Arizona Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Shame about the first 10 minutes. Why can our left back shoot better than our main striker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowsaintsfan Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Because he's closer to a striker than a left back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Poortvliet OUT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Damn so close, great comeback but a terrible first half. Why is it ALWAYS a game of two halves with saints?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Rubbish first half. Brilliant second. If only we could play from the start.. is that the managers fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 You cannot wait to start playing until you are 3-0 down, not bl00dy good enough :(:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilza Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 You can't go 3-0 down in 10 minutes and expect to get anything from the game! Regardless of how we played second half, I still feel we need to get rid of Jan and get someone new, who knows the league and will get us back to basics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Well to sum up: An absolutely dire, cr@p first half and then an excellent second half. Why can't we get some frickin consistency? well done the lads for coming out at second half and playing good footie. Good to see you all battle for it, just ****ing well start properly next time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Another loss... Nothing else makes any difference given the position we are in.... Hovering above relegation Portvliet out.. Lowe out... Wilde out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Maybe it would a good idea to play for 90 mins instead of 45 :smt102. Anyway, we still lost again and Lowe should go and take JP with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patred44 Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 ONE HALF OUT OF TWO..aint good enough. Don't anyone try to justify it by saying how brave they were to fight back from 3 down. IT JUST ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH FOR A PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL CLUB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudsaint Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Going, going... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 the two 2nd half goals glossed over the real problems IMO JAN OUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 A good comeback but imo Burnley just took their foot of the gas because once it got to 3-2 they upped their game again. We are just not strong enough in midfield or at the back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 the way i felt after 15 mins this result actually feels like we got points out of the game!!!! I was expecting it to finish 7-0 so a 2nd half fight back is a bit of a bonus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 the two 2nd half goals glossed over the real problems IMO JAN OUT totally agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Only six concede this week,good job we sorted out the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Two goals have spared JP huge amounts of ridicule and verciferous calls for his head. Those goals have perhaps tempered some peoples anger. Papering over the cracks is all that has been achieved today,we lost because we sounded **** poor,we rallied for about 20 min approx,just not good enough as far as i'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 (edited) Well as someone the other week said [quoting from John Cleese in Clockwork], it's not the losing, it's the hope that kills you. Not sure what the point is in almost drawing or winning. You might think it gives us hope we are unlucky or improving, but we have been doing it all season. Maybe losing 3-0 might have done us more good than yet another "nearly" result that dangles the possibility that it will all come right anyday now. I'm normally a 'half-full glass' sort of person, but I seem to have spent a lot of time thinking that we are in with a chance, only to be proved wrong. Lee Holmes is my last hope! PS People saying we were brilliant the 2nd half are wrong. If we were that good, we would have salvaged a point at least It is dishonest to speak of a 2nd half fightback when we still lost! Edited 13 December, 2008 by Plumstead_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 A new manager V Forest might give us a kick-start. The managers that are overplaying with the limited players they have are really coming unstuck - JP, Mowbray, McAllister. A mixed approach is needed if you don't have Ronaldo, Gerrard, Torres, Fabregas or Deco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Another loss... Nothing else makes any difference given the position we are in.... Hovering above relegation Portvliet out.. Lowe out... Wilde out... What he said, the two goals are just papering over the cracks. We are going down, and then starting the following season on minus 10. Well done Rupert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 what we need is a massive bullish centre half and a striker, this would help things greatly. Plus Cork and Surman should start in the middle together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 As close to a comeback as it may of sounded reality is we were pounded and it could of been anything like 7-0 in the first half. They hit the bar 3 times and KD performed like 4 outstanding saves. Other then the two goals i don't recall anything about their keeper diving to make saves. We didn't deserve to get anything from the game and if Burnley like Palace the week before didn't turn off at half time due to being mies ahead we would of got severly stuffed. A nice 25minute spell does not make up for 65 mins of playing pretty poor. So as much as i want to say "unlucky" lads we were very lucky, lucky KD saved loads, lucky the woodwork kept the score down and lucky we didn't have a player sent off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissMay9 Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 We could have Fergie in charge and it would make no difference... STOP blaming Lowe, Wilde and the gaffer. We have no money and young inexperienced players. I don't know what everyone expects...us to come out and finish in the play offs. Yes it would be nice but we have players that have hardly played in the reserves let alone the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 13 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 13 December, 2008 On the plus side, the two goal scorers will likely be sold in January (because they don't want to be here and we have no choice, I'm sure). Had we played this fixture in another couple of months, it would have been 3-0 and our goal difference would be even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 We could have Fergie in charge and it would make no difference... STOP blaming Lowe, Wilde and the gaffer. We have no money and young inexperienced players. I don't know what everyone expects...us to come out and finish in the play offs. Yes it would be nice but we have players that have hardly played in the reserves let alone the Championship. LOL A PR post for the lowe/wilde camp perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 We have no money . How much do Blackpool have ? Or for that matter, the Dingles ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Another game thrown away. Figthbacks are f**king pointless if the other team is already over the finish line and taken their foot off the gas.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 only six concede this week,good job we sorted out the defense. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 We could have Fergie in charge and it would make no difference... STOP blaming Lowe, Wilde and the gaffer. We have no money and young inexperienced players. I don't know what everyone expects...us to come out and finish in the play offs. Yes it would be nice but we have players that have hardly played in the reserves let alone the Championship. PR spin at it's best/worst. Rupert, spend the money on the club and not this nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 We could have Fergie in charge and it would make no difference... STOP blaming Lowe, Wilde and the gaffer. We have no money and young inexperienced players. I don't know what everyone expects...us to come out and finish in the play offs. Yes it would be nice but we have players that have hardly played in the reserves let alone the Championship. So the manager makes no difference then? Why bother with one when your sponsor could do the job himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mprobert Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Sounds like we were unlucky. Great second half fightback - well done Jan and well done the boys. Lets really keep this momentum going and push on now. COYR. (quickly presses "submit reply" and then logs off forum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissMay9 Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 LOL A PR post for the lowe/wilde camp perhaps? Damn it my cover has been blown. But come on seriously a change of manager, chairman, groundsman, kit man is not going to do alot. People qant a quick fix and the problems lay much further and deeper than a simple change of manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 It's pointless looking for a balanced debate on here, it's like looking for a virgin in Portsmouth. But what exactly oh brilliant ones is the solution to supporting our current manager and players and hoping for the best? I am all ears. And despite the result I still support Poortvliet who has again shown his ability to change things around and adapt his tactics to the situation, but is playing with half a deck through no fault of his own or the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 We could have Fergie in charge and it would make no difference... STOP blaming Lowe, Wilde and the gaffer. We have no money and young inexperienced players. I don't know what everyone expects...us to come out and finish in the play offs. Yes it would be nice but we have players that have hardly played in the reserves let alone the Championship. no blame may be on the "gaffer" as you put it (having you been watching a football video) but at least 66% of blame on lowe and wilde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 It's pointless looking for a balanced debate on here, it's like looking for a virgin in Portsmouth. But what exactly oh brilliant ones is the solution to supporting our current manager and players and hoping for the best? I am all ears. And despite the result I still support Poortvliet who has again shown his ability to change things around and adapt his tactics to the situation, but is playing with half a deck through no fault of his own or the team. You are serious are`nt you....Oh dear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 (edited) It's pointless looking for a balanced debate on here, it's like looking for a virgin in Portsmouth. But what exactly oh brilliant ones is the solution to supporting our current manager and players and hoping for the best? I am all ears. And despite the result I still support Poortvliet who has again shown his ability to change things around and adapt his tactics to the situation, but is playing with half a deck through no fault of his own or the team. In the interest of 'balanced' debate, a few counter points... There are virgins in Pompey - they are nuns doing outreach charity work. :cool: In the last two away games, ( remember we play so well away from home ), we have been dire in the first 20 minutes, and effectively conceded the 6 points in only forty minutes of 'football'. The solution is for JP to accept that it ain't working, and ask for some experienced British CC assistance, rather than yet another underwhelming dutch nomark. JP may have 'changed things around', but how much was down to the Dingles easing off as they thought they had it won ? How many saves did KD make, even at 3-2, to keep us in it ? And, compared to recent games, this was a team of 'old hands', not 10 under 21s. Edited 13 December, 2008 by badgerx16 Plenty of British CC expertise, why limit it to the English, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 The only positive from today -at least we are still 4 points above the bottom 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissMay9 Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 no blame may be on the "gaffer" as you put it (having you been watching a football video) but at least 66% of blame on lowe and wilde And the players are not to blame at all. The players are not good enough... Palace game...they were very similar to us...probably less talented but they had real strength, they were men, they out battled us. Just a few more professional players may do the trick instead of arrogant little boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 And the players are not to blame at all. The players are not good enough... Palace game...they were very similar to us...probably less talented but they had real strength, they were men, they out battled us. Just a few more professional players may do the trick instead of arrogant little boys. You seem to have changed direction since post number one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 The usual Saturday evening spin on the OS will be a joy to read....."plucky, talented Saints almost snatched a point with a brave showing of total football at high flying Burnley". There, they don't even have to write it; I've done it for them..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Usual result......what is the surprise?.........NIL POINTS!........more "pretty pointless" football...........this is so dire!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 In the interest of 'balanced' debate, a few counter points... There are virgins in Pompey - they are nuns doing outreach charity work. :cool: In the last two away games, ( remember we play so well away from home ), we have been dire in the first 20 minutes, and effectively conceded the 6 points in only forty minutes of 'football'. The solution is for JP to accept that it ain't working, and ask for some experienced English CC assistance, rather than yet another underwhelming dutch nomark. JP may have 'changed things around', but how much was down to the Dingles easing off as they thought they had it won ? How many saves did KD make, even at 3-2, to keep us in it ? And, compared to recent games, this was a team of 'old hands', not 10 under 21s. OK. So, if JP asks for experienced hands does he get them? Where for example are Rasiak, John and Saga? Do you know whom he is allowed to bring in? No. As for these old hands - hardly. How many first team games have James, Cork, McG, Lallana, Robertson, Morgan, etc played?? You must accept that a good half of our team are first-season players. Age is immaterial, experience is not. And if he had no clue, then why exactly were we doing so well away from home before this week? And if you say luck, they can say all the losses are simply bad luck, so that argument is flawed. You can't have a one-way luck debate. So, one solution: which is to ask for more players - from a Chairman who won't buy them. What is your next idea? Changing manager in the current scenario is not an option for me. No manager can work a Dutch system better than one who has played and coached in it all his life. And a different manager would be like Redknapp - a fish out of water here. If you want to change the system you have to mount a takeover of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Originally Posted by MissMay9We could have Fergie in charge and it would make no difference... STOP blaming Lowe, Wilde and the gaffer. We have no money and young inexperienced players. I don't know what everyone expects...us to come out and finish in the play offs. Yes it would be nice but we have players that have hardly played in the reserves let alone the Championship. Originally Posted by MissMay9 And the players are not to blame at all. The players are not good enough... Palace game...they were very similar to us...probably less talented but they had real strength, they were men, they out battled us. Just a few more professional players may do the trick instead of arrogant little boys. You seem to have changed direction since post number one It's the little voices, they make him / her say these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 OK. So, if JP asks for experienced hands does he get them? Where for example are Rasiak, John and Saga? Do you know whom he is allowed to bring in? No. As for these old hands - hardly. How many first team games have James, Cork, McG, Lallana, Robertson, Morgan, etc played?? You must accept that a good half of our team are first-season players. Age is immaterial, experience is not. And if he had no clue, then why exactly were we doing so well away from home before this week? And if you say luck, they can say all the losses are simply bad luck, so that argument is flawed. You can't have a one-way luck debate. So, one solution: which is to ask for more players - from a Chairman who won't buy them. What is your next idea? Changing manager in the current scenario is not an option for me. No manager can work a Dutch system better than one who has played and coached in it all his life. And a different manager would be like Redknapp - a fish out of water here. If you want to change the system you have to mount a takeover of the club. so we are doomed in your opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 OK. So, if JP asks for experienced hands does he get them? Where for example are Rasiak, John and Saga? Do you know whom he is allowed to bring in? No. As for these old hands - hardly. How many first team games have James, Cork, McG, Lallana, Robertson, Morgan, etc played?? You must accept that a good half of our team are first-season players. Age is immaterial, experience is not. And if he had no clue, then why exactly were we doing so well away from home before this week? And if you say luck, they can say all the losses are simply bad luck, so that argument is flawed. You can't have a one-way luck debate. So, one solution: which is to ask for more players - from a Chairman who won't buy them. What is your next idea? Changing manager in the current scenario is not an option for me. No manager can work a Dutch system better than one who has played and coached in it all his life. And a different manager would be like Redknapp - a fish out of water here. If you want to change the system you have to mount a takeover of the club. Ah, so now a 'balanced' debate is you are right and everybody else's opinion is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Low post count= yet another Lowe plant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 so we are doomed in your opinion Not necessarily. Funny things happen in football. We only have to be fourth worst this season, that's all. It's like the recession. If we can just get through this season, who knows what might happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Low post count= yet another Lowe plant. nothing to do with the low post count , just the complete change in attack in a few posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 13 December, 2008 Share Posted 13 December, 2008 Ah, so now a 'balanced' debate is you are right and everybody else's opinion is wrong. Not at all. But do you think changing Jan will help? If so, explain how and why? Given the circumstances we all know regarding the chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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