1976_Child Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 Thank God Saga is back in the squad. Now we might just start finding the back of the net at home games! http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11187 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 hallelujah - lets hope JP can/will pick him! McG is 110% sh1t and we will never score goals while he's the lone striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 hallelujah - lets hope JP can/will pick him! McG is 110% sh1t and we will never score goals while he's the lone striker Don`t hold your breath will ya ,you will be blue... So Mcg has improved a bit then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiansaint Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 So he got his "international clearance" then. You couldn't make it up, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 I welcome Saganowski back as we need all the help we can get but I see no evidence to suggest he's going to be a prolific goalscorer for us again - far from it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 I welcome Saganowski back as we need all the help we can get but I see no evidence to suggest he's going to be a prolific goalscorer for us again - far from it . If you mean unless he get's some decent service from the other 10 then I'm in full agreement. He is what we are missing though and that is a proven goalscorer but unless he's supplied with the ball neither he or Torres would make a great deal of difference. Fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 If he plays for us he wont be able to be sold this year so if he plays he will continue to for the rest of the season. Which i think is a massive boost for us, hopefully now we will drop the dutch version of 4-3-3 and switch to a proffesional 4-4-2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 Thank God Saga is back in the squad. Now we might just start finding the back of the net at home games! http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11187 Oh, this article is just complete f**king bolllocks As if he is going to be picked. This is just Lowe-inspired OS spin. Does anybody REALLY still fall for this, especially after JP saying in September that there was no constraint on picking Skacel but the player himself now saying he was told to go or not play ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 In contention for a place???? LOL!! Surely its a no brainer, McGoaldrought or Saga, mmmm tough one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 So it took five replies then! Of course you don't see any evidence of it, he's never played in this team. He might come in and score freely, he might come in and be uninterested or he might just fail to score. Will depend on his attitude, confidence and how many chances we create. But I'd be absolutely amazed if any fan would rather than DMG. Based on that, this is very good news, and good news is getting quite rare around here so I'm going to enjoy it. I based my post on this players not very special scoring record over the last 2 seasons at both SFC and Aalborg BK , based on this hard evidence I'd urge caution before we start to "thank fook" Saganowski is back to rescue us like the 7th Cavalry in an old cowboy film . It goes without saying all Saints fans wish Saga well and hope he can recapture the form he so briefly displayed when he first arrived at the club on loan - I'm just trying to inject a note of realism here . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 Do you, or anyone for that matter truly believe this 442 stuff? It seems like such a bewildering generalisation. We've played 442 recently and looked worse, we've played the formation badly in the past. But that's not even my point. Forget Saints for a minute, people on here are talking about 442 as if it's the only sensible formation, you call if "professional". Yet how many teams play it now? Arsenal very rarely, Man Utd sometimes, but often more like us with 2 wide players, 1 main striker, 1 behind or 3 in midfield, chelsea never, they play more like our formation, liverpool do play our formation, i haven't seen them play 442. Villa sometimes, but often with just carew and using their fast wide players, everton never do, and so on. there are many formations out there, some suit some players, some managers have their own ideas of how to organise things, but there's no set formation that works. are we down to a level of naivity where we'd rather play 442 with our current players than 4-3-3 with better ones? i don't even believe it is 433, to me it's 4-2-3-1. we went with 2 up front against man utd and lost out more than ever in midfield. either way, it doesnt change the back 4 does it. we have so few good strikers, maybe 1 now saga is back, yet it's all about 2 up front. well, i'll happily see lallana playing off saga with two wingers getting forward. it's about form, ability, confidence and effort. changing to 442 is just a rash call from overly simplistic fans. Seems people can't handle any debate, any grey areas, there's no listening, no insight, no consideration, everything is just so clearcut, black and white. so prefer 442 if you like, but be specific and don't paint it as some amazing cure all for every club. Well it depends really i think on wether or not you think 4-4-2 being played right will bring us more goals then a defensive 4-3-3? If you look at the formation it is nothing like the 4-3-3 Chelsea or Arsenal use. We use a holding striker which is really more of a midfielder and the wingers stay more in midfield then in attack. It is considered a dutch 4-3-3 formation but an english 4-5-1 formation. By switching to a real 4-4-2 means you have 2 people to pass the ball up to and means the wingers have more people to cross the ball to. More options = more chances to score in my book. On the radio on the way home the other day someone commented on the tactics and asked can you say it works? The reality is with only 20 games remaining we have hit the net only 22 times. Only one team has scored fewer goals then us. If you have played over half the season and have failed to score at least 1 goal a game is it the tactics or is it the personel? Personally i think its the tactics thus switching to a proffesional 4-4-2 should help simply by having more people in attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 I based my post on this players not very special scoring record over the last 2 seasons at both SFC and Aalborg BK , based on this hard evidence I'd urge caution before we start to "thank fook" Saganowski is back to rescue us like the 7th Cavalry in an old cowboy film . It goes without saying all Saints fans wish Saga well and hope he can recapture the form he so briefly displayed when he first arrived at the club on loan - I'm just trying to inject a note of realism here . The thing is can Saganowski be any worse than what we have at the moment? I for one am looking forward to him starting, our scoring record this season has been abysmal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 Oh, this article is just complete f**king bolllocks As if he is going to be picked. This is just Lowe-inspired OS spin. Does anybody REALLY still fall for this, especially after JP saying in September that there was no constraint on picking Skacel but the player himself now saying he was told to go or not play ??? Of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 The thing is can Saganowski be any worse than what we have at the moment? I for one am looking forward to him starting, our scoring record this season has been abysmal. Agreed . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MongoNeil Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 Do you, or anyone for that matter truly believe this 442 stuff? It seems like such a bewildering generalisation. We've played 442 recently and looked worse, we've played the formation badly in the past. But that's not even my point. Forget Saints for a minute, people on here are talking about 442 as if it's the only sensible formation, you call if "professional". Yet how many teams play it now? Arsenal very rarely, Man Utd sometimes, but often more like us with 2 wide players, 1 main striker, 1 behind or 3 in midfield, chelsea never, they play more like our formation, liverpool do play our formation, i haven't seen them play 442. Villa sometimes, but often with just carew and using their fast wide players, everton never do, and so on. there are many formations out there, some suit some players, some managers have their own ideas of how to organise things, but there's no set formation that works. are we down to a level of naivity where we'd rather play 442 with our current players than 4-3-3 with better ones? i don't even believe it is 433, to me it's 4-2-3-1. we went with 2 up front against man utd and lost out more than ever in midfield. either way, it doesnt change the back 4 does it. we have so few good strikers, maybe 1 now saga is back, yet it's all about 2 up front. well, i'll happily see lallana playing off saga with two wingers getting forward. it's about form, ability, confidence and effort. changing to 442 is just a rash call from overly simplistic fans. Seems people can't handle any debate, any grey areas, there's no listening, no insight, no consideration, everything is just so clearcut, black and white. so prefer 442 if you like, but be specific and don't paint it as some amazing cure all for every club. Completely agree with the 442 rubbish but I reckon Saga will be best suited to play wide right, we don't really have anyone who can play there (except Dyer!) and that's where he played in the Euro's for Poland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 hate to put a downer on things but he couldnt hit a barn door last time he was here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 Great news. We do need something different up front and Saga can be a quality player for us again. I'd still like to see another forward come in though as much as that is unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 It always seems to me that the people who crave Saga or Skacel or Euell back in te team are not the ones who watch them regularly. It is hope born of past reputations and a lack of recent knowledge. Last season he didn't look like he could put one past Supersaint at half time & he has hardly been prolific since he last played for us, has he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 It always seems to me that the people who crave Saga or Skacel or Euell back in te team are not the ones who watch them regularly. It is hope born of past reputations and a lack of recent knowledge. Last season he didn't look like he could put one past Supersaint at half time & he has hardly been prolific since he last played for us, has he? Nope, simply not true IMO. Nearly everyone I speak to at SMS wants Saga, Euell, Skacel in the side, maybe not so much Euell but definatly the other two. Can you honestly think Saga will be worse than Paterson, Robertson, Pekhart etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 Phew... rather have Rasiak and John but glad to see him back for a couple of games or hopefully more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 ... Last season he didn't look like he could put one past Supersaint at half time & he has hardly been prolific since he last played for us, has he? For whatever reason Saga was completely mis-managed by Burley only being used as a bit-part sub or the odd game here and there. Even then you could see he had something about him - the Polish national manager obviously thought so. He's not going to save us single-handedly and will need the support of the team in terms of personnel and strategy but he gives us a better chance than we've got just now. If, that is, he get's to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 hate to put a downer on things but he couldnt hit a barn door last time he was here And Mcgoldrick can:rolleyes: I'd rather try something different than stay with the same sh1t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 Yes, we are saved at last....... just like when Rudi arrived Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 A positive addition to the squad cannot be anything other than good news. The only people who present it as otherwise have their own anti-club agendas to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintedwill Posted 7 January, 2009 Share Posted 7 January, 2009 The one thing that Saga has got that McG hasn't is at least a defence feel like they've been worked at the end of a game. He will run a line ragged and at least tire a defence out so fresher players can come on late in the game and pose a threat that masks their ability. I put in more effort walking to the loo at half time than McGoldrick does in 90 mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 8 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 January, 2009 I put in more effort walking to the loo at half time than McGoldrick does in 90 mins. Agreed. McGoldrick has got to be the laziest ****er ever to wear the Red and White. It's not as if he ain't talented. He just can't be arsed half the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 8 January, 2009 Share Posted 8 January, 2009 Oh, this article is just complete f**king bolllocks As if he is going to be picked. This is just Lowe-inspired OS spin. Does anybody REALLY still fall for this, especially after JP saying in September that there was no constraint on picking Skacel but the player himself now saying he was told to go or not play ??? If it turns out he does start playing, will you forgive and forget, or just carry on *****ing as per usual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 January, 2009 Share Posted 8 January, 2009 If it turns out he does start playing, will you forgive and forget, or just carry on *****ing as per usual? I am confident he wont, but if he does play, I'll just find another excuse to slag the Beetroot-Faced Bastard off. It's like Tube trains. If you miss one, you know another one will be along within 10mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 8 January, 2009 Share Posted 8 January, 2009 I am confident he wont, but if he does play, I'll just find another excuse to slag the Beetroot-Faced Bastard off. It's like Tube trains. If you miss one, you know another one will be along within 10mins. Maybe in Austria Alps, but not here, lol!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 8 January, 2009 Share Posted 8 January, 2009 (edited) The one thing that Saga has got that McG hasn't is at least a defence feel like they've been worked at the end of a game. He will run a line ragged and at least tire a defence out so fresher players can come on late in the game and pose a threat that masks their ability. I put in more effort walking to the loo at half time than McGoldrick does in 90 mins. Very true, you watch his movement off the ball, he is always looking for space and defends well from the front. He will know doubt be a big boost to the rest of the squad aswell. I don't expect miracles overnight, but if he plays as many consecutive games as DMG has I'd be 95% sure he would score more goals. -------------Davis--------- James----Lancs---Perry-----Molyneux/ Rudi Smith------Schnederlin---Surman----Holmes ----------------Rudi/Lallana------------- ------------------Saga---------------- Looks a good team on paper. Edited 8 January, 2009 by slickmick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 8 January, 2009 Share Posted 8 January, 2009 Look at it this way. If we didn't know Saga at all and we'd just heard that we'd signed, even on loan, an experienced, Polish full international striker with champions league experience, wouldn't we all be pleased -- delighted even? Personally I always thought Saga was much better than John at holding the ball, and in general play, regardless of goalscoring. I too thought Burley really messed him about, like he did Rasiak as well --- seemed determined to undermine their confidence, which affects all strikers more than most players. This has to be good news. If he is anything like motivated (and that's up to Poortvliet to manage) he will be an asset to the team. If we are lucky and he scores early on, then the confidence boost will make him a *real* asset. K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 8 January, 2009 Share Posted 8 January, 2009 Do you, or anyone for that matter truly believe this 442 stuff? It seems like such a bewildering generalisation. We've played 442 recently and looked worse, we've played the formation badly in the past. But that's not even my point. Forget Saints for a minute, people on here are talking about 442 as if it's the only sensible formation, you call if "professional". Yet how many teams play it now? Arsenal very rarely, Man Utd sometimes, but often more like us with 2 wide players, 1 main striker, 1 behind or 3 in midfield, chelsea never, they play more like our formation, liverpool do play our formation, i haven't seen them play 442. Villa sometimes, but often with just carew and using their fast wide players, everton never do, and so on. there are many formations out there, some suit some players, some managers have their own ideas of how to organise things, but there's no set formation that works. are we down to a level of naivity where we'd rather play 442 with our current players than 4-3-3 with better ones? i don't even believe it is 433, to me it's 4-2-3-1. we went with 2 up front against man utd and lost out more than ever in midfield. either way, it doesnt change the back 4 does it. we have so few good strikers, maybe 1 now saga is back, yet it's all about 2 up front. well, i'll happily see lallana playing off saga with two wingers getting forward. it's about form, ability, confidence and effort. changing to 442 is just a rash call from overly simplistic fans. Seems people can't handle any debate, any grey areas, there's no listening, no insight, no consideration, everything is just so clearcut, black and white. so prefer 442 if you like, but be specific and don't paint it as some amazing cure all for every club. We are not playing premiership sides anymore and the majority of champonship sides play the 4-4-2 formation with the positional requirements that go with that formation. However, as you say it's about ability and confidence. Having one striker against four defenders will allow an opposition defender to be free to go forward and help control the midfield since ours are weaken by including two wingers and a DM (sitting two deep). If we are to play the dutch 4-3-3 we need to push up the defensive line up 10 yards and get the wingers to press a bit more when not in possession of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 8 January, 2009 Share Posted 8 January, 2009 hate to put a downer on things but he couldnt hit a barn door last time he was here Er, so you missed the goal against Sheff Utd then? Lots of people hail Stern John (rightly) for keeping us up on the final day last season, but without Saga's goal we would have been down. And if anyone wonders about his commitment to Saints - admittedly before we farmed him out to Aalborg - despite being treated appalling, then check out his reaction when he was sitting on the bench, having been subbed late on after giving 100%, when Lallana scored at West Brom in the penultimate match. He leapt about almost as much as me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 8 January, 2009 Share Posted 8 January, 2009 saganowski is a different class to the dross we currently play in McGoaldrought, paterson et al. He will be an extremely valuable asset if he does actually play. I just hope he does play and this isn't more spin ******** from the club. This guy is full of the type of experience we desperately need, even if he's not been a goal machine of late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 8 January, 2009 Share Posted 8 January, 2009 Do you, or anyone for that matter truly believe this 442 stuff? It seems like such a bewildering generalisation. We've played 442 recently and looked worse, we've played the formation badly in the past. But that's not even my point. Forget Saints for a minute, people on here are talking about 442 as if it's the only sensible formation, you call if "professional". Yet how many teams play it now? Arsenal very rarely, Man Utd sometimes, but often more like us with 2 wide players, 1 main striker, 1 behind or 3 in midfield, chelsea never, they play more like our formation, liverpool do play our formation, i haven't seen them play 442. Villa sometimes, but often with just carew and using their fast wide players, everton never do, and so on. there are many formations out there, some suit some players, some managers have their own ideas of how to organise things, but there's no set formation that works. are we down to a level of naivity where we'd rather play 442 with our current players than 4-3-3 with better ones? i don't even believe it is 433, to me it's 4-2-3-1. we went with 2 up front against man utd and lost out more than ever in midfield. either way, it doesnt change the back 4 does it. we have so few good strikers, maybe 1 now saga is back, yet it's all about 2 up front. well, i'll happily see lallana playing off saga with two wingers getting forward. it's about form, ability, confidence and effort. changing to 442 is just a rash call from overly simplistic fans. Seems people can't handle any debate, any grey areas, there's no listening, no insight, no consideration, everything is just so clearcut, black and white. so prefer 442 if you like, but be specific and don't paint it as some amazing cure all for every club. Most teams in the Championship play 4 4 2 I dont really care what we play all I know is at the moment it is not working and we need more pressence up front and that means playing two up front I agree it is a bit simplistic to say just go 4 4 2 and everything will be ok what we need is the ability to adapt and change things when they are not working like now call it what you want but I want more fire power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 8 January, 2009 Share Posted 8 January, 2009 Oh, this article is just complete f**king bolllocks As if he is going to be picked. This is just Lowe-inspired OS spin. Does anybody REALLY still fall for this, especially after JP saying in September that there was no constraint on picking Skacel but the player himself now saying he was told to go or not play ??? I hear what you are saying but that was September when they were thinking/hoping that they could get away with not playing him, now they have addressed that and are playing him. It would also follow then, that Saganowski is coming back to be picked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 8 January, 2009 Share Posted 8 January, 2009 Saga has played his last game for us, its a sop to the fans, he will not be selected if Lowe has anything to do with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 January, 2009 Share Posted 8 January, 2009 I hear what you are saying but that was September when they were thinking/hoping that they could get away with not playing him, now they have addressed that and are playing him. It would also follow then, that Saganowski is coming back to be picked. JFP, I know we have our differences of opinion, but do you really believe anything that comes up on the OS anymore ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 8 January, 2009 Share Posted 8 January, 2009 JFP, I know we have our differences of opinion, but do you really believe anything that comes up on the OS anymore ? All I am saying is that you are drawing a comparison to Skacel coming out and saying he would not be playing if he stayed AND he is now being played as we are in the brown stuff. I think it follows that we are going to be doing the same with Saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 January, 2009 Share Posted 8 January, 2009 Deh deh deh deh...saganowski... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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