tisspahars Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Not a chance in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 I agree. We should stick with him until we are top of the Conference!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 He has to go along with Lowe and Wilde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 he will be gone by Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 To sack JP would be an admission of failure by Lowe. And Lowe does not admit mistakes readily. As much as I wish the lot of them were gone (please Santa, I've been good this year!) I fear we're stuck with them for the long haul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 i think the problem is the same off the pitch as on it. there is no plan b... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 he will be gone by Tuesday Knowledge or wishful, wishful thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Knowledge or wishful' date=' wishful thinking?[/quote'] Barclay's Bank man is OBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Knowledge or wishful' date=' wishful thinking?[/quote'] hunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 I don't have a problem with Poortvliet. The way the finances are keeping him handcuffed, I doubt anyone would do better. Probably worse. Radical change is required. Takeover please. Get it sorted. And Rupert never to darken the doorstep ever again. Well I can dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 he will be gone by Tuesday To be replced by Wotte and Hockaday,woopdy f u c k i n doo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 To be replced by Wotte and Hockaday,woopdy f u c k i n doo. can it get much worse? JP aint doin the job - may as well try Wotte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 He has to go along with Lowe and Wilde # He does? He has to go? Says who? I don't have a problem with Poortvliet. The way the finances are keeping him handcuffed, I doubt anyone would do better. Probably worse. Radical change is required. Takeover please. Get it sorted. And Rupert never to darken the doorstep ever again. Well I can dream. Sadly Andrew, you seem to be one of the few people who realise that what they really want to happen is justr a dream. I'm afraid more people are needed to face up to reality of the situation - this season is going to be one hell of a struggle no matter who is in charge. Calling for the head of one manager only for him to be replaced by someone else in the same situation is utterly, totally, pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 # He does? He has to go? Says who? Sadly Andrew, you seem to be one of the few people who realise that what they really want to happen is justr a dream. I'm afraid more people are needed to face up to reality of the situation - this season is going to be one hell of a struggle no matter who is in charge. Calling for the head of one manager only for him to be replaced by someone else in the same situation is utterly, totally, pointless. Are finances are no worst than Forests, i left SMS after their second goal went in and it must be great being positive from a keyboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Surely someone can create better tactics with the same bunch of players and drop non-performing players (McGoldrick)? I don't believe there is not another manager out there that can't do that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Are finances are no worst than Forests' date=' i left SMS after their second goal went in and it must be great being positive from a keyboard.[/quote'] They are, I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 They are, I'm afraid. You sure? football is played on the pitch , we were awful , the tactics stink and have done at home all season. good players are being turned into one trick ponys by a second rate dutch coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 You sure? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Yes. all those who are standing up for the dutch pratt appear to have not seen the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 all those who are standing up for the dutch pratt appear to have not seen the game It's not about standing up for anyone, it's about a rational perspective on the situation. Whether I was at St. Mary's today or not doesn't change the fact that we are financially f*cked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Lowe will sack him and appoint my nan because 1. Its a revolutionary appointment 2. She's got some great left field ideas .. like coming off after ten for a cup of tea 3. She's got no experience whatsoever (like Wigley, Portaloo etc) 4. Its a revolutionary appointment 5. She'll do it for a scotch egg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 To sack JP would be an admission of failure by Lowe. And Lowe does not admit mistakes readily. As much as I wish the lot of them were gone (please Santa' date=' I've been good this year!) I fear we're stuck with them for the long haul.[/quote'] All too true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 It's not about standing up for anyone, it's about a rational perspective on the situation. Whether I was at St. Mary's today or not doesn't change the fact that we are financially f*cked. just disagree it has nothing to do with money why we rolled over today. rationally ilttle old southampton in the cramped dell should not have got promoted in 67 but the club had leaders in those days who understood that money would come with a successful team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 just disagree it has nothing to do with money why we rolled over today. Well it does. We have team of kids who appear to be barely up to the job and a manager who is struggling to keep us in safe position. Why? Because we have no money to play with whatsoever and we're trying to make the best we can with what we have. Some days that's going to be enough, some days it ain't. Welcome to life as a fan of a poor club at the wrong end of the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 just disagree it has nothing to do with money why we rolled over today. If we had money, a proven goalscorer like Stern John would not have been forced to go out on loan. If we had money, we would not have had to appoint JP. If we had money, we would be able to strengthen our squad in Jan. If we had money, we would not be forced into selling our best players in Jan. I'd say this has a lot to do with money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Well it does. We have team of kids who appear to be barely up to the job and a manager who is struggling to keep us in safe position. Why? Because we have no money to play with whatsoever and we're trying to make the best we can with what we have. Some days that's going to be enough, some days it ain't. Welcome to life as a fan of a poor club at the wrong end of the table. We had no money at the end of last season, but we had a manger who kept us safe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Well it does. We have team of kids who appear to be barely up to the job and a manager who is struggling to keep us in safe position. Why? Because we have no money to play with whatsoever and we're trying to make the best we can with what we have. Some days that's going to be enough, some days it ain't. Welcome to life as a fan of a poor club at the wrong end of the table. we do not have a team full of kids at all wolves had a team with an average age lower than ours...palaced have one or two younger kids... kelvin rudi perry BWP euell surman Holmes are not kids... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 We had no money at the end of last season, but we had a manger who kept us safe... lol - are you aware of our wage bill in the second half of last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 we do not have a team full of kids at all. OK - I'll alter that. We have a team of kids with potential, ****e that nobody else wants and players who don't want to be here - mixed in with a couple who we'll probably be forced to sell by the financiers in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 He will be gone by this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 He will be gone by this weekend. Again, hope or based on fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 If we had money, a proven goalscorer like Stern John would not have been forced to go out on loan. . We have money for Forecast, Gasmi, Pulis, Pekhart, Smith, and Robertson. How much have that lot contributed so far ? They surely come in at more per week than any one of Rasiak, Saga, or Stern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 OK - I'll alter that. We have a team of kids with potential, ****e that nobody else wants and players who don't want to be here - mixed in with a couple who we'll probably be forced to sell by the financiers in January. i would argue that we have more talant at our disposal than the likes of plymouth, barnsley, palace, swansea we have england u21 players, who are wanted by prem clubs..we have other international players...im not saying we should be riding high but to dismiss them all as crap no one wants is silly... i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 We have money for Forecast, Gasmi, Pulis, Pekhart, Smith, and Robertson. How much have that lot contributed so far ? They surely come in at more per week than any one of Rasiak, Saga, or Stern. Funnily enough, the exact same comment was made in an Echo article this week! Hard to disagree with, to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 to dismiss them all as crap no one wants is silly... i Can you read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Can you read? :confused: OK - I'll alter that. We have a team of kids with potential, ****e that nobody else wants and players who don't want to be here - mixed in with a couple who we'll probably be forced to sell by the financiers in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 i would argue that we have more talant at our disposal than the likes of plymouth, barnsley, palace, swansea we have england u21 players, who are wanted by prem clubs..we have other international players...im not saying we should be riding high but to dismiss them all as crap no one wants is silly... i Problem is we have a dutch coach who cannot or will not change formations during a home game when we are losing , today was pitiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Problem is we have a dutch coach who cannot or will not change formations during a home game when we are losing ' date=' today was pitiful.[/quote'] that is my point...it seems to be in fashion at the mo suggesting no other way would work with the players we have.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 I don't have a problem with Poortvliet. Nor do I, other than the lack of tactical nous, no plan B, sh1te loan signings, no idea about the English game, crap substitutions at the wrong point in the game,...did I say lack of tactical nous ? Sorry, but the guy is plainly out of his depth. Once we are in the bottom three, then maybe, finally, it might sink in that this experiment has failed - probably fatally. :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Funnily enough, the exact same comment was made in an Echo article this week! Hard to disagree with, to be fair. Not quite in the circulation area, so can't be blamed for plagiarism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Again' date=' hope or based on fact?[/quote']No inside info. Lowe will bottle it before the AGM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 we do not have a team full of kids at all wolves had a team with an average age lower than ours...palaced have one or two younger kids... kelvin rudi perry BWP euell surman Holmes are not kids... McGoldrick is also not a kid. Forest had a load of youngsters, as have many other teams. We also took a conscious decision to get in youngsters on loan, when we could have got some experience in. Our squad is actually not that bad, certainly not promotion chasers, but then again not one that should roll over and get spanked at home by Forest. Make no mistake, this should have been something like 4-1 to them. A new manager could play a different formation, could motivate the players better, could wheel and deal in January. The notion that there is no alternative to Jan is fccuking head in the sand thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 that is my point...it seems to be in fashion at the mo suggesting no other way would work with the players we have.... or blame it on money. passion and desire was lacking from the team today and most home games they have been brainwashed into believeing they can pass their way to the top. Today they started to appeal every time a nasty forest player put his all into a tackle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 Lowey and Wildey to blame throughout. JP TO GO FOR SURE, but please not Wotte and Gorre. The whole crowd, Directors and Coaching staff, should exit now. No excuse most, everybody saw it coming and the sad thing is, Lowey still thinks he knows best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 He has to go along with Lowe and Wilde and take their failed experiment with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 :confused: I put the players into four groups (count 'em), so I'll ask again - can you read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 I put the players into four groups (count 'em), so I'll ask again - can you read? erm, yes.thanks for that.. great point I think those 4 groups would apply to nearly, if not ALL of the teams outside of the top 4 of the premiership though...even then some would dispute that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 that is my point...it seems to be in fashion at the mo suggesting no other way would work with the players we have.... Exactly. - but we own contracts for strikers capable of ten goals each per half season. The system should accommodate them. Not the other way round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mary Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 I so much wanted this experiment with "Total Football" to be a success. I applauded the opportunity given to many of the youngsters some of whom, given time, will make a decent career possibly at a higher level. I've even been understanding of the Board as they attempt to balance the financial issues surrounding this once great club of ours. But, along with many other fans, there has to be a tipping point and unfortunately I think we have reached that today. The problem is that, even as a fan and modest shareholder, we are non-entities as far as the Boards of SFC and SHL are concerned. I hoped against hope that there would be some form of statement saying - This is our financial situation for the coming year. This is the strategy we are putting in place. And these are the tactics we will adopt ( together with support alternatives ) to achieve that strategy. Not a word. We are treated like idiots. I was unable to attend the AGM next Tuesday due to business commitments but on Monday I will try to rearrange my appointments so that I can say to Mr Lowe " What on earth are you still doing at our club when an overwhelming majority of fans don't want you ", and to Mr Wilde " There should be an ASBO banning you from ever getting within 20 miles of St Marys ever again ", Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 20 December, 2008 Share Posted 20 December, 2008 To sack JP would be an admission of failure by Lowe. And Lowe does not admit mistakes readily. As much as I wish the lot of them were gone (please Santa' date=' I've been good this year!) I fear we're stuck with them for the long haul.[/quote'] correction doesn't admit mistakes fullstop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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