Saint Charlie Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 Am I allowed to think he's a good team player while accepting he's not attacking enough for the role asked of him? Or is that translated to me saying he's rubbish to make it easier? You may because thats how he is used, not a question of quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 VvD probably went to right CB to accommodate a LB playing CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 You may because thats how he is used, not a question of quality. How do you work that out? He does well in getting into attacking positions but, once there, his limitations are exposed - the inability on any consistent basis to deliver a killer pass, or to finish the chances that often come his way. I like him more than my mate Derry does, but I can certainly see his point. If we had a high-end final-third midfielder, perhaps our greatest need, I think we'd be far higher in the table. But, in fairness to Davis, we'd also lose some important things. Reading the Davis debate on here, I think everyone, including Derry, is right to some degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 VvD probably went to right CB to accommodate a LB playing CB Agreed with this, I'd like to see VVD right side more often but think he was only there to accommodate Bertrand on the left. Was nice to have a natural left and right footed "CB", distribution was a lot better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 We played well against Palace? Really? Is that between the bouts of mediocrity, mistakes, and technical flaws? Have to say I respectfully disagree. We made two very poor mistakes that cost us, but we dominated the first half and gave everything throughout. For me we looked the better side overall, although Zaha was perhaps best player on the pitch. So,yeas, I thought we played OK, certainly better than in many games this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 The SaintsPlayer highlights show the disallowed goal and Davis is clearly level with Holebas when the ball's played. That's close enough. If you need a freeze-frame then you can hardly criticise the officials. Technically it wasn't actually disallowed because play had been stopped by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 That's close enough. If you need a freeze-frame then you can hardly criticise the officials. Technically it wasn't actually disallowed because play had been stopped by then. how come people on telly, in the ground could see it was onside at the time, without the need for freeze-frames/replays/4th officials etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davayy Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 how come people on telly, in the ground could see it was onside at the time, without the need for freeze-frames/replays/4th officials etc Because the people in the ground and on tv have a higher perspective and from further away. The play looks alot slower from that angle as they are not running to keep up with play like the lino is. It is much easier to make a judgement when standing still vs running and trying to follow the line. Also, bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 how come people on telly, in the ground could see it was onside at the time, without the need for freeze-frames/replays/4th officials etc It just looked 'close' to me, certainly not obviously wrong, and if the tv shows him as level then you can't actually say for certain that it was wrong. Is there any link to the video for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 It just looked 'close' to me, certainly not obviously wrong, and if the tv shows him as level then you can't actually say for certain that it was wrong. Is there any link to the video for this? Are you Mike Riley?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 how come people on telly, in the ground could see it was onside at the time, without the need for freeze-frames/replays/4th officials etc I wouldn't bother, he's on here every week talking some guff about angles, retina HD quality, the shape and size of the moon or the glare from the sun or some other excuse for poor decisions from well paid professionals. He's the only person I've heard claim that Ayew of Swansea didn't trip himself over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 I wouldn't bother, he's on here every week talking some guff about angles, retina HD quality, the shape and size of the moon or the glare from the sun or some other excuse for poor decisions from well paid professionals. He's the only person I've heard claim that Ayew of Swansea didn't trip himself over That's because he didn't, his left knee was clipped. If you have the time then look at it again, it's there to see if you look for it. Unless you have an anti-official agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 That's because he didn't, his left knee was clipped. If you have the time then look at it again, it's there to see if you look for it. Unless you have an anti-official agenda. how come the officials could see that minuscule apparent detail but the clear onside/offside for davis was too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 Are you Mike Riley?? Even at my worst I wasn't that bad :raz: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 how come the officials could see that minuscule apparent detail but the clear onside/offside for davis was too much Because they're different things. One official sees the knee getting clipped, another, who happens to be in exactly the right place and looking straight across the back line, sees some part of Davis ahead of the defenders. I wouldn't call the trip minuscule, it just doesn't show up easily on television. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 Benjii responded in the same way as you but I'm not understanding the distinction. Yes, we played with a back three but we could have done that with either one of them in the middle of it. Moving VvD to the other side is, at least to me, quite a significant change considering that we've spent the entire season playing Fonte ® and VvD (L). Regardess, it seemed to work very well because the uncertainties evident in Fonte's recent form disappeared, and he seemed much more assured. I really liked how they dovetailed last night, and that has been a cause for concern over recent weeks. I sure hope you're allowed to see it that way because that's exactly how I see it too. I think he brings a lot to the team, but two of the things we need most - an incisive final pass and a good finish - are not really on the list. I'm quite happy to recognize him for what he is, and yet get frustrated with him because of what he doesn't seem capable of delivering. Bertrand said "It's alright, I was left of three at the back. We have a good understanding of each other and that was a new position but it wasn't too bad, it worked tonight. There was a bit more central duties to do but then other than that when we are on the ball I'm in my left back domain anyway. It's not too bad to pick the right passes from there." It almost looked like a normal back four with VVD on the right of Fonte with an extra left back tacked on. I think that worked much better than first half Saturday because instead of a third centre back and the lack of familiarity, the two usual centre backs were reinforced by Bertrand as a natural left sided player tucked in, with Target playing up and back outside him, making a much better blend which the two specialist centre backs were more comfortable with, whilst giving us the extra man in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Halo* Posted 14 January, 2016 Share Posted 14 January, 2016 reinforced by Bertrand as a natural left sided player tucked in Also known as the Danny Fox Role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 15 January, 2016 Share Posted 15 January, 2016 Must have been offside as if not, then being contentious, MotD would (or maybe that should be "should") have shown it. It certainly would have been shown on MOTD had it been a United/Arsenal/Chelsea/Liverpool player who had put the ball in the net, only to have it waved offside. We were a match well down the pecking order, despite the number of chances we created in probably the most one-sided game of the day, so the pundits were hardly likely to want to spend time on debating it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 15 January, 2016 Share Posted 15 January, 2016 Surprised the Lino on the Kingsland side could even spot it, that was more of a guess, he must have been knackered after chasing Shane Long with his afterburners switched on, quite a few times he was left for dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 15 January, 2016 Share Posted 15 January, 2016 Re Davis I thought he played very well Was his 'goal' offside or not Not shown on MOTD Whatever it was a terrific finish Onside on the replay I had on my stream. Really annoyed me even after the game as it's Davis who struggles to score and it was a really nice finish. MOTD didn't show it as well, had it been a top6 team can amost be certain it would of been shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 15 January, 2016 Share Posted 15 January, 2016 Onside on the replay I had on my stream. Really annoyed me even after the game as it's Davis who struggles to score and it was a really nice finish. MOTD didn't show it as well, had it been a top6 team can amost be certain it would of been shown. The highlights on SaintsPlayer don't give a particularly good view, but the comments were that at worst it was level. And as said no way could the lineo have known anyway - but Whitey "Frank" Grandad will be along shortly to put us right on that I expect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 15 January, 2016 Share Posted 15 January, 2016 And as said no way could the lineo have known anyway Well quite, it's not as if it's the most important part of his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 January, 2016 Share Posted 15 January, 2016 The highlights on SaintsPlayer don't give a particularly good view, but the comments were that at worst it was level. And as said no way could the lineo have known anyway - but Whitey "Frank" Grandad will be along shortly to put us right on that I expect The slow motion TV angles are all lies I tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 15 January, 2016 Share Posted 15 January, 2016 Onside on the replay I had on my stream. Really annoyed me even after the game as it's Davis who struggles to score and it was a really nice finish. MOTD didn't show it as well, had it been a top6 team can amost be certain it would of been shown. That's a bit tinfoil hat. It's a shame they didn't show it but it will have been time restraints, given we were one of the last games on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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