Quotes from Warnock

[Scummer]

Sorry, I can't find this anywhere on the net, but heard it on the radio this morning so I may be paraphrasing slightly.

 

Warnock basically said that a month or two ago Palace were shocking, and he couldn't see where the next points were coming from. But he's changed their system of play, changed a couple of players, and now they are flying.

 

Hearing that really makes me wonder why Saints continue to try doing exactly the same (ineffective) things every week? Where is the harm in trying something different?

[bungle]

Not sure I agree.

 

After all, we've played the same system at Derby, Reading, 1st half Plymouth at home, 2nd half Charlton away and have played some brilliant football and created plenty of chances (these are just recent examples).

 

What we are lacking is constitency within the system.

[Badger]

Not sure I agree.

 

After all, we've played the same system at Derby, Reading, 1st half Plymouth at home, 2nd half Charlton away and have played some brilliant football and created plenty of chances (these are just recent examples).

 

What we are lacking is constitency within the system.

 

..and someone to take advantage of the good passing football ie put the ball in the net.

[solentstars]

Not sure I agree.

 

After all, we've played the same system at Derby, Reading, 1st half Plymouth at home, 2nd half Charlton away and have played some brilliant football and created plenty of chances (these are just recent examples).

 

What we are lacking is constitency within the system.

agree and putting the ball into the goal is one of our biggest failings.

[Fan The Flames]

We are clearly not scoring enough goals, so something has to change. The adaptable survive the stubborn die.

[Saint Billy]

Just an idea, but what about bringing in someone who can put the ball in the net once in a while. Silly me, but I thought that was the whole principle of the game.

[Bourno]

Quote form Warnock... 'easy,easy,easy,easy' (whilst clapping is hands above his head)

[bungle]

Just an idea, but what about bringing in someone who can put the ball in the net once in a while. Silly me, but I thought that was the whole principle of the game.

 

A couple of points:

 

1) Last night we could have had Carlos Tevez up front, but we didn't actually create anything. Shows that the actual goalscoring ability of our strikers isn't the sole problem (in fact, I don't think it's that high up, I really think the main problem has been creating the clear chances).

 

2) When we had a true goalscorer (Rasiak - and we can't afford him now, so let's ignore the getting him back issue), the popular opinion was that he was lazy and useless (I'm not accusing you of saying that, by the way, just it was the dominant opinion). It seems that fans of this club have little/no idea what they want.

[Fan The Flames]

A couple of points:

 

1) Last night we could have had Carlos Tevez up front, but we didn't actually create anything. Shows that the actual goalscoring ability of our strikers isn't the sole problem (in fact, I don't think it's that high up, I really think the main problem has been creating the clear chances).

 

2) When we had a true goalscorer (Rasiak - and we can't afford him now, so let's ignore the getting him back issue), the popular opinion was that he was lazy and useless (I'm not accusing you of saying that, by the way, just it was the dominant opinion). It seems that fans of this club have little/no idea what they want.

 

We created very little chances last night, we dont seem to be able to create space in front of goal and there is no movement to get behind the defence, we very rarely play and ball down the chanels. The only attacking method we seem to pursue is the cross. This inability to break down defences has resulted in us taking long shots all the time, it just isn't working.

 

I don't see the relevance in your Rasiak point to what you are saying and don't see the why you needed to take a pop at other Saints fans for apparently having no idea what they want, maybe we are not all as tactically brilliant as you.

[OLYMPIC]

Watching it on the telly i found that allthough we pass the ball very well there just seems to be no bite or real aggresion in the way we play,we just seem to nice and it sticks out a mile that we lack any sort of leader on the pitch.

[Rusaldo]

i know his workrate chasing the ball down isnt brilliant but i think we need stern back to play the loan striker, someone who can hold the ball up and bring the attacking midfielders into play.

 

last night thats what we lacked, JR was flicking on longballs to nobody and the ball came straight back at us.

[Junior Mullet]

Watching it on the telly i found that allthough we pass the ball very well there just seems to be no bite or real aggresion in the way we play,we just seem to nice and it sticks out a mile that we lack any sort of leader on the pitch.

 

Last night our problem was that we were too slow and methodical in our attacks and consequently we lost momentum and allowed Palace to regroup and form 2 banks of 4. We needed to break quicker, get men forward quicker, get players running at theirs and get the ball in the box quicker. This meant we were left playing the ball sideways until we lost patience and tried going through the middle.

 

It was like a training game at times - 6 attackers trying to break down 4 midfield and 4 defenders. Surprise surprise the well-oiled and more experienced defensive side won.

 

We simply had no plan B - it was like banging our heads against a brick wall!

 

Come on Saints, more urgency and more direct football is needed to mix up our 'crab football'. let's also stop trying to play through the middle every time - it's too difficult against some teams like Palace, managed by old pros liek Warnock.

 

Last night was naiive in the extreme. If I can see it along with a handful of others on here, why can't Jan?

[once_bitterne]

Colin has done a great job at Palace which so far has largely gone unnoticed by the media. They are also in financial trouble, have had to sell quite a few players, couldn't afford to keep Morrison and started off the season at the wrong end of the table.

 

They also have a owner/chairman who says he is stepping down at the end of the year and isn't putting any more money into the club and looks pretty disinterested in the team of late.

 

And yet Warnock has dragged them up the table to the playoff places. No mean feat at all. He may be a ..... but he certainly does know the CCC.

[ART]

Last night, quote Warnock, we were beaten by ugly football. He chose to play that way as he knew it was the only way to win, and win they did. Many decisions we should have had weren't granted. I can only hope that other clubs will not use Crystal Palace's blueprint as the means to beat our young flyers. I hate televised games as it lets the entire country get to see at close hand our game plan. And seeing we use the same one most games other teams are getting wise. Against teams like Palace with needed the likes of Svensson and Euell who'd have been capable of giving them as much as they gave us. Yet not is all lost and it's games like last night where the lads will have learnt the most.

[VectisSaint]

A couple of points:

 

1) Last night we could have had Carlos Tevez up front, but we didn't actually create anything. Shows that the actual goalscoring ability of our strikers isn't the sole problem (in fact, I don't think it's that high up, I really think the main problem has been creating the clear chances).

 

2) When we had a true goalscorer (Rasiak - and we can't afford him now, so let's ignore the getting him back issue), the popular opinion was that he was lazy and useless (I'm not accusing you of saying that, by the way, just it was the dominant opinion). It seems that fans of this club have little/no idea what they want.

You can only create chances for strikers if they are prepared to work, and get into positions where they can make a difference. McG and Robertson had no idea what do last night, how to work the channels, how to get in behind the defenders. Thats what makes it look as though the MF were not creative. Poor, totally ineffective strikers will make MF look poor. No point having wingers crossing from the byline when we have two powder puffs up front.

[Blandford saint]

Too right, Vectis. Other team's strikers create something themselves out of nothing. Our players seem to think that they are on "Strictly" and will get marks for artistic impression. They won't take responsibility. Sheff. Utd create virtually nothing, especially with Speed injured, but Beattie still manages to score. You can tell he has learnt his penalty taking from Le Tiss - his penalties are brilliant. MLT looked very embarassed last night - please, Matt, can you give them some shooting training?

[mprobert]

Not sure I agree.

 

After all, we've played the same system at Derby, Reading, 1st half Plymouth at home, 2nd half Charlton away and have played some brilliant football and created plenty of chances (these are just recent examples).

 

What we are lacking is constitency within the system.

 

I hope a few more posts like this get through - the shields must be down

[St_Tel49]

Last night our problem was that we were too slow and methodical in our attacks and consequently we lost momentum and allowed Palace to regroup and form 2 banks of 4. We needed to break quicker, get men forward quicker, get players running at theirs and get the ball in the box quicker. This meant we were left playing the ball sideways until we lost patience and tried going through the middle.

 

It was like a training game at times - 6 attackers trying to break down 4 midfield and 4 defenders. Surprise surprise the well-oiled and more experienced defensive side won.

 

We simply had no plan B - it was like banging our heads against a brick wall!

 

Come on Saints, more urgency and more direct football is needed to mix up our 'crab football'. let's also stop trying to play through the middle every time - it's too difficult against some teams like Palace, managed by old pros liek Warnock.

 

Last night was naiive in the extreme. If I can see it along with a handful of others on here, why can't Jan?

 

Absolutely - we play as though we are frightened of losing the ball if we try something that would catch the opposition on the hop. CP showed last night that you do not need to dominate possession to win - you simply need to break fast and get into the danger area before the opposition regroup. We have the players with the skill and nous to do it. They just have to lose some of their fear of giving up possession.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Palace like most teams in this division apart from Saints had a proper centre forward who provided a physical presence and goal threat.

Saints have the very limited Robertson and McGoaldrought who can't shoot, head or make runs into the penalty area. I've not seen much of him but i'd rather give Patterson a chance and recall White from his loan. Or give Euell a chance? or has he been dropped for threatening to make forward runs into the penalty area?

[benjii]

Colin has done a great job at Palace which so far has largely gone unnoticed by the media. They are also in financial trouble, have had to sell quite a few players, couldn't afford to keep Morrison and started off the season at the wrong end of the table.

 

They also have a owner/chairman who says he is stepping down at the end of the year and isn't putting any more money into the club and looks pretty disinterested in the team of late.

 

And yet Warnock has dragged them up the table to the playoff places. No mean feat at all. He may be a ..... but he certainly does know the CCC.

 

Yeah, but they don't have a Revolutionary New Coaching Set-Up so the joke's on them.

[benjii]

On another point - the reason Palace "played ugly" was because they found themselves 2-0 up without breaking into a sweat and, having played two days earlier, there was no point busting a gut to put on a show when it was glaringly obvious they could win at a canter.

[chocco boxo]

The problem we have is always looking at things from our point of view.

 

Imagine, a day or so before palace play us, he says to his team.

 

"Right you're going to play a bunch of kids, on monday night. Just stay solid and be physical. Let the kids do there thing in their own half, as soon as they come into ours cut them out and attack the wings."

 

It really must be that easy.

 

spot on, plus if you were a team who had good team spirit would'nt you be looking forward to playing us? Kuqi must had been excited all weekend looking forward to Monday!

[Big Ron fan]

Yeah, but they don't have a Revolutionary New Coaching Set-Up so the joke's on them.

 

LoL! Haven't heard that expression for a while!!

[hughieslastminutegoal]

I hate televised games as it lets the entire country get to see at close hand our game plan. And seeing we use the same one most games other teams are getting wise.

 

That indeed sums up the lack of any alternative way of playing.

In any case, most teams have sussed it after half an hour whether they've watched us on telly or not.

[Chez]

the system is fine we just need to mix things up a little with more long balls (with themidfield pushing up to get the knock downs etc.), more diagonal balls over the fullbacks shoulder with the wide men putting them under pressure, wingers that stay wide and then dribble down the line and get to the bloody byeline, and better shooting from the likes of Lallana and BWP. I'd also like to see us break a little quicker, less crossing from deep and when we get in the final third lets get the ball in the box not go back round again. Lets pass it short to get in hte right areas but once there lets reduce the number of passes before we hit the box.

[Thedelldays]

the system is fine we just need to mix things up a little with more long balls (with themidfield pushing up to get the knock downs etc.), more diagonal balls over the fullbacks shoulder with the wide men putting them under pressure, wingers that stay wide and then dribble down the line and get to the bloody byeline, and better shooting from the likes of Lallana and BWP. I'd also like to see us break a little quicker, less crossing from deep and when we get in the final third lets get the ball in the box not go back round again. Lets pass it short to get in hte right areas but once there lets reduce the number of passes before we hit the box.

 

 

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