Roger Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Wanyama is a beast, simple as that but I also think he limits our goalscoring options somewhat. I've been a fan of using him in the games against bigger sides where he can impose himself on the game and using our more silky pairing for games we plan to dominate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Did he play last week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Yes he did. He is a great beast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 he has to play when fit.. simples.. we don't concede through the middle, he wins a lot of defensive headers... a beast, every team needs one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 he has to play when fit.. simples.. we don't concede through the middle, he wins a lot of defensive headers... a beast, every team needs one Problem with that then is we are likely to lose either Morgan or Cork. They're all too good to sit on the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Well we gave away a penalty, it just wasn't awarded. Small margins. Last week Alpine didn't understand that we'd have won if awarded a penalty. Well it works both ways and we had a bit of luck today. Also letting slopping passing put one of their players through on goal. Huge mistake early second half, and big slice of luck with the incorrect offside. Some people need to appreciate there's always a bit of luck for and against at this level. Wanyama limits opposition chances no doubt, he just needs to maintain his concentration levels and he'll be a great player. Delighted he and Cork played so well together. I've never seen us have such good CM options. Wanyama, Cork, Morgan, Davis always superb. JWP has potential and is tidy enough. Brilliant overall. Bit of luck? We should have had at least 2 pens from where I was sat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajv2809 Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Was impressed with his performance today. Very solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Problem with that then is we are likely to lose either Morgan or Cork. They're all too good to sit on the bench Blessed with 3 outstanding midfielders.. we now need the same depth in other areas if we want to progress to top six next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Sprayed the ball around too - often found shaw in space with some tidy cross field passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 26 April, 2014 Author Share Posted 26 April, 2014 95% pass rate two weeks in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 95% pass rate two weeks in a row. Really? That's absolutely outstanding. Well played Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 VW was excellent today and IMO looked a better player than earlier in the season. Sent from my XT1032 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Problem with that then is we are likely to lose either Morgan or Cork. They're all too good to sit on the bench If we're ever going to reach the "next level" then we're going to have to get used to having great players on the bench. That's where we're weaker than the top 7 at the moment - the depth of our squad. Our best 11 can compete with any of the top 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 If we're ever going to reach the "next level" then we're going to have to get used to having great players on the bench. That's where we're weaker than the top 7 at the moment - the depth of our squad. Our best 11 can compete with any of the top 7. I think Morgan can offer something further forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 VW was excellent today and IMO looked a better player than earlier in the season. Sent from my XT1032 using Tapatalk Really? He did okay, but he is still far from the rampaging midfield enforcer we saw before his injury IMO. I'm not really expecting to see that type of dominant performance again from VW until next season. For the record I thought that Jack Cork was head and shoulders above the rest of our midfield today in terms of effectiveness. Indeed he, and the equally excellent Nat Clyne, were to my way of thinking our leading MotM contenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Problem with that then is we are likely to lose either Morgan or Cork. They're all too good to sit on the bench Funny how people see football different ways. I think VW is essential in the way we play hence why we have got battered so many second halves when he hasn't been there. He is so strong, breaks up play, he was a beast in there today against one of the best CM partnerships this season in Barry/McCarthy. What I will say is Cork has really come on this season to the point where he is almost ahead of Morgan on current form. It's a great dilemna to have but i've said before it is NO coincidence where we start of the season when he was playing. Far too many people see pretty passes as the be all and end all, he offers our team a defensive solidity the others dont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulful Odin Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Pretty sure Morgan came to us a more attacking midfielder, he certainly has the touch to be pushed slightly more forward. If they have any aspirations of european football theyll have to accept theyll be rotated at any club that is good enough to play in those kind of competitions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Is it me or do opposition players shy away from trying to take the ball from Big Vic or avoid 50-50s with him? Quite a few times today it felt there were Everton players who didn't fancy putting their foot in against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 Is it me or do opposition players shy away from trying to take the ball from Big Vic or avoid 50-50s with him? Quite a few times today it felt there were Everton players who didn't fancy putting their foot in against him. I said exactly the same thing to my boy at the game today. To be fair I wouldn't fancy going into a challenge with him!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN MY DAY Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 His best game in the shirt today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 26 April, 2014 Share Posted 26 April, 2014 I would have Victor Wanyama in my side every time.. Now getting match fit.. The opposition find him a very difficult player to play against. Next season...with pre season etc....will be a star. I have been impressed with him...after coming back from injury a match or so too soon...has now settled in and forms that solid barrier in front of the back four. Well done Saints and well done Victor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDER BUT WISER Posted 27 April, 2014 Share Posted 27 April, 2014 He was the diamond in a great midfield performance today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 27 April, 2014 Share Posted 27 April, 2014 I would have Victor Wanyama in my side every time.. . Who are you dropping? Morgan or Cork or Davis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 27 April, 2014 Share Posted 27 April, 2014 Who are you dropping? Morgan or Cork or Davis? I will leave that to Poch:) I will hand him the team sheet with Victors name on and leave the rest to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 27 April, 2014 Share Posted 27 April, 2014 Pretty sure Morgan came to us a more attacking midfielder what makes you say that. I remember his first game for us and pretty much from the first minute he seemed to want to drop into that deep lying role. Making runs beyond the strikers has been alien to him until last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 27 April, 2014 Share Posted 27 April, 2014 I will leave that to Poch:) I will hand him the team sheet with Victors name on and leave the rest to him. Come on, you are going to have to do better than that. This is one of the, if only interesting team selections we have. The only other genuine choice is chambers or Clyne. So which is it, Cork or VW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 27 April, 2014 Share Posted 27 April, 2014 Come on, you are going to have to do better than that. This is one of the, if only interesting team selections we have. The only other genuine choice is chambers or Clyne. So which is it, Cork or VW? For me...Victor when fit everytime. Previously Morgan instead of Corky. Davis every time in his role. So that leaves me as a selector:rolleyes: Corky or Morgan to play with Victor and Steve Davis. Same side to start against Swansea and Morgan..IF fit on the bench. Yes...I sit on the fence...as Wanyama , Morgan .Corky and Davis are great players. Lately Morgan has dropped off from his high class performances.......so his injury rest/recovery is probably much needed. Final answer one game at a time......Same team to start v Swansea... Nice dilema for Poch:D I could even see games or part of games where all four start...MAYBE:) Then again are all four available next season?......I hope so;) I will stick with my opinion....when fit....Wanyama in my selection every time:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 27 April, 2014 Share Posted 27 April, 2014 For me...Victor when fit everytime. Previously Morgan instead of Corky. Davis every time in his role. So that leaves me as a selector:rolleyes: Corky or Morgan to play with Victor and Steve Davis. Same side to start against Swansea and Morgan..IF fit on the bench. Yes...I sit on the fence...as Wanyama , Morgan .Corky and Davis are great players. Lately Morgan has dropped off from his high class performances.......so his injury rest/recovery is probably much needed. Final answer one game at a time......Same team to start v Swansea... Nice dilema for Poch:D I could even see games or part of games where all four start...MAYBE:) Then again are all four available next season?......I hope so;) I will stick with my opinion....when fit....Wanyama in my selection every time:) If all are on board and fit next season what about some serious rotation to keep all four involved and happy, with the inevitable knocks, suspensions and drop-off in form eventually easing the selection dilemma. One of the surprising parts of Wanyama's game yesterday was the quality of his passing and distribution - with Davis and Cork so good as well it was a strange thing not to miss Morgan's absence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 27 April, 2014 Share Posted 27 April, 2014 If all are on board and fit next season what about some serious rotation to keep all four involved and happy, with the inevitable knocks, suspensions and drop-off in form eventually easing the selection dilemma. One of the surprising parts of Wanyama's game yesterday was the quality of his passing and distribution - with Davis and Cork so good as well it was a strange thing not to miss Morgan's absence. Not only feeling we can improve with our current group.......hopefully all staying.. James Ward-Prowse and Harrison Reed will push on for many more appearances.....and other youth stepping up. I am sure Poch has eye on the transfer market as well. COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 27 April, 2014 Share Posted 27 April, 2014 Morgan - great player and a long serving veteran now - will have to get used to the bench from time to time, as will others, Clyne has been there and look how he responded. If we want to go to the next stage we need a strong bench and top cover in every position, we've got it in midfield and right back, top clubs have it everywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 27 April, 2014 Share Posted 27 April, 2014 Chelsea and Arsenal away are the only games we've conceded more than once with Wanyama on the pitch. Let's hope he can put injuries behind him and be consistent player next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 I felt the whole team pressured and tackled very well yesterday. Not many of our players were beaten - bar the fact we didn't score it was a great performance from the whole team. In saying this Big Vic had another cracking game and im sure of defensive record is much better with him in the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Morgan - great player and a long serving veteran now - will have to get used to the bench from time to time, as will others, Clyne has been there and look how he responded. If we want to go to the next stage we need a strong bench and top cover in every position, we've got it in midfield and right back, top clubs have it everywhere Agree. Better squad, more rotation, more competition. Step up or ship out. Not much place for sentiment if we want to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 28 April, 2014 Author Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Chelsea and Arsenal away are the only games we've conceded more than once with Wanyama on the pitch. Let's hope he can put injuries behind him and be consistent player next season. Chelsea game he picked up a knock first half at 1-0 to us and arsenal lovren wasn't playing and boruc made that error followed by harsh pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai27 Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 It's pretty hard to ignore those stats. Wanyama has to start every game when fit. Really enjoyed watching Cork and Wanyama play a full 90min together this week. Based on that performance I'd start the same again for Swansea. I would be absolutely ecstatic for him if he manages to end the season with his first Saints goal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan abnormal Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Easily the best thing he's done in a Southampton Shirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumush Posted 28 April, 2014 Share Posted 28 April, 2014 Morgan - great player and a long serving veteran now - will have to get used to the bench from time to time, as will others, Clyne has been there and look how he responded. If we want to go to the next stage we need a strong bench and top cover in every position, we've got it in midfield and right back, top clubs have it everywhere Spot on. The next level is having this selection dilemma in all positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fborosaint Posted 29 April, 2014 Share Posted 29 April, 2014 Just worked out that with Wanyama on the pitch we have concede on average every 123 minutes. Without him, every 55 minutes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beancounter saint Posted 29 April, 2014 Share Posted 29 April, 2014 Just worked out that with Wanyama on the pitch we have concede on average every 123 minutes. Without him, every 55 minutes! Nice stat, just for completeness how do the goals scored compare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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