Hedgehog Posted 6 November, 2013 Share Posted 6 November, 2013 Watched the Manure game tonight and looks like Ashley Young dived to get a penalty. Is it part of the game now and accepted if it's your player, or should it be punished and stamped out? Personally I hate cheating like that, but would no doubt laugh at the fact if we were given a pen in those circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 6 November, 2013 Share Posted 6 November, 2013 It's 50/50. It happens against you, you spit blood. It happens for you, you celebrate. I actually feel that some penalties are justified. United not scoring theirs tonight meaning the penalty shouldn't have happened. Obviously this means that all Saints penalties are justified though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 6 November, 2013 Share Posted 6 November, 2013 All forms of cheating - including diving in football - are antithetical to the essence of sport. To win a game by cheating is disgraceful. It takes away any joy you might feel in success. The essence of sport is to agree to play by the rules, to respect the spirit of fair play, and to strive to win by playing better than your opponent. Cheating undermines the entire enterprise. To see your own team cheating in this way feels even worse that watching your opponents do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 6 November, 2013 Share Posted 6 November, 2013 All forms of cheating - including diving in football - are antithetical to the essence of sport. To win a game by cheating is disgraceful. It takes away any joy you might feel in success. The essence of sport is to agree to play by the rules, to respect the spirit of fair play, and to strive to win by playing better than your opponent. Cheating undermines the entire enterprise. To see your own team cheating in this way feels even worse that watching your opponents do it. This. Hopefully our manager / back room staff are made of better stuff and actively discourage cheating, unlike some other clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 6 November, 2013 Share Posted 6 November, 2013 several debates here, mainly about inconsistency, we've been robbed of several this season. How can a player rushing at the ball with both hands out to block a shot not be a penalty (Norwich Saints), yet the ball striking a player's hand as it flies off his thigh from two metres away is? (Spurs last week) Re diving, personally I see a subtle difference between a striker sticking a leg out at an unusual angle to catch a keeper as he goes by, and a clumsy defender sticking out a leg and inviting you to fall over it. It's not the striker's responsibility to avoid tackles that will earn penalties, but refs need to understand exactly which player is making the contact. And why will refs not deal with fouls at corners?? Any defender who has his back to the ball and his hands on a player is fouling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 6 November, 2013 Share Posted 6 November, 2013 Would anybody have had a problem if J-Rod had been suspended by the club for 3 games after the Villa game last season ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 November, 2013 Share Posted 6 November, 2013 Fact is its wrong but every other club does it so if we don't we are at a disadvantage. Either sort it out and dish out tough punishments for all or we will have to do it to compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 6 November, 2013 Share Posted 6 November, 2013 Watched the Manure game tonight and looks like Ashley Young dived to get a penalty. Is it part of the game now and accepted if it's your player, or should it be punished and stamped out? Personally I hate cheating like that, but would no doubt laugh at the fact if we were given a pen in those circumstances. He is getting blasted by manure fans today in most of the comments sections of the papers. Most want him gone in January. Is it OK to dive? Not happy with it, Adam & Gaston sometimes go down "too easily" but at least they are actually being challenged and don't do it a few seconds AFTER the contact as Young did last night. It's the last minute of Injury time in the last game of the season, we need a win to qualify for the CL at the expense of Tottenham. Morgan dives in the box, SRL converts the penalty. Would we still have strong feelings about it then? Would we want Morgan banned by the club? Would we feel different if it was Gaston or Adam who went down? Think the reaction in the stadium would be Hahaha can't believe we got away with that, poor old Spuds, happened against us enough times yadda yadda yadda... It is not the Ref's fault, as Rallyboy says it is often difficult to see from 15 yards away. FIFA should simply add diving to the list of retrospective Video Punishments - automatic Red Card & 3 match ban from Video Evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeintheslowlane Posted 6 November, 2013 Share Posted 6 November, 2013 What staggers me is how easily ref fall for it. You could see what he's done as it happens...he goes past the defender throwing his arm back and spins around. I called it straight away and thought the ref, with a great view, had booked him for diving. Couldn't believe it. As we all know Young's a cheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 6 November, 2013 Share Posted 6 November, 2013 All forms of cheating - including diving in football - are antithetical to the essence of sport. To win a game by cheating is disgraceful. It takes away any joy you might feel in success. The essence of sport is to agree to play by the rules, to respect the spirit of fair play, and to strive to win by playing better than your opponent. Cheating undermines the entire enterprise. To see your own team cheating in this way feels even worse that watching your opponents do it. Completely agree. Fact is its wrong but every other club does it so if we don't we are at a disadvantage. Either sort it out and dish out tough punishments for all or we will have to do it to compete. Completely agree. And there's the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 6 November, 2013 Share Posted 6 November, 2013 Diving is awful and I wish it was out of the game whether it be JRod at Villa or Young last night. I was watching some old clips on youtube recently (back from 1986 I think it was), and the tackles that were going in were proper tackles and those on the end of them didn't roll around the ground like a dying swan. I think all this diving is an extension of that. You start of rolling around and then you take it on from there to simulating any contact. Unless the FA/PL/FIFA or whoever are going to allow the hard (or even, just firm) tackles back into the game, then this play acting is going to carry on. Most football players act like a bunch of pussies. Might as well blame Sky for this as well!!! The money has delivered a sanitised version of the game full of ballerinas. If you feel the need to cheat have some class about it: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 6 November, 2013 Share Posted 6 November, 2013 I could not have been more disappointed than when Lallana dived. Hate seeing it and if it's one of our own doing it, that annoys me more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 6 November, 2013 Share Posted 6 November, 2013 If you feel the need to cheat have some class about it: Or just have some class full stop :- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tezk-XsLiNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 6 November, 2013 Share Posted 6 November, 2013 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10430086/Ashley-Young-faces-viral-backlash-after-dive-to-earn-Manchester-United-penalty-against-Real-Sociedad.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 6 November, 2013 Share Posted 6 November, 2013 I played local football until I was 48, and at one time many moons ago played with some decent ex pro's and some good ex Southern League players. In that time I never ever heard anybody ever have a go at one of their own players for diving, the only thing I ever heard these decent players bollock someone for was trying to stay on their feet and not scoring "you should have gone down there" being the general call. In fact, I was managed by a guy who was an apprentice at Man C in Joe Mercer's day, and he used to call it "helping the Ref" when a guy went down easily. "Buying a foul" has always been around in the game, but in the older days the game was more physical, therefore Refs would not give fouls for anything other than full on hack. Players stayed on their feet because they would not get a foul, with the change in rules meaning that slight contact results in fouls as well as the more liberal use of yellow and red cards means they go down nowadays. Nobody should kid themselves that older players would not bend the rules if given the chance. Feigning injury is one thing that has fundamentally changed however. Previously showing that you weren't hurt was a sign of strength. Had I started rolling about, some grizzly centre half from my side would have picked me up pretty quickly. I played with a full back who had been around a bit. He kicked every winger that went anywhere near me. When they started jumping around or needing the "magic sponge" he would know he had him in his pocket. The ones he didn't like were the ones he kicked lumps out of and they just picked themselves up, took the free kick and played as if nothing had happened. He then had to concentrate on defending properly and was in for a tough game. Look at Joe Jordan when he was head butted by that Italian, just stood there. Had it been the other way round a modern player would make a right meal of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 6 November, 2013 Share Posted 6 November, 2013 I watched the cardiff v swans game on the boat coming back from aberdeen A cardiff player went down and he was running as if to pass the GK but then veered into the Keeper. The cardiff player did the traditonal dying swan act rolled several time. the Keeper was sent off I thought the cardiff player should have stayed on his feet and put the ball into the empty net Tha cardiff player hardly touched the keeper and in my mind was at fault. but the player still did all the threatrics In my Opinion the cardiff player cheated big time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 6 November, 2013 Share Posted 6 November, 2013 I watched the cardiff v swans game on the boat coming back from aberdeen A cardiff player went down and he was running as if to pass the GK but then veered into the Keeper. The cardiff player did the traditonal dying swan act rolled several time. the Keeper was sent off I thought the cardiff player should have stayed on his feet and put the ball into the empty net Tha cardiff player hardly touched the keeper and in my mind was at fault. but the player still did all the threatrics In my Opinion the cardiff player cheated big time Are you sure?? http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/swansea-city/news/vorm-no-complaints-over-red-card_115748.html Eric Cantona did the same kick and got an 8 month ban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 6 November, 2013 Share Posted 6 November, 2013 Or just have some class full stop :- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tezk-XsLiNY I was being a little tongue in cheek. But an interesting clip. I knew Messi regularly had lumps kicked out of him and that he carried on - fair does to him and I guess it adds to his kudos of being the world's best (or one of them). But Neymar...that's just embarrassing. For some reason I just wanted someone in one of those clips to give him a proper slap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 6 November, 2013 Share Posted 6 November, 2013 Hopefully our manager / back room staff are made of better stuff and actively discourage cheating, unlike some other clubs. We are the league leaders in doing "tactical fouls". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 6 November, 2013 Share Posted 6 November, 2013 Im not changing my opinion bigbadbob, you need to see the whole clip. not jsut one misleading photo Seconds later in another picture campbell is alive an well , there was minimal touch. Yes the keeper was the last player and in the refs mind it was a sending off but he debate after the show had some of the pundits having the same view as myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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