the bench last night didn't look that strong. 1st team looked good but thought the bench was a little light weight.

 

Obviously it was strong enough but if we are getting anyone in on loan then IMO they will only to strengthen the squad and as such the bench. That's hardly going to fill the fans full of confidence when we bring in yet another squad member is it?

 

Unless we can bring in someone that will obviously strengthen the 1st team then I doubt and don't think it's worth bringing anyone else in.

 

you serious?

 

N'Geussan - 23 year old just come from Leicester - played 23 games at higher level in last two season - sub in league 1

Forte - 24 year old also just come from CCC - played 91 times for them -sub in league 1

Richardson - 28 years old, can play in different positions, league 1 team of year - sub in league 1

Seaborne - 24 years old, 84 appearances for Exeter, 16 for us - sub in league 1

Gobbern - 20 years old, england U19, good prospect - looked good last night, and seems to get bigger each week!

Dickson - 24 years old, 87 appearnances for Brentford

Forecast - will give you that one!!

 

What sort of bench do you expect in league 1??!!

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It's not that good, but it's good enough to get out of this totally awful league, as last night and Saturday proved. Reinforcements will be needed for definite should we gain promotion. We should have enough as our run in is pretty decent, but this is saints..

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you serious?

 

N'Geussan - 23 year old just come from Leicester - played 23 games at higher level in last two season - sub in league 1

Forte - 24 year old also just come from CCC - played 91 times for them -sub in league 1

Richardson - 28 years old, can play in different positions, league 1 team of year - sub in league 1

Seaborne - 24 years old, 84 appearances for Exeter, 16 for us - sub in league 1

Gobbern - 20 years old, england U19, good prospect - looked good last night, and seems to get bigger each week!

Dickson - 24 years old, 87 appearnances for Brentford

Forecast - will give you that one!!

 

What sort of bench do you expect in league 1??!!

 

Add in Guly who will most likely make the bench on Sat and its a fair point.

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I can see where the OP is coming from. Look at Huddersfield. They brought in Kilbane and he has been one of their better players since he has been there.

 

But as others have said, the players on our bench would easily walk into other league 1 starting XI's.

 

Tough call to make.

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you serious?

 

N'Geussan - 23 year old just come from Leicester - played 23 games at higher level in last two season - sub in league 1

Forte - 24 year old also just come from CCC - played 91 times for them -sub in league 1

Richardson - 28 years old, can play in different positions, league 1 team of year - sub in league 1

Seaborne - 24 years old, 84 appearances for Exeter, 16 for us - sub in league 1

Gobbern - 20 years old, england U19, good prospect - looked good last night, and seems to get bigger each week!

Dickson - 24 years old, 87 appearnances for Brentford

Forecast - will give you that one!!

 

What sort of bench do you expect in league 1??!!

 

Add in Guly who will most likely make the bench on Sat and its a fair point.

 

and Jaidi and Connolly and Schneiderlin!

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Why are signings always the answer despite us showing year after year we're extremely hit and miss with it and end up with the same problems?

 

It's hard for players coming into a club with this level of expectation. Who is there? Clubs don't want to loan out players at this stage of the season, not quality anyway, I can't think of any. We're spoilt IMO. Look at NGuessan, he's got some ability, bit erratic but good for L1 and if he played every game I think overall he'd be rated. BUT, he plays when Lallana/Chambo don't, so he's compared to them and ultimately comes up short, understandably. If Lallana or Chambo weren't at the club, we'd give the likes of NGuessan a much easier ride.

 

In CM, we have 3 good options, but Gobern doesn't look out of his depth when I see him, has some ability so why not give him a chance when needed? Again, people seem to write him off because he's not Chamberlain level of youth, he's just a half decent prospect. What about Connolly? Yeah, injury prone, but so what, we've only got a dozen games and he's there for an impact in a handful which could be vital. I think the squad is far more than good enough. If it fails, it's about management failing to get the best out of the squad, management changes and a woeful start, not a lack of signings or money.

 

Remind me who are main rivals are? That's right, Bournemouth, yet we need more signings?

 

I'm glad I'm not alone on this one!

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I can see where the OP is coming from. Look at Huddersfield. They brought in Kilbane and he has been one of their better players since he has been there.

 

But as others have said, the players on our bench would easily walk into other league 1 starting XI's.

 

Tough call to make.

 

Think Huddersfield fans will disagree with you on that one. "Utter gash" is the term my Huddersfield supporting mate used recently.

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I don't know if you have watched many matches recently but if you had you will have seen that while we are picking up the required amount of points for promotion we are heading for a fall that we may be unable to pick ourselves up from. To avert that fall it could well be prudent to make a foray into the loan market before the window closes.

There are too many on this forum who don't go to matches who think everything will be ok because of results. Scratch the surface a bit and you will see it's not that good.

 

Think far too many people go to games and read too much into poor performances against terrible opposition. We up our game against better teams IMO. Last night especially the atmosphere and opposition was truly terrible. I defy anyone to play last night and be at 100% tempo for the whole game. We were much better 2nd half when we went to a diamond. It meant Lallana and Chambo couldn't be followed round and nullified the whole half, which opened them both up to move freely and dominate the game.

 

We were in full control last night in what seemed like a reserve game. Fully expect us to up our game against better teams and better atmosphere not only because the players will respond to it but because better teams will be slightly more open and confident in there ability therefore allowing us to pick them off and dominate.

 

Yesterday they attacked on the counter and even that despite was incredibly poor. We dealt with it, we dominated, we scored 3 and we walked away with 3 points. Saturday will see an improvement.

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Gelling is for cake-makers.

 

Professional sportsmen dont need it. Was always pathetic excuse-making b*ll*cks from Burley.

 

So if we had a squad of 30 players and drastically changed the line-up for each and every game we would have consistent performances and results? I'm sorry but you're talking total and utter rubbish. You have to have a strong nucleus in the squad and this is only achieved by playing a regular team. By all means rotate 1 or 2 players but to say 'gelling' is for cake-makers goes to show what little understanding you have for the game of football.

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you serious?

 

N'Geussan - 23 year old just come from Leicester - played 23 games at higher level in last two season - sub in league 1

Forte - 24 year old also just come from CCC - played 91 times for them -sub in league 1

Richardson - 28 years old, can play in different positions, league 1 team of year - sub in league 1

Seaborne - 24 years old, 84 appearances for Exeter, 16 for us - sub in league 1

Gobbern - 20 years old, england U19, good prospect - looked good last night, and seems to get bigger each week!

Dickson - 24 years old, 87 appearnances for Brentford

Forecast - will give you that one!!

 

What sort of bench do you expect in league 1??!!

Unfortunately I dont see those as of the calibre to put us above any other team in the league. i was suggesting/thinking that we put a signing who will zest us up and make a difference not more of the same. Iam happy that Guly is around to help , but the others ?? would you expect any to take the game by the scruff of the neck to win us games.I obviously am in the minority and dont see what many others do about the strength of our side. Personally I see us as top 6 and with luck a chance to scrape into the top 2,I wish for an injection of quality to assure our position in the top 2
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Really? I'd say bar Forecast and Gobern, they'd all by name get into the majority of other teams in this division. Gobern looked pretty good when he came on too, he'd certainly get into Yeovil's team.

 

Think people are becoming slightly greedy and over expectant with regards to the transfer market. When at full strength players like Dickson can't make our bench, he'd walk into alot of other teams in this league. We've had an injury or two but the only position i'd be worried about as long as we didn't get more injuries is central midfield but I'd certainly be willing to give Gobern a chance over a loanee. Otherwise what is the point of having young players?

 

Sure, if we get injuries to players such as Lallana and Chambo, we are going to be stretched but no doubt given a good run in the team and good backing N'Guessen and Forte could do a job for us. The problem being people are quick to judge when they fill in for 20 minutes here and there. We have the luxury where players like that are not going to get a good run in the team because Lallana and Chambo are so good and so important for us.

 

I think thats my point though. On paper the bench looked a little light weight compared to what it has been at times this season. Injurys are the main reason for this and none of them are perminent. Get Holmes, DC, Bart, Jaidi and Morgan back and the bench is full of 1st team players that make it look strong again.

 

Im not saying those that stood in are not capable. But anyone that gets brought in would need to be at the very least the standard that last nights bench was at but pushing more towards the standard of those out injured.

 

IMO it probably wont happen and we will stick with what we have unless we get any more injurys forcing us to bring people in.

 

Im glad Gobern and Martin are getting some chances. I thought Gobern was going to progres when we 1st used him but he went off the boil, probably as his confedence was shot alone with the rest of the team. If he comes back now and reaches his potential then he could be good for us. Would he make the bench right now ahead of a fit Morgan, Holmes or even DC though?

 

So while the bench looked light I think it is still very capable for league 1 and will get stronger by just getting some players back from injury.

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you serious?

 

N'Geussan - 23 year old just come from Leicester - played 23 games at higher level in last two season - sub in league 1

Forte - 24 year old also just come from CCC - played 91 times for them -sub in league 1

Richardson - 28 years old, can play in different positions, league 1 team of year - sub in league 1

Seaborne - 24 years old, 84 appearances for Exeter, 16 for us - sub in league 1

Gobbern - 20 years old, england U19, good prospect - looked good last night, and seems to get bigger each week!

Dickson - 24 years old, 87 appearnances for Brentford

Forecast - will give you that one!!

 

What sort of bench do you expect in league 1??!!

 

Ive just said above that its not that I think its a bad bench but compared to what we would have available without injury's it is a little light. I dont think there is much that can or will be done about it as anyone being brought in would need to be of 1st team standard. I doubt there are many players available that would replace many of our 1st team and any that are willing to come and warm the bench will prob be of the same standard we already have doing that very same thing. Not much point in that IMO.

 

My personal views of the players from the bench last night are what make me think the bench was a little light though and if we bring the likes of Holmes, Jaidi, Morgan, DC and Bart back in from injurys how many from last bench would still make the bench?

 

I saw N'Geussan at Exeter and thought he had the touch of a rapist. Good cross for the goal but until then I could only applaud the effort he put in trying to keep the ball under control as he ran.

Not seen Forte play so cant give an honest opinion but it sounds like he has some work to do to improve his standard if he wants to compete for a 1st team spot that some of our injured players would automatically get a look in for.

Richardson and Dickson are 1st team players and are being kept out of the team by 2 players who are equally deserving of that 1st team spot

Seaborne along with Martin who started have the potential to be our regular 1st teamers and are more than capable to rotating with Jaidi until they reach there potential

I really want Gobern to become a 1st team player week in week out as he is another product of our system, and whilst he is doing well and getting better he is only getting chances due to injurys of curent 1st teamers. That may change soon as he improves and settles into the team more but for now he is still down in the pecking order.

Forecast in theory is no worse than any other keeper we may be able to get in on loan. If KD got injured the other week how confident would we have been to have the arsenal kid between the posts? Any more so that Forecast?

 

So although it is less of a bench that we have been lucky to have I dont think there is much that will get done unless we lose anyone else with injury's or we get the chance to bring someone in that will take an automatic 1st team spot and help us push for 1st in the league.

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Why are signings always the answer despite us showing year after year we're extremely hit and miss with it and end up with the same problems?

 

It's hard for players coming into a club with this level of expectation. Who is there? Clubs don't want to loan out players at this stage of the season, not quality anyway, I can't think of any. We're spoilt IMO. Look at NGuessan, he's got some ability, bit erratic but good for L1 and if he played every game I think overall he'd be rated. BUT, he plays when Lallana/Chambo don't, so he's compared to them and ultimately comes up short, understandably. If Lallana or Chambo weren't at the club, we'd give the likes of NGuessan a much easier ride.

 

In CM, we have 3 good options, but Gobern doesn't look out of his depth when I see him, has some ability so why not give him a chance when needed? Again, people seem to write him off because he's not Chamberlain level of youth, he's just a half decent prospect. What about Connolly? Yeah, injury prone, but so what, we've only got a dozen games and he's there for an impact in a handful which could be vital. I think the squad is far more than good enough. If it fails, it's about management failing to get the best out of the squad, management changes and a woeful start, not a lack of signings or money.

 

Remind me who are main rivals are? That's right, Bournemouth, yet we need more signings?

 

Spot on, sums it up perfectly for me. I can't get over some of our fans thinking we STILL need more signings. At the moment we are on track to achieve our goal, despite a hideous first half dozen games of the season. IF we fail, it will be because the players/team bottled it, not because we didnt sign X,Y or Z or didnt have enough strength in depth. This is league 1 FFS

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to delve into the loan market to show our intent, freshen the team up and make us stronger for the run in. If we really do want to go up we should invest a little to push us on. i want us to have a massive advantage over the rest who are jockeying for position

 

CAREFUL , Old Nick,

Bacck aaat the New Year, when I suggested that we needed to strengthen the squad there were widespread insults from many who said; we were good enough, don't bring in new faces and upset the prima-donnas, don't waste money on sub standard players, we've already got the best team in the league...etc

Well, now we've suddenly got a lot of injuries and the prospect of a couple of players on the verge of a 5 card suspension and

the same people are panicking...why doesn't NA ..do so-and-so...

 

The truth is, a lot of people can't see beyond the next match and judge the team's perfromance on the last one.

 

Hopefully we won't have any more injuries and the walking wounded will recover soon.

 

ME ..I still want another striker! ..(not that I disatisfied with Lambert & Co,) but we still have a dozen or so games to go and we need to win at least 9 of them to be certain of CCC football next year, and we need goals in every game to be sure.

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Funnily enough Duncan I have been watching games and am very much looking forward to going to Bournemouth on Saturday too. Personally I'm pretty happy with the squad we have and if anything I believe a lot of our problems lie with Adkins inability to motivate the team as well as he should be. I don't see how getting a few more 'average squad palyers' on loan is going to turn things around. We have enough quality and depth to be comfortably pushing for promotion and, if we end up falling short of the mark, I wouldn't put it down to the squad of players we have.

 

I agree with this. If we fail to get promoted the players will have to shoulder their share of responsibility though.

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So if we had a squad of 30 players and drastically changed the line-up for each and every game we would have consistent performances and results? I'm sorry but you're talking total and utter rubbish. You have to have a strong nucleus in the squad and this is only achieved by playing a regular team. By all means rotate 1 or 2 players but to say 'gelling' is for cake-makers goes to show what little understanding you have for the game of football.

 

How ironic that you are judging the footballing knowledge of others in the very same post where you try to justify your weak position with an example that depends on drasitc changes in line-up

 

:lol:

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Almost alone though, and adrian doesnt count because he has anger management issues.

 

Alpine, take it from someone who goes to a number of games, we don't need new signings. I was disappointed in January but I don't think there would be many players we could get on loan now who could improve the team. With the players we have we should definitely be performing better and IMO that responsibility falls on the manager more than the players. Saturday should tell us a lot about our mental strength.

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I don't know if you have watched many matches recently but if you had you will have seen that while we are picking up the required amount of points for promotion we are heading for a fall that we may be unable to pick ourselves up from. To avert that fall it could well be prudent to make a foray into the loan market before the window closes.

There are too many on this forum who don't go to matches who think everything will be ok because of results. Scratch the surface a bit and you will see it's not that good.

 

Dear FF

 

We've had a big fall.

It was at Walsall.

 

HTH 8)

 

The squad is good enough with ONE injury per position, it is not good enough with TWO injuries per position. I like the point that Gobern will develop with game time even if I am not sure he is yet a match winner. I would certainly be worried to see him start in the next couple of weeks, so a case for improving CM is valid.

 

Are there any more Chaplow's out there though? He seems to be a perfect (ie talented & committed but inconsistent) L1 player.

 

It is all very good saying we need to get a loan player in but WHO?

 

A month's loan of a PL starlet? Well we got one from Arsenil and never saw him. We are talking about LOAN players so unless a club has financial problems that means looking at CCC or PL. But many OTHER teams are also looking the same way. Could we REALLY bring in a PL starlet and guarantee him 13 games to the end of the season? No IMHO which means they would choose somewhere else

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Good post Phil (better than your usual digression about golf tournaments :) ). I think the question would be who could we get at this stage of the season to improve our team. I don't think there would be anyone.

 

It's like David's post above - he wanted a new striker in January, we got one who has played about 40 minutes in total by the second week of March. He wants another one. OK DiS, WHO? I think we've all read between the lines and seen we TRIED to get Austin or CMS but the Oxo BS screwed that up with their clubs trying to rip us off.

 

I've said for over a year now that we NEED cover for RL. We have nobody in the team who fulfills the same role, meaning that if we did lose him for a run of games we have to change our style of play. But for wahtever reasons we couldnt find one and the only kid of that style coming through was Patto who seemed to go off the rails at Southend and is out on loan at Stockport and Ryan Doble isn't (by what little I saw of him v Reading in pre season) by any stretch a RL replacement

 

I have to laugh sometimes, every thread is a rant, but very rarely do we actually see any PROPOSALS.

 

And as for saying DC will come good and do a job & Holmes will be back, yeah right & I am up for a 3some with Amy Pond and Megan Fox this weekend

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we have got everything we need in the current squad, now its all about whether we bottle it or not ..

 

TBH listening last night and reading many comments on here, it isn't just teh TEAM that has to hold things together, it's the SMS crowd as well. Booing our own subs? Think the fans need a kick up the ass mentally as well as the team

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It's like David's post above - he wanted a new striker in January, we got one who has played about 40 minutes in total by the second week of March. He wants another one. OK DiS, WHO? I think we've all read between the lines and seen we TRIED to get Austin or CMS but the Oxo BS screwed that up with their clubs trying to rip us off.

 

I've said for over a year now that we NEED cover for RL. We have nobody in the team who fulfills the same role, meaning that if we did lose him for a run of games we have to change our style of play. But for wahtever reasons we couldnt find one and the only kid of that style coming through was Patto who seemed to go off the rails at Southend and is out on loan at Stockport and Ryan Doble isn't (by what little I saw of him v Reading in pre season) by any stretch a RL replacement

 

I have to laugh sometimes, every thread is a rant, but very rarely do we actually see any PROPOSALS.

 

And as for saying DC will come good and do a job & Holmes will be back, yeah right & I am up for a 3some with Amy Pond and Megan Fox this weekend

 

TBH I dont think RL has been right for a while. Trying Guly (when fit) and Barnard may pay off. Totally agree about booing subs. I just think the expectation level is so high this year that a short fuse in terms of patience is sadly inevitable.

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CAREFUL , Old Nick,

Bacck aaat the New Year, when I suggested that we needed to strengthen the squad there were widespread insults from many who said; we were good enough, don't bring in new faces and upset the prima-donnas, don't waste money on sub standard players, we've already got the best team in the league...etc

Well, now we've suddenly got a lot of injuries and the prospect of a couple of players on the verge of a 5 card suspension and

the same people are panicking...why doesn't NA ..do so-and-so...

 

The truth is, a lot of people can't see beyond the next match and judge the team's perfromance on the last one.

 

Hopefully we won't have any more injuries and the walking wounded will recover soon.

 

ME ..I still want another striker! ..(not that I disatisfied with Lambert & Co,) but we still have a dozen or so games to go and we need to win at least 9 of them to be certain of CCC football next year, and we need goals in every game to be sure.

 

not changed my view at all. Squad is strong.

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Actually I think we would be helped by an established Championship-level central midfielder who's currently out of favour at his club in on loan, if we can get one.

 

As we identified in January, with the backlog of fixtures there was an increased chance of a central midfielder picking up a suspension for 10 yellow cards, and we're getting near the time when that could happen. Add in the injury to Schneiderlin and we're relying on Gobern to step up, which is the kind of hopefulness most other teams in this league have, and we don't really need to be affected by.

 

But aside from that "emergency" additional centre midfielder to cover against us losing 2 starters, and a similar situation with the keeper, I think we're more than covered everywhere else.

 

There's always the possibility one of the youth kids steps up or one of the existing players plays out of position, but why risk it if we don't have to ?

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The current squad is good enough and will get us out of Lg1 please don't get even more players in then we will have even more players not playing and that's bad for morale and spirit and everything else. Whether the sqaud is good enough to get us out of the Championship in an upward direction is anoter question and that will be the summer challenge, meanwhile don't panic!

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Mackail-Smith?

 

Improve team? Yes

 

Could we get? Don't be daft.

 

CMS is worth 2 mil to Posh right now. He will still be worth 2mil at the end of the season. BUT if Posh get promoted he would have helped earn them at least an extra 2mil in revenues for next year.

 

You want us to pay 4 mil for him? Which is what they would value him at even IF they settled for 3mil to eliminate the risk of a playoff knock out.

 

Is he really worth that? How does that compare with other players with NPC or higher abilities that may be available in the summer?

 

Hell of a risk, even IF they decide to sell him to us and shut themselves out of a chance of auto promotion, I sure as hell wouldn't sell (loan) in that situation if I was at Posh

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