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Sorry if posted elsewhere but appararently David is the next big thing according to the Times

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/european_football/article5502827.ece?token=null&offset=12&page=2

 

44. David McGoldrick (Southampton)

 

The 21-year-old striker has nine goals this term for the Saints and is tipped to go marching on to bigger things for his all-round ability.

 

 

Some people obviously see more in his play than posters on this forum do!

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All round ability? Must be his pace and shooting ability .... not.

 

I think he has potential to be fair. Alot. Whether he has been allowed to demonstrate it this season or indeed enhance it by working alongside experienced strikers remains doubtful due to the policies of club and coach.

 

I think he'll be a decent player if put in a more traditional set up.

 

He'll fade otherwise.

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I agree that he will become a good player and will command a decent fee in the next couple of seasons. He has been asked to play a role that was alien to his style of play and has gone about it without moaning. good luck to him and hopefully at the end of the season he would have turned many of the insults into plaudits.

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Coffer over monitor moment there... McGoaldrought is destined for heights no greater than lower CCC if he's lucky and that's just about where we'll stay if we have to rely on his goal scoring (ahem...and other!?!) abilities IMO.

 

Calling our top scoer McGoaldrought is a touch harsh! He's 13th in the Championship scorers table, not bad from a club in the relegation zone.

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The sort of player that will be slagged off on here week after week and then everyone will moan when we sell him and he scores for fun in the Premiership!

 

Nah, he's just not that good! He might make an adequate Championship player in a season or two but certainly won't be any more successful than that.

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he was special at youth/reserve level, remember seeing him play- looking ****y and disinterested but scoring for fun. Just had that aire about him that he knew he would score.

 

Wonder if his confidence is lower after scoring relatively few and also wonder if he could go on a scoring run -like BT.

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Sorry if posted elsewhere but appararently David is the next big thing according to the Times

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/european_football/article5502827.ece?token=null&offset=12&page=2

 

 

 

 

Some people obviously see more in his play than posters on this forum do!

 

Yeah well it was in the Times. When was the last time that Murdochs trumpet said anything believable?

 

Despite his recent goals, I doubt whether DM will ever play at a higher level than he is at now.

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Because he's playing with a bunch of 12 year olds people forget that he is still young and learning. His goal tally is not that bad considering his age and how ****e we are.

 

exactly what I have been saying all season. The lad needs time, and I'm talking about a couple of seasons, to develop into a decent player. What I don't understand is why so many on here are almost willing the lad to come up short.

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FWIW I think he is a very good player with a great deal of potential. His attitude appears to be a bit off at times but I honestly think that is young modern players in today’s game. Maybe an unjust comparison but he frustrates me in exactly the same manner and way MLT did in his early days. So if he has half as good a career as MLT then I and many of you lot certainly won't be complaining, well I am sure some of you still will be but hey ho!

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who does?

forest

 

earnshaw (27) is their 'old hand'

 

no one else is really of any age..most are around 21

 

when we played then at sms...our avearge age of the starting 11 was 25 their was 22..

 

also of note..we had experience in goal, at CB at LB and in midfield..

 

they dont have any old hands what so ever

 

(of course that will all probably change in the next week or so)

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Forgetting our own opinions of DMG for the moment.....

 

Many names on that list are targets for the BIG clubs with BIG cheque books, enough of this negativity, DMG is the next Messi/Henry/Drogba. Get with the programme gang he's gonna be worth billions.

 

Come on Barca, Real, Inter - you KNOW it makes sense, get him now while he is still affordable, he's all yours for 10 mil and a sell on clause (cash in advance please)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(ironic winky smiley thing as in how well did TSF rate the new Didier Drogba in his time with us - ie Kenwyne - in the year we all wanted him shipped back to where he had come from.... and in I wonder if we could do a Kevin Davies for him)

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forest

 

earnshaw (27) is their 'old hand'

 

no one else is really of any age..most are around 21

 

when we played then at sms...our avearge age of the starting 11 was 25 their was 22..

 

also of note..we had experience in goal, at CB at LB and in midfield..

 

they dont have any old hands what so ever

 

(of course that will all probably change in the next week or so)

 

 

Except Forest have been together for longer as a team (2 years) and actually their 'kids' are roughly 21 whereas ours are 19 and we had a couple, a couple, of much older other players. Stats and lies and all that aside, I think Forest are not quite in the same boat as us with 2-3 older players and 9 kids.

 

 

... but then even if they were younger (and they're not) they do have a manager. A key difference.

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Kelvin Davis © 32 Lee Camp 24

Lloyd James 20 Brendan Moloney 19

Alex Pearce 20 Kelvin Wilson © 23

Chris Perry 35 Wes Morgan 24

Rudi Skacel 29 Joel Lynch 21

Andrew Surman 22 Chris Cohen 21

Jack Cork 19 Arron Davies 24

Jason Euell 31 Matt Thornhill 20

Adam Lallana 20 Paul Anderson 20

Lee Holmes 21 Robert Earnshaw 27

David McGoldrick 21Joe Garner 20

 

was a pretty young 22 (with few exceptions!)

a more typical 11 for us would probably have Schneiderlin instead of Euell -and 18 year old over 31. Players often make it at 23/24 but not many in teams at 18-20, we could easily play 7 close to that. Not that us v forest matters -both young teams

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Kelvin Davis © 32 Lee Camp 24

Lloyd James 20 Brendan Moloney 19

Alex Pearce 20 Kelvin Wilson © 23

Chris Perry 35 Wes Morgan 24

Rudi Skacel 29 Joel Lynch 21

Andrew Surman 22 Chris Cohen 21

Jack Cork 19 Arron Davies 24

Jason Euell 31 Matt Thornhill 20

Adam Lallana 20 Paul Anderson 20

Lee Holmes 21 Robert Earnshaw 27

David McGoldrick 21Joe Garner 20

 

was a pretty young 22 (with few exceptions!)

a more typical 11 for us would probably have Schneiderlin instead of Euell -and 18 year old over 31. Players often make it at 23/24 but not many in teams at 18-20, we could easily play 7 close to that. Not that us v forest matters -both young teams

 

 

LOL Euell, Davies and Perry are ancient in Saints years lol They are practically in zimmer frames. To be fair, when you read that why are we that bad? Answer... Policy (Lowe) and Manager (Dont have one)

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FWIW I think he is a very good player with a great deal of potential. His attitude appears to be a bit off at times but I honestly think that is young modern players in today’s game. Maybe an unjust comparison but he frustrates me in exactly the same manner and way MLT did in his early days. So if he has half as good a career as MLT then I and many of you lot certainly won't be complaining, well I am sure some of you still will be but hey ho!

 

Sorry, but to compare DMcG with MLT is somewhat laughable and to be fair makes your comment - well, appear as if you have no grasp whatsoever. MLT had basic skill - it was in the very core and fabric of his being. He didn't need to try too hard - he scored for fun against Premiership opposition. What did DMcG manage to achieve against Man U? Nothing of note ATALL - no threat and certainly no goals. LOL.

 

As someone else pointed out, he has had umpteen opportunities to be the best striker in the league apparently...but where do we find ourselves??? Anyone who considers DMcG as having the potential to save us from relegation through his scoring ability is as deluded as our Director of Football (Lowe) and his puppet JP.

 

That said, its up to him to prove me wrong and I do hope he comes good. If not however, I might not be propping up his salary next season, as I've had a gutfull of the under-ambition and under-achievement the club has dished up for too long now.

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FWIW I think he is a very good player with a great deal of potential. His attitude appears to be a bit off at times but I honestly think that is young modern players in today’s game. Maybe an unjust comparison but he frustrates me in exactly the same manner and way MLT did in his early days. So if he has half as good a career as MLT then I and many of you lot certainly won't be complaining, well I am sure some of you still will be but hey ho!
I quite agree, the more I see him the more I think he could be a real asset soon. If we stay up and hold the squad together he could have a blinder of a season next year.

 

Sorry, but to compare DMcG with MLT is somewhat laughable and to be fair makes your comment - well, appear as if you have no grasp whatsoever. MLT had basic skill - it was in the very core and fabric of his being. He didn't need to try too hard - he scored for fun against Premiership opposition. What did DMcG manage to achieve against Man U?
To be fair, he was comparing the way in which both players could frustrate the fans to an extent. Also, it seems a bit harsh to suggest that because Mcgoldrick didn't do much in one cup game against United that he couldn't score against Premiership opposition later in his career.
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Sorry, but to compare DMcG with MLT is somewhat laughable and to be fair makes your comment - well, appear as if you have no grasp whatsoever. MLT had basic skill - it was in the very core and fabric of his being. He didn't need to try too hard - he scored for fun against Premiership opposition. What did DMcG manage to achieve against Man U? Nothing of note ATALL - no threat and certainly no goals. LOL.

 

As someone else pointed out, he has had umpteen opportunities to be the best striker in the league apparently...but where do we find ourselves??? Anyone who considers DMcG as having the potential to save us from relegation through his scoring ability is as deluded as our Director of Football (Lowe) and his puppet JP.

 

That said, its up to him to prove me wrong and I do hope he comes good. If not however, I might not be propping up his salary next season, as I've had a gutfull of the under-ambition and under-achievement the club has dished up for too long now.

 

 

In fairness to DMG, MLT wasn't the best striker in the prem in his first full 6 months in the team....

 

The PROBLEM with DMG is that he has not had a lot of experience of playing week in and week out, he has stints on loan but he has not had the full pressure of being expected to be "The Man" every week.

 

That takes TIME and experience. We can argue that previous managers should have given him more playing time to get that experience but the two facts really are that he is still learning and that learning will breed calmness and confidence, and the second fact, more importantly, he hasn't had another "wise old head" around him to help carry the load.

 

It IS fair to say that it is too much to expect him to score the goals that will keep us up all on his own considering this, but then it is not actually HIS fault that the club put an "apprentice" into that position.

 

As far as his ability goes, the forum thought KJ was a joke player in his first season, so on our track record I suppose that means DMG is likely to become as good as KJ...

 

But probably not while he is with us

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DMG does not get hatfulls of chances per game and so it is unfair to say he wastes lots. A 21 year old striker thatr is expected to play with his back to goal 1 upfront aginst at least 3 defenders is a very hard job. Well done to DMG getting as many as he has so far and as I pointed out elsewhere his goals have contributed to 17 points this season.

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I think he is really poor and runs around like he couldn't give a monkeys. Not very good in the air. Can't see a pass. Woeful at shooting. Not very composed. Has 'mares and still gets picked. And doesn't defend from the front or make runs that take defenders out of the equation for others to benefit. Apart from that, he's brilliant. Perhaps Man City could offer him £500,000 a week?

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I am in full agreement with Chez and Ewell. I think DMc has all the attributes to be an excellent player he holds the ball up well, has good control and involves others well, often having to keep the ball under pressure from 2 or 3 men. Some of the service he has received has been laughable.

 

He isn't scoring hatfuls but has still managed 7 this season which is not bad going in anyones book and certainly not for someone who is only likely to improve. People were writing KJ off as clumsy and lazy in his first season and they were wrong then as well

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All round ability? Must be his pace and shooting ability .... not.

 

I think he has potential to be fair. Alot. Whether he has been allowed to demonstrate it this season or indeed enhance it by working alongside experienced strikers remains doubtful due to the policies of club and coach.

 

I think he'll be a decent player if put in a more traditional set up.

 

He'll fade otherwise.

 

Under a traditional set up he wouldn't have got a game and probably have been sold to score goals for another club - see Leon Best and Dexter Blackstock. Might have been better for his career though.

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I think he is really poor and runs around like he couldn't give a monkeys. Not very good in the air. Can't see a pass. Woeful at shooting. Not very composed. Has 'mares and still gets picked. And doesn't defend from the front or make runs that take defenders out of the equation for others to benefit. Apart from that, he's brilliant. Perhaps Man City could offer him £500,000 a week?
and your record of slagging off KD puts you in a great position as a judge.lol
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I think he is really poor and runs around like he couldn't give a monkeys. Not very good in the air. Can't see a pass. Woeful at shooting. Not very composed. Has 'mares and still gets picked. And doesn't defend from the front or make runs that take defenders out of the equation for others to benefit. Apart from that, he's brilliant. Perhaps Man City could offer him £500,000 a week?

 

 

I think that's really harsh. He's not to bad in the air, he can certainly see a pass - his build up play is excellent. Also, to get the stick he gets in his FIRST season and still perform as well as he did against Reading at home shows alot more about his attitude that putting his hands on his hips.

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DMG does not get hatfulls of chances per game and so it is unfair to say he wastes lots. A 21 year old striker thatr is expected to play with his back to goal 1 upfront aginst at least 3 defenders is a very hard job. Well done to DMG getting as many as he has so far and as I pointed out elsewhere his goals have contributed to 17 points this season.

But if somebody else had been playing instead might we have had more points?

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DMG does not get hatfulls of chances per game and so it is unfair to say he wastes lots. A 21 year old striker thatr is expected to play with his back to goal 1 upfront aginst at least 3 defenders is a very hard job. Well done to DMG getting as many as he has so far and as I pointed out elsewhere his goals have contributed to 17 points this season.

 

DMG does not get a hatful of chances per game because we don't make that many. that's why it's imperative that when we do, we put them away. If he is the player being picked week in, week out in the main striking role, then whatever his age, he is the one that has to put those chances away and if he doesn't then people are well within their right to be critical.

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FWIW I think he is a very good player with a great deal of potential. His attitude appears to be a bit off at times but I honestly think that is young modern players in today’s game. Maybe an unjust comparison but he frustrates me in exactly the same manner and way MLT did in his early days. So if he has half as good a career as MLT then I and many of you lot certainly won't be complaining, well I am sure some of you still will be but hey ho!

 

I agree with the first bit of your post he is a decent player with potential it is just his attitude and ego in question for me.

 

I do not agree the you can compare him in any way to MLT you could compare him to somone like Fuller good player loads of potential but very frustrating with a massive ego the sort of player you really want when they are on song and performing but hate and detest when they are not

 

MLT is a legend and cant be compared to anyone a complete 1 off

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Not exactly prolific in his early days was he? Granted there were times he was left out due to Chris Nichol protecting him and a fair few appearances from the bench. Now the comparison was not meant to be a direct comparison as some of you have taken it (some sad comments from a couple of you I have to add). The comparison was saying hey look we do not really know what this guy is going to be like so just give him a chance. The comparison is just a personal view that on occasions Matty did frustrate a lot of people including me especially in the early part of his career.

 

If you do not agree then I can only assume you were either too young or not actually stood on the terraces watching Matty play. The guy for me is a genius and one of if not the best player I have ever seen. He was not flawless though and did have his critics especially in his early days.

 

Could McGoldrick possibly be the same?

 

 

1986-1987 Played 24 Scored 6 goals (Division 1)

1987-1988 Played 19 Scored 0 goals (Division 1)

1988-1989 Played 28 Scored 9 goals (Division 1)

1989-1990 Played 35 Scored 20 goals (Division 1)

1990-1991 Played 35 Scored 19 goals (Division 1)

1991-1992 Played 32 Scored 6 goals (Division 1)

1992-1993 Played 40 Scored 15 goals (Premiership)

1993-1994 Played 38 Scored 25 goals (Premiership)

1994-1995 Played 41 Scored 20 goals (Premiership)

1995-1996 Played 34 Scored 7 goals (Premiership)

1996-1997 Played 31 Scored 13 goals (Premiership)

1997-1998 Played 26 Scored 11 goals (Premiership)

1998-1999 Played 30 Scored 6 goals (Premiership)

1999-2000 Played 18 Scored 3 goals (Premiership)

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2001-2002 Played 4 Scored 0 goals (Premiership)

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DMG does not get a hatful of chances per game because we don't make that many. that's why it's imperative that when we do, we put them away. If he is the player being picked week in, week out in the main striking role, then whatever his age, he is the one that has to put those chances away and if he doesn't then people are well within their right to be critical.
bloody hell we are expecting al ot.A young player who is expecting to be super clinical in a side that creates little golden chances, should we not be going for Kaka instead.If DMG was that prolific in his first season he[d be not in our club now.
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But if somebody else had been playing instead might we have had more points?
Who knows, iam commenting on the bare facts.We can assume Rasiak may have scored more, or Stern perhaps, that we dont know.Neither of those 2 are scoring for fun and so it is hard to really say.If DMG ends the season on 15+ goals then it would be a fantastic achievement for him.It is not all down to him to score by the way.
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bloody hell we are expecting al ot.A young player who is expecting to be super clinical in a side that creates little golden chances, should we not be going for Kaka instead.If DMG was that prolific in his first season he[d be not in our club now.

 

But it was on the basis of how good he was percieved to be, that we loaned out all 3 of Rasiak, John and Saganowski and only got in younger even less experienced players (sh!t ones at that) to help him lead the attack. I look at Leicester and Matty Fryatt and how many goals he is knocking in. Now, I accept he is a year older than DMcG and is playing for a team full of confidence and against League 1 defences but he really does looks a player that could cut it at a higher level. I,m afraid I can't see it with DMcG but I hope he proves me wrong.

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It needs to be pointed out that your assessment of a played is somewhat flawed.

Because I disagree with you. Nice one.

PS From the above thread I appear not to be the only one who thinks DMcG isn't very good

PPS 'player'

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