Goalie66 Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Chaplow was all at sea again last night. He was neither winning the ball, initiating moves or running into spaces. He was so poor that we effectively played with ten men. I hope Sneiderlin is fit because I believe Chaplow is ONE of the reasons we are playing poorly and never getting out of second gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Indeed. Chaplow was s**t, but luckily Hammond had a very good game to make up for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 I can only think Chappers is carrying a knock of sorts, he's lost that edge to his game which took him box to box and he seems to look laboured to me. These 11 days off may come as a real blessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 I think thats a bit harsh.. He gave the ball away a fair bit but the way we play we often outnumbered in midfield. Hense thm having no time on the ball. Hammond seems to sit a bit deeper and tends to have a bit more time on the ball and I thought he was good last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Chaplow has no composure, he just flicks the ball on rather than taking it down and looking to play a proper pass. We miss Morgan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 I think thats a bit harsh.. He gave the ball away a fair bit but the way we play we often outnumbered in midfield. Hense thm having no time on the ball. Hammond seems to sit a bit deeper and tends to have a bit more time on the ball and I thought he was good last night. I think this is a good point. I don't think it's any suprise that his best performances have come when he's playing with Morgan and Hammond in an advanced CM position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Why is it whenever we have an injured midfielder they are the best thing since sliced bread while the encumbent player is (alledgedly) complete crap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 I think one thing is clear and that is that Hammond is by a long distance our most consistent CM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Didn't think he played that badly last night at all. Gave it away a few times, but certainly not more than N'Guessan or Butterfield did. He still wins a lot in midfield but I do agree that his form seems to have dropped slightly since the Man Utd game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 I think one thing is clear and that is that Hammond is by a long distance our most consistent CM. He's been outstanding since he returned from injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 I've come away from the last 5 or 6 games saying exactly the same thing, Chaplow is not performing to the standard we have all seen he is capable of. If we were to bring in a new decent CM on loan I think Chaplow should be dropped for a game or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 I've come away from the last 5 or 6 games saying exactly the same thing' date=' Chaplow is not performing to the standard we have all seen he is capable of. If we were to bring in a new decent CM on loan I think Chaplow should be dropped for a game or two.[/quote'] He has his contract. Saga all over again. Many players earn themselves a contract and then perform like they did for the teams who wanted rid. It happens, life's a *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 He has his contract. Saga all over again. Many players earn themselves a contract and then perform like they did for the teams who wanted rid. It happens, life's a *****. I'm sure Chaplow when he scored and played really well against Manchester United and Peterborough, this was after he signed permenantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 I think it's unfair to say it is to do with his contract. In fact it is just simple-minded and thoughtless. There is no lack of effort. It's just the nature of the beast - he is a midfielder who bases his game around dynamism and tempo. He is also an instinctive player (look at the finishes of the goals he has scored for us - often great snap shots, rather then calculated moves). When that sort of game is on an off-day or the match is not really suited to it he will look sloppy. He is still a big asset to the squad as we don't have anyone else with the inclination to make the penetrative runs that he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 I can only think Chappers is carrying a knock of sorts, he's lost that edge to his game which took him box to box and he seems to look laboured to me. These 11 days off may come as a real blessing. Hope he's not suffering from 'no-one-to-replace-me-itis'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 I'm sure Chaplow when he scored and played really well against Manchester United and Peterborough, this was after he signed permenantly. In fact Chaplow hasn't looked all that great since Lallana came back full time is that it? If that's the case you'd have to wonder why exactly, I'd say it's because they're nigh on incompatible in the same side.Chaplow is a naturally offensive player and so is Lallana.Leaves the rest of midfield woefully short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Some of Chaplow's best performances came in playing as one of the "2" in the diamond. I think this could be the way forward next season. We actually do have a bit of an embarassment of riches when everyone is fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 he's certainly not playing great, passing poorly, not winning any second ball, not offering himself at throw ins, not making runs that are picked out (not always his fault) etc, but he's not helped by Adkins moving the midfield around in games. On Saturday he played for quarter of an hour at right midfield. Totally pointless IMO when you have Chamberlain in the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 I think it's unfair to say it is to do with his contract. In fact it is just simple-minded and thoughtless. There is no lack of effort. It's just the nature of the beast - he is a midfielder who bases his game around dynamism and tempo. He is also an instinctive player (look at the finishes of the goals he has scored for us - often great snap shots, rather then calculated moves). When that sort of game is on an off-day or the match is not really suited to it he will look sloppy. He is still a big asset to the squad as we don't have anyone else with the inclination to make the penetrative runs that he does. Hardly simple-minded and thoughtless, actually a measured response based on the facts that since he signed a contract he has played very few good games. Your view that he will look sloppy when he has an off-day or when the match doesn't really suit him is just waffle. So he will only play well when it suits him and when he is feeling 100%, what a load of tosh. Next you'll be making sure he is looked after by Human Resources because he is precious. Fact is he has been poor more times than he has been good since he signed, 2 good games in that time IMHO, and only one of those in the League. You are of course absolutely right that he is a great asset as we don't have an alternative at the moment - the corollary is that he knows he is in the team and therefore doesn't feel threatened by poor performances week-in, week-out. Bloody good job Hammond stepped up last night, someone else that a few weeks ago (v Swindon) looked like he couldn't be arsed, last night got off his sick bed and played a stormer by all accounts, all credit to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfclegend Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 is it just me or is it since Schniderlein's been injured has Chaplow not performed? maybe the pressure for his place has made him perform worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 is it just me or is it since Schniderlein's been injured has Chaplow not performed? maybe the pressure for his place has made him perform worse. I very much doubt that's the reason for his lesser form. I think it's probably because of Morgan's absence though. At the end of the day we've got 13 points from 5 games and I think we're being much too picky about exactly how they've been obtained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 (edited) I've just watched the full 90 minutes of the Charlton game on Saints player (a strange experience without commentary) and the main observation I had was that we rarely tackle our opponents when they get possession in midfield. Instead, we seem to track them until either they run out of danger or make an error and lose possession. I've not been able to get to many Saints games this season so not sure if this is typical of the way we play? I think this could help explain why we seem to have few chances in the first half of many games. At Charlton, due to the lack of tackles in midfield we rarely created chances on the counter attack. Was this a one-off observation at Charlton or do we 'track' rather than 'tackle' opposing players more often than not? Watching the whole 90 minutes on video highlighted more than ever to me that we need someone who gets 'stuck in' in midfield. Edited 24 March, 2011 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 I've just watched the full 90 minutes of the Charlton game on Saints player (a strange experience without commentary) and the main observation I had was that we rarely tackle our opponents when they get possession in midfield. Instead, we seem to track them until either they run out of danger or make an error and lose possession. I've not been able to get to many Saints games this season so not sure if this is typical of the way we play? I think this could help explain why we seem to have few chances in the first half of many games. At Charlton, due to the lack of tackles in midfield we rarely created chances on the counter attack. Was this a one-off observation at Charlton or do we 'track' rather than 'tackle' opposing players more often than not? Watching the whole 90 minutes on video highlighted more than ever to me that we need someone who gets 'stuck in' in midfield. Probably more to do with our bookings situation than anything else.Tackling has become a highly specialised attribute in midfield nowadays.If you go back to some of the olden players like Walker and Huxford they wouldn't last 5 minutes of any given game. Look at the card counts for defensive midfield players, some of them are staggering, even an old hand like Scholes is picking up a yellow every 2 or 3 games,means he couldn't go a full L1 season without suspensions amounting to at least 3 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 Probably more to do with our bookings situation than anything else.Tackling has become a highly specialised attribute in midfield nowadays.If you go back to some of the olden players like Walker and Huxford they wouldn't last 5 minutes of any given game. Look at the card counts for defensive midfield players, some of them are staggering, even an old hand like Scholes is picking up a yellow every 2 or 3 games,means he couldn't go a full L1 season without suspensions amounting to at least 3 games. I'd be interested to see how many cards Peterborough have. I think they have a 'get stuck in' mentality and look at how many goal chances they create week in, week out. (yes, I know that we typically create more chances than we did against Charlton so that game might be a bad example for me to use) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 I've just watched the full 90 minutes of the Charlton game on Saints player (a strange experience without commentary) and the main observation I had was that we rarely tackle our opponents when they get possession in midfield. Instead, we seem to track them until either they run out of danger or make an error and lose possession. I've not been able to get to many Saints games this season so not sure if this is typical of the way we play? I think this could help explain why we seem to have few chances in the first half of many games. At Charlton, due to the lack of tackles in midfield we rarely created chances on the counter attack. Was this a one-off observation at Charlton or do we 'track' rather than 'tackle' opposing players more often than not? Watching the whole 90 minutes on video highlighted more than ever to me that we need someone who gets 'stuck in' in midfield. I don't think there's anything particularly idiosyncratic about our midfield work when not in possession. Sometimes we tackle, sometimes we track....! Maybe the Charlton match was a bit weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 I've always thought that Chaplows passing is a bit suspect gives it away a lot with sloppy passing IMO. The difference was early in the season if he lost the ball he'd quite often win it back with some tough tackling or terrier like hassling of the opposition. The tackling seems to be happening far less and is often poor giving away quite a few free kicks. Why is chappers making less tackles? yellow cards, carrying a knock, less bothered ? I don't know but he sure doesn't look the player he did when he first got here to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 I'd be interested to see how many cards Peterborough have. I think they have a 'get stuck in' mentality and look at how many goal chances they create week in, week out. (yes, I know that we typically create more chances than we did against Charlton so that game might be a bad example for me to use) McCann is one of this division's champions in the card contest 9 yellows and 2 reds, must have missed god knows how many games already. Peterborough get their share as well.As NA often says you have to plan for these suspensions. Morgan and Deano have both had 1 match already, Chappers would no doubt be way past 10 if he'd started back in August because he gets a yellow every 2.5 games or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 I think one thing is clear and that is that Hammond is by a long distance our most consistent CM. And everyone was saying he was sh*t a couple of months or so ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 And everyone was saying he was sh*t a couple of months or so ago. In my defence, I have always said he is good and massively underrated on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 And everyone was saying he was sh*t a couple of months or so ago. really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 really? A lot of people were, an awful lot. I actually started a thread earlier in the season, after the P'boro home game i think, defending him because i was getting p*ssed off with him being made the scapegoat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 24 March, 2011 Share Posted 24 March, 2011 Chaplow's an odd one. Against Man Utd he produced one of the best performances from a CM I have ever seen in my time supporting Saints, it was up there with Marsden at his best. Playing alongside Morgan his work rate and ability to win the ball was such that the likes of Scholes, Gibson and Anderson couldn't get into the game at all. He seems to be inconsistent though, maybe his form has dipped since Morgan has been out injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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