Donald Trump Appreciation Thread

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Not gonna lie. I put Sir Rs latest post in chatgtp to summarise and it said the following:

The argument presents Trump’s foreign policy as a coherent, calculated grand strategy, but that coherence is largely constructed after the fact rather than demonstrated by evidence. Many of the claims rely on assumption, selective interpretation, and rhetorical framing rather than verifiable outcomes or consistency.

 

So which parts do you disagree with then? When someone puts forward a rationale , you typically explain why it might be wrong. Trump hasn’t published his strategy online and therefore of course it’s a theory and has assumption, so chat gpt can’t verify it!

Maybe @Farmer Saint could put it into chat cgt to summarise it for him in simple terms too, maybe a couple of bullet points with pictures. Why even consider an alternative when you hate Trump so much though, right?

Edited 2 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Sir Ralph]

28 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Countries like India?

I’m not sure of the point? Iran, Venezuela and Cuba aren’t allies with India

[benjii]

 

[benjii]

 

Bit weird.

 

[Guided Missile]

Denmark is ready.

[east-stand-nic]

7 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Trumps actions in Venezuela deposed the leader of a regime who helped to destroy the country. He also supported Iran, China and Russia as enemies of the western world. So probably not a bad move to control what is the largest producer of oil and stop it being controlled by our enemies.

The protests in Iran and destabilisation of that country are positive for the people living in that country and for western interests. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that is happening now, all around the same time as Venezuela. Trump threatening Iran if it kills protesters is the right thing to do and they know he won’t hesitate because of his attack on their nuclear capabilities last year. 
 

Cuba is supported economically by Venezuela so Trump is essentially saying they won’t get economic support anymore and they need to play ball and stop working with Russia and China.

There is a clear strategy that Trump is targeting the countries that support Russia and China and weakening their position in the world by doing so. 

In terms of Greenland, Russia and China has shown interest in controlling it over recent years which would be a significant security concern for Europe and the US, particularly with the expansion of the military of those two countries and even the UKs top army officials saying we may have to prepare for war with Russia after 2030. Trump is using this rhetoric to get dozy European leaders to get up off their butts and think about better protecting it to minimise the Russia / China risk. Vance said so himself. I would say it’s highly unlikely Trump is going to invade Greenland but he is using forceful language to make people sit up ans pay attention and do something about it. 
 

I think what Trump is doing is actually trying to strategically better position the west and is having to drag western leaders who have been resting on their laurels over China and Russia for the past 20 years. As the US administration has said, Europe has been too reliant on the US militarily and needs to start getting serious about the risks we face. My personal view is that I’m glad someone is banging the drum on this before it’s too late. Trump knows that the US needs Europe as an ally against the Chinese and Russians but needs it to sort itself out. Vance’s speech in Munich also said this.
 

It’s very easy to throw out 2 sentence statements saying he’s clueless but it’s a bit more complex than that. His moves to shore up western interests against Russia and Chinese risks are certainly more assertive than any other western leaders in the last 20 years and, so far, without going to war. Trump is quite calculated but gives the impression of being more unpredictable which is intentional when dealing in negotiations with people, particularly nut job regimes and soft western leaders.
 

For those that think we shouldn’t be dealing with the China / Russia issue firmly I think that attitude is why we have the problem we do now. And in case people hadn’t realised sanctions don’t work particularly when the network of the “baddies” has been allowed to increase unchecked

Good luck trying to get most on here to accept that this is even slightly possible. As you can see, most will not even read ti saying they were 'Bored'. As I have said above also, too many myopic views here based on personal bias. God knows I hate all politicians and people in power, but I just cannot figure the human brain that refuses to listen to another possibility without just calling it conspiracy based. I have written similar to you about what DT has done and got the usual emoji's from the brain dead. This is why the world is so divided now. Too many like this out there that refuse to see another angle to thing, whether proven true or not they will call it a lie if it does not suit their opinion on the PERSON as opposed to viewing the situation for what it is. 

[badgerx16]

In the lhe latest example of totally non-political deployment of the DoJ against people who have stood up to Trump, a criminal investigation has been launched against the Chair of the Federal Reserve.

[benjii]

5 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

Denmark is ready.

That's actually quite funny.

Well done. 

[badgerx16]

51 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I’m not sure of the point? Iran, Venezuela and Cuba aren’t allies with India

No, but India is close to Russia and China. Also, how does Greenland fit into your theory ?

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

So which parts do you disagree with then? When someone puts forward a rationale , you typically explain why it might be wrong. Trump hasn’t published his strategy online and therefore of course it’s a theory and has assumption, so chat gpt can’t verify it!

Maybe @Farmer Saint could put it into chat cgt to summarise it for him in simple terms too, maybe a couple of bullet points with pictures. Why even consider an alternative when you hate Trump so much though, right?

In the word of AlexLaw76, "Nope".

I'm not gonna bother. As it will turn into an endless doomloop.

[Sir Ralph]

1 minute ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

In the word of AlexLaw76, "Nope".

I'm not gonna bother. As it will turn into an endless doomloop.

You just challenged what I said remember. When you mean an endless doomloop I suspect you don’t actually have a response to the theory. The mentality of people on this forum is “I just hate Trump therefore there can be no rationale to what he does”. I doubt anyone will be able to seriously engage with the points made for this reason. 

[Sir Ralph]

13 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

No, but India is close to Russia and China. Also, how does Greenland fit into your theory ?

India sits in the middle between Russia and China and the west. It is not a western enemy like Russia or China. In fact India is more worried about China than the west.

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

1 minute ago, Sir Ralph said:

You just challenged what I said remember. When you mean an endless doomloop I suspect you don’t actually have a response to the theory. The mentality of people on this forum is “I just hate Trump therefore there can be no rationale to what he does”. I doubt anyone will be able to seriously engage with the points made for this reason. 

Nope, friend. I did not challenge anything. Please read the post on the not the poster.

 

[Sir Ralph]

2 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Nope, friend. I did not challenge anything. Please read the post on the not the poster.

 

Ok not sure what the purpose of your post is

[Sir Ralph]

25 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Good luck trying to get most on here to accept that this is even slightly possible. As you can see, most will not even read ti saying they were 'Bored'. As I have said above also, too many myopic views here based on personal bias. God knows I hate all politicians and people in power, but I just cannot figure the human brain that refuses to listen to another possibility without just calling it conspiracy based. I have written similar to you about what DT has done and got the usual emoji's from the brain dead. This is why the world is so divided now. Too many like this out there that refuse to see another angle to thing, whether proven true or not they will call it a lie if it does not suit their opinion on the PERSON as opposed to viewing the situation for what it is. 

There is such a blind hatred for Trump on here they can’t see anything else. Posting pictures of Lego around Greenland, ICE agents going to the toilet and lots of other weird stuff.
 

Barely a post about Iran which is strategically incredibly important! Trump supports the freeing of Iran though so that’s probably a bad thing

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

10 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Ok not sure what the purpose of your post is

 

As I said, no point engaging with you as it becomes a doomloop. 

[benjii]

15 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

There is such a blind hatred for Trump on here they can’t see anything else. Posting pictures of Lego around Greenland, ICE agents going to the toilet and lots of other weird stuff.
 

Barely a post about Iran which is strategically incredibly important! Trump supports the freeing of Iran though so that’s probably a bad thing

Trump supports the destruction of Iran's proxies and the toppling of the mad Mullahs.

That is not in doubt.

I've said before that US was planning military strikes on Iran in the first half of this year already. The current situation on the ground is likely going to accelerate that. 

[revolution saint]

18 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

There is such a blind hatred for Trump on here they can’t see anything else. Posting pictures of Lego around Greenland, ICE agents going to the toilet and lots of other weird stuff.
 

Barely a post about Iran which is strategically incredibly important! Trump supports the freeing of Iran though so that’s probably a bad thing

I see this quite often with Trump apologists but I could turn it on it's head and say frankly I'm amazed that some people can look past the fact he refused to accept the result of a legitimate democratic election and incited an insurrection.  The US was Mike Pence away from having a dictator - that's unbelievable.  Even if I was further to the right on the political spectrum, I don't think I could justify an argument that effectively started with "But apart from that........"

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

So which parts do you disagree with then? When someone puts forward a rationale , you typically explain why it might be wrong. Trump hasn’t published his strategy online and therefore of course it’s a theory and has assumption, so chat gpt can’t verify it!

Maybe @Farmer Saint could put it into chat cgt to summarise it for him in simple terms too, maybe a couple of bullet points with pictures. Why even consider an alternative when you hate Trump so much though, right?

It's not the complexity by any means, I just find you and your posts boring and full of subjective bollocks.

[Sir Ralph]

Just now, Farmer Saint said:

It's not the complexity by any means, I just find you and your posts boring and full of subjective bollocks.

I’m sure you have a book about this on your bookshelf in your office 

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, Sir Ralph said:

I’m sure you have a book about this on your bookshelf in your office 

Why would I have a book about you being a boring twat?

Edited 48 minutes ago by Farmer Saint

[whelk]

Anyone who likes Trump clearly has no sense of morality and consequently is a total cunt. No excuses even for the people too thick to delve deeper. 
 

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, whelk said:

Anyone who likes Trump clearly has no sense of morality and consequently is a total cunt. No excuses even for the people too thick to delve deeper. 
 

But we knew that didn't we? It's very easy to identify the posters on here with no morals or ethics.

[Sir Ralph]

11 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

But we knew that didn't we? It's very easy to identify the posters on here with no morals or ethics.

This is it. If you set out a rationale for  a presidents geo- political strategy you are a horrible person to be ignored. Yet those same people saying that can’t rationally engage in the issue. It’s the lowest form of “debate” that. They just hate Trump so much they can’t consider things int he round. You have proven my point 

Edited 27 minutes ago by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

8 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

This is it. If you set out a rationale for  a presidents geo- political strategy you are a horrible person to be ignored. Yet those same people saying that can’t rationally engage in the issue. It’s the lowest form of “debate” that. They just hate Trump so much they can’t consider things int he round. You have proven my point 

Yawn 🥱 

[Sir Ralph]

2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Yawn 🥱 

Embarrassing. Nobody has really challenged what I said, mainly just Trump hating. Anyway thanks again for proving my point. When you have something to say that’s worthwhile I’d be happy to meaningfully engage with you. In the meantime I’ll go and ponder my “ethics and morality” 😂

[badgerx16]

Trump is thick as mince and almost certainly on the path of dementia. There is overwhelming unadulterated video out there to show this. Combined with the blatant lies coming from him and his cronies, completely the opposite of what anybody can clearly see and read about events; "weaponising" the Justice system agsinst anybody who he feels might have slighted or contrdicted him, having spent years whining about this supposedly being done to him; releasing insurrectionists who tried to overturn a valid election whilst praising the murder of a woman who is being slandered as a "domestic terrorist"; raging about drug cartels whilst pardoning convicted drug smugglers; just flat out lying about his failed domestic policies.

Yes, the man is totally honest, trustworthy, and the saviour of the World.

[revolution saint]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

Trump is thick as mince and almost certainly on the path of dementia. There is overwhelming unadulterated video out there to show this. Combined with the blatant lies coming from him and his cronies, completely the opposite of what anybody can clearly see and read about events; "weaponising" the Justice system agsinst anybody who he feels might have slighted or contrdicted him, having spent years whining about this supposedly being done to him; releasing insurrectionists who tried to overturn a valid election whilst praising the murder of a woman who is being slandered as a "domestic terrorist"; raging about drug cartels whilst pardoning convicted drug smugglers; just flat out lying about his failed domestic policies.

 

Yeah, but apart from that........

[Sir Ralph]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

Trump is thick as mince and almost certainly on the path of dementia. There is overwhelming unadulterated video out there to show this. Combined with the blatant lies coming from him and his cronies, completely the opposite of what anybody can clearly see and read about events; "weaponising" the Justice system agsinst anybody who he feels might have slighted or contrdicted him, having spent years whining about this supposedly being done to him; releasing insurrectionists who tried to overturn a valid election whilst praising the murder of a woman who is being slandered as a "domestic terrorist"; raging about drug cartels whilst pardoning convicted drug smugglers; just flat out lying about his failed domestic policies.

Yes, the man is totally honest, trustworthy, and the saviour of the World.

So what do disagree with in what I said about his geo political strategy?

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Sir Ralph said:

Embarrassing. Nobody has really challenged what I said, mainly just Trump hating. Anyway thanks again for proving my point. When you have something to say that’s worthwhile I’d be happy to meaningfully engage with you. In the meantime I’ll go and ponder my “ethics and morality” 😂

I'm not challenging anything, and I haven't on this thread if you take a look, because I have substantial assets and money in the US that I need to remove. Therefore, I will not risk my opinion on Trump being in the public domain, just to have a debate with a morally corrupt cunt like yourself.

[whelk]

19 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

This is it. If you set out a rationale for  a presidents geo- political strategy you are a horrible person to be ignored. Yet those same people saying that can’t rationally engage in the issue. It’s the lowest form of “debate” that. They just hate Trump so much they can’t consider things int he round. You have proven my point 

It’s not his policies it’s his morally bankrupt character. Clearly that means fuck all to you and that speaks volumes

[Sir Ralph]

11 minutes ago, whelk said:

It’s not his policies it’s his morally bankrupt character. Clearly that means fuck all to you and that speaks volumes

I might not like Starmer but if he put a good policy in place I could acknowledge it. I know you aren’t saying that if you don’t like somebody’s character you can’t  agree with their policies. My post is about his geo political policies

Edited 1 minute ago by Sir Ralph

[skintsaint]

2 hours ago, benjii said:

 

Bit weird.

 

As good as this one..?

 

 

[whelk]

9 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I might not like Starmer but if he put a good policy in place I could acknowledge it. Are you saying that if you don’t like somebody’s character you can’t  agree with their policies?

Not at all. If Hitler got you a better dividend I’m sure you’d be happy

[badgerx16]

14 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

So what do disagree with in what I said about his geo political strategy?

I don't think it is his strategy. Firstly, there are people pulling his strings, secondly I think the "strategy" has been fabricated after the event in an attempt to explain and justify the workings of a lunatic mind.