JustMike Posted 11 June, 2011 Share Posted 11 June, 2011 some fast times in P3, already beaten last years quali lap. Looking forward to this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 11 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 11 June, 2011 Mclarens decision to run with the wet set up on their wing may prove costly, way off the pace in quali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 11 June, 2011 Share Posted 11 June, 2011 Mclarens decision to run with the wet set up on their wing may prove costly, way off the pace in quali Jenson: "No, we arent running a wet set up" back to jake humphrey Jake: "So McLaren running a wet set up then.." what the ****? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 11 June, 2011 Author Share Posted 11 June, 2011 Jenson: "No, we arent running a wet set up" back to jake humphrey Jake: "So McLaren running a wet set up then.." what the ****? Whitmarsh said to Jake in the interview before quali that they were Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 11 June, 2011 Share Posted 11 June, 2011 Whitmarsh said to Jake in the interview before quali that they were Bizarre decision at a track which is supposed to suit your car and your driver has been on pole for the last 3 years - unless of course they know they're slower than Red Bull & Ferrari anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 11 June, 2011 Share Posted 11 June, 2011 Whitmarsh said to Jake in the interview before quali that they were Jenson under orders then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 The wet set up route could be inspired. Under two hours until the start and Montreal is utterly sodden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 DC holding a brolly 30 mins before kick off. This could be a good'n. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Looks like Full Wets to start, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 What the hell was Hamilton doing again!? No way Button did anything wrong in that collision, he was just following the racing line and Hamilton was far too aggressive there. Yes he was faster with his exit of the corner but that was not cricket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Hamilton's latest destruction derby has fortunately had minimal consequences for anyone but himself. I have lost count of how many incidents he's got involved with this season. He's risking getting a ban at this rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 This is thrilling. The rain is heaving down again, the intermediate tyres not working now. Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 what is the point..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Red flagged due to the rain. Pussies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 I can understand them red flagging at this point because the cars were on the verge of becoming canoes and aquaplaning into the nearest wall. Starting the race under the safety car was absurd though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Does Hamilton think he's in Whacky Races this season or something? That's four incidents in two races which, IMO anyway, were all his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Well, the Mclaren boys are out of it (Jenson still going in 10th), but on the up side Di Resta is 6th and Kobayashi is 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 (edited) I said it in South Korea last year and I'll say it again. Why do they bother having full wet tyres in F1 when the safety car comes out when their needed? Edited 12 June, 2011 by JackFrost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Another safety car deployed. Alonso turned in Button, he has a puncture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Safety car out yet again. This is like watching the BTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 (edited) Jenson leads! Vettel makes a mistake on the last lap And Button wins - Great end to the race. Edited 12 June, 2011 by Um Bongo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 I am 'kin loving this season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 In some ways a shame Vettel lost it where he did. Would have loved to see them coming down the back straight side by side into that last chicane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Jeweller Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 will there be an investigation over Jensons collision with Lewis???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 will there be an investigation over Jensons collision with Lewis???? There will be one for the collision with Alonso. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 There will be one for the collision with Alonso. A 50/50 racing incident, if there is any penalty from it that would be a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 I'm not keen on the stewards getting involved in so many racing incidents. I think unless it's really blatant they should stay out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Jeweller Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 There will be one for the collision with Alonso. So Vettel will probable still end up bloody winning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MongoNeil Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 I'm not keen on the stewards getting involved in so many racing incidents. I think unless it's really blatant they should stay out of it. Completely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 Wow. After all the waiting I'm so glad I stuck with it. So pleased for Jenson. Got tagged twice, once by his team-mate, had a drive through penalty and was last - 3 seconds behind the HRTs - after the penultimate safety car. Surely that was the best win of his career. Don't know what's going through Hamilton's head at the moment. It's like he's driving touring cars in a computer game with his over-enthusiasm to get past everyone. It's a shame Schumi didn't get a podium after by far his best race since his come-back. Great drive from Di Resta until he got a bit clumsy and broke his front wing. This lad has a lot of potential. Have to agree with Jack Frost though... What is the point in having full-wet tyres if they are just going to keep the safety car out until it's dry enough for inters? Best moment of the day: Button's girlfriend ripping the p155 out of Vettel's finger celebration :-) Best race I've seen in a long, long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 So Vettel will probable still end up bloody winning Not a chance. Button clearly had his nose in front in the braking zone and Alonso just shut the door on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 That was just too good. I have never seen a driver go from last to first before. Ever. Jenson Button has written his name alongside those of the all time greats today, and we witnessed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 12 June, 2011 Share Posted 12 June, 2011 If Button gets penalised for either incident, I'm going to give up and watch womens darts instead. EPIC win!!! Epic is an overused term, but that was epic. Last to winning it on the last lap... wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 Hamilton has become a little too arrogant. After his "Maybe it's because I'm black" comment at Monaco, he seems to think the world is against him. If he was so much faster than Jenson, why didn't he pass him on the right? But fair does to Jenson, damn good drive. As Bexy said, a shame Shumi didn't get a podium but nice to see that he was almost competitive. I am not sure I am a great fan of DRS if all teams don't have it and if you have to regulate it's use. Maybe it is the other teams' fault but Schumi didn't have a chance, and strange that a team of Mercs stature couldn't incorporate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 I am not sure I am a great fan of DRS if all teams don't have it and if you have to regulate it's use. Maybe it is the other teams' fault but Schumi didn't have a chance, and strange that a team of Mercs stature couldn't incorporate it. All teams do have it, but the rules stipulate that it can only be used when you are following another car and are within 1 second of him. Schumi didn't stand a chance because as the car in front he wasn't allowed to use his DRS. I made this point after the Turkish GP earlier in the season when Button was struggling with his tyres a bit late on in the race but was completely helpless to defend his position because the DRS made it far too easy for the following drivers to get past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 All teams do have it, but the rules stipulate that it can only be used when you are following another car and are within 1 second of him. Schumi didn't stand a chance because as the car in front he wasn't allowed to use his DRS. I made this point after the Turkish GP earlier in the season when Button was struggling with his tyres a bit late on in the race but was completely helpless to defend his position because the DRS made it far too easy for the following drivers to get past. And I made the point it was 99% his tyre wear and 1% DRS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 I think it was a brilliant race and was only let down by the safety car being out far too long, and that was proved by the fact that cars were changing to inters within 2-3 laps of the safety car deeming it safe to race. I totally agree with them stopping the race but it should never have started under the safety car, and after the restart the safety car should have been out 2-3 laps maximum, as there was actually a dry line emerging around parts of the track. I wonder if the drivers are starting to influence this for strategy reasons, i do think it's becoming ridiculous. It's nowhere near the BTCC where they have a safety car everytime a crisp packet blows on to the track but I think each driver should have to vote on whether it's safe enough to race at the end of every other lap, as hopefully the backmarkers will outvote some of the teams at the front trying it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 And I made the point it was 99% his tyre wear and 1% DRS And I have to disagree. Just look at the speed advantage that Webber and Button had over MSC on the back straight when their tyre wear would have been about the same. There was never any question that Schumi would defend the position when all they had to do was activate the DRS and just breeze past him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 And I have to disagree. Just look at the speed advantage that Webber and Button had over MSC on the back straight when their tyre wear would have been about the same. There was never any question that Schumi would defend the position when all they had to do was activate the DRS and just breeze past him. I was, dear sir, refering to your previous post, not yesterdays race Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 I was, dear sir, refering to your previous post, not yesterdays race Yes, I know. But the example I gave of yesterday's race to back up my previous point regarding Turkey. With tyres that had done the same amount of laps, the DRS enabled Webber and Button to just breeze past Schumi without any sort of challenge, and this is the man who never lets anybody past him easily. Therefore I maintain my position that the DRS makes it far too easy for drivers to get past a very-slightly-slower car in front. They don't need to take a risk to get past any more and the sport is worse off for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 13 June, 2011 Share Posted 13 June, 2011 I think DRS is a good idea but they are getting the start points wrong sometimes. They should be setting it so that drivers can get very very close by the end of the straight, enough to have a go, it should not be set so early that the move is made before the corner even arrives. I guess it must be hard to judge where to put it as a lot will depend on setup i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 I'm not sure DRS is a great idea. It only works because teams choose to run high downforce wings for the corners, at the expense of top speed. Nobody forces them to do that. DRS was, fortunately or unfortunately, introduced at the same time as the switch to new tyres, so it's not really possible to say whether this year's overtaking is down to DRS or tyres. I'm with Baj on this, that I think the tyres are having a much greater impact than DRS. I think if the tyre restrictions were removed, you would have far more exciting racing without DRS on most tracks (Monaco excepted). Why are teams restricted to only the same 2 compounds for each race, and have to run both? Let them choose, from hard compounds with 0 stops to softer compounds with 3 or 4 stops, and watch the overtaking, without the need for DRS. Maybe go back to more than 1 supplier. But I would keep the requirement to start the race on the tyres you qualified on, to eliminate the "one-lap" wonders. And the reason for so many safety cars in wet weather is because the teams choose to run the floor too close to the ground, again to gain a downforce advantage, but the cars are undriveable in any more than a few mm's of standing water. If wet weather is predicted, they could raise the running height, at the expense of downforce in the dry/damp conditions. If we're not careful the aerodynamaticists will spoil the fun of the sport. They're cars, not eurofighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 I am not sure the aerodynamaticists are ruining the sport, I think that the teams with vastly varying budgets are doing that. Not sure that the answer is a standard engine for all teams (Ferrari doesn't want that, nor many others), but that would even things up a bit. So far this season, providing you don't fall off the track, only 6 out of 24 cars realistically have a chance of the podium. Draws parallels to the Premier League, which to me is a tad boring as it is too predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 DRS was, fortunately or unfortunately, introduced at the same time as the switch to new tyres, so it's not really possible to say whether this year's overtaking is down to DRS or tyres. I'm with Baj on this, that I think the tyres are having a much greater impact than DRS.. I think it's having a massive effect on results. Without DRS in the last 10 laps I reckon the result of the Canadian GP would have been Vettel, Schumacher, Button, Webber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 What an epic race, probably the best I've ever watched. I'm absolutely loving this season I have to admit I've always had a nagging doubt in the back of my mind over whether Jenson deserved his world title, just because his car was so much quicker than everyone elses. This race though, seeing a driver go from the back, not in the quickest car, to win down to his sheer ability in those driving conditions... Has anyone ever had a better win than that? All those nagging doubts have well and truly gone now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 What an epic race, probably the best I've ever watched. I'm absolutely loving this season I have to admit I've always had a nagging doubt in the back of my mind over whether Jenson deserved his world title, just because his car was so much quicker than everyone elses. This race though, seeing a driver go from the back, not in the quickest car, to win down to his sheer ability in those driving conditions... Has anyone ever had a better win than that? All those nagging doubts have well and truly gone now. You mean an F1 champion who won because he had the fastest car rather than being the best driver........ Im shocked to hear this..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 You mean an F1 champion who won because he had the fastest car rather than being the best driver........ Im shocked to hear this..... Heh, I realise how it sounds, and I realise it's the case for virtually every driver that's won the world title. I guess my doubt over whether he deserved it comes from the controversy over the Brawn GP car, whether it was breaking the rules etc. Don't get me wrong, Button is my favourite driver out there, I'm just happy to see that his driving ability is up there with the very best. (Ok, we already knew that, he's an F1 driver, just getting a drive is special, but this was something special above that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 I think the vast majority of the top 5 or 10 F1 drivers would have had a good chance at winning the championship if they were sat in the best car. As Lighthouse always says to me, Massa's seat is wasted on him at Ferrari, and I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 14 June, 2011 Share Posted 14 June, 2011 I think the vast majority of the top 5 or 10 F1 drivers would have had a good chance at winning the championship if they were sat in the best car. As Lighthouse always says to me, Massa's seat is wasted on him at Ferrari, and I agree He came oh-so-close to winning the title in 2008 though, remember? I do agree with you though, and I can't imagine that he will still be there next season. But is he really that bad, or is it just that Alonso is so much better that he makes him look like a slouch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 15 June, 2011 Share Posted 15 June, 2011 He came oh-so-close to winning the title in 2008 though, remember? I do agree with you though, and I can't imagine that he will still be there next season. But is he really that bad, or is it just that Alonso is so much better that he makes him look like a slouch? Personally, I think he's lost it. Losing the championship to lewis, on the final lap at interlagos, he hasn't been the same since... perhaps a statement of his character, whereas look how well Alonso came on after Monza last year... Different characters. As much as I hate Alonso, he's got that fighting spirit that makes a great F1 driver, even if he's not in a great car, he's still awesome to watch, first corner at Barcelona was epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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