Mole Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 If Nick Illingsworth resigned/was toppled and they formulated a plan of action for the removal of Lowe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 If Nick Illingsworth resigned/was toppled and they formulated a plan of action for the removal of Lowe? I would consider it... If the Saints Trust formulated a plan of action to help remove Lowe, I wouldn't give a rat's ar$e whether it is Illingsworth in charge or Mr Tumble from CBeebies (one for all the Dad's out there!). Get it done and I'll pay them £10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 I would consider it... If the Saints Trust formulated a plan of action to help remove Lowe, I wouldn't give a rat's ar$e whether it is Illingsworth in charge or Mr Tumble from CBeebies (one for all the Dad's out there!). Get it done and I'll pay them £10. I would, but only if Mr Tumble got the gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 If Nick Illingsworth resigned/was toppled and they formulated a plan of action for the removal of Lowe? Yes, i really feel we need a leader to fall behind, someone or something to lead the fight. I like Nick but i just feel he's no longer the fans man, i've had some good chats with Nick, been involved helping him with various campaigns, the red card, the giant saints shirt over the old walls, this was before he saddled up with Lowe! Don't know whats happened to him, he's still got the passion, just lost his way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 I would, but only if Mr Tumble got the gig. How about we put forward Mr Tumble forward for the CEO job to replace Lowe?? He could definitely show Lowe some Sign Language to let him know in no uncertain terms what we think....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 I wouldn't care who was in charge but I would join and I would be pleased that there wa some sort of organised protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 I did join the Trust in place of renewing my membership in 2006. The membership was renewed for free in 2007 - but after appealing for more funds in 2008 and receiving no answer to my question on what the Trust were going to do to oust Lowe...I declined to offer my cash. The idea of the Trust was good at the time, but it seems to have lost it's way a bit. The Fan on the Board was a farce for someone (I can't guess who) to get his nose into the trough. Thankfully it never came to pass. Unfortunately I do not feel the Trust represents the fans. A bit like forums like this think they represent every Saints fan. They are a minority who have got a bit of publicity by backing Wilde to oust Lowe - but what are they doing now? I appreciate that no one can ever represent the view of the majority of fans - and personal issues of those fronting any organisation always creates problems. Not having a dig at Mr. Illingsworth, but he does lead with his chin metophorically speaking. I would back the Trust if it had a figure head that could unite the fans. We need a Mr.Southampton figure, an ex-player, a legend. There is one man who springs to mind - but I doubt his commitments would allow him to put himslef forward. So SAints Trust get yourself a figurehead the fans could look to for leadership. My choice would be MLT. There are many reasons - he is well respected in all aprts of the greater Southampton community, he gets exposure on SkySports and people want to talk to him about Southampton. So Saints Trust - there is your challenge - get yourself a figurehead and watch the fans flock to join an organisation that could challenge Lowe, Wilde and his cohorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 Perhaps we need a protest or a boycott to force Nick Illingsworth to stand down,or at least his supporters to abandon him. Then,and only then can we talk about a protest or boycott to get rid of Lowe. Sorry but this seems a bit too reminiscent of whether we want to be the Judean Peoples Front or The Front of the People of Judea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 If Nick Illingsworth resigned/was toppled and they formulated a plan of action for the removal of Lowe? I think the Trust should be leading the cries for change. I think Illingworth hates Lowe but has been close to the centre of the boardroom for too long now to be regarded as anything other than another stooge. So theoretically, yes. But, I dont think Illingworth wants Lowe either. Read his A-Z of Saints, a super little book to be fair, well worth buying. Really super. He makes his real feelings about Lowe clear in there. I am split. But I want Illingworth off the fence one way or another within 24 hours to make a judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 If SISA was re-launched or a completely new organisation was set up then yes, not a chance with Saints Trust though. They have been misleading fans and directors of SFC for too long... 838 members? My arse.... not even 10% of that are paid up and 'opted in' members. This is an opportunity for ST to prove me wrong. The FACT is that the Saints Trust will never do anything to compromise their 'friendship' ( or to be more accurate, the people on the ST boards friendship ) with the Directors of SFC. The ST is more interested about getting a seat on the board and getting all the juicy goss than they are about running a supporters club. I challenge the board of Saints Trust to come on here and post ACCURATE figures as to their membership. Do not include people who have not paid. Do not include people who have not opted in by way of signature to have their membership renewed. Do not include Cardiff Saints etc etc who affiliate their members, regardless of whether their members want to be affiliated. What I want to know is how many members have either paid their money, or signed a form and opted in to being a member of Saints Trust in the last 12 months. Surely this is a figure that any prospective member should be entitled to know. I do not know of ONE PERSON who used to be a member who has been asked to renew, I also do not know a single person who would actually renew if they had the choice. Come on ST, how many members.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 oops... just seen this! http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=8419 Will post my analysis on that thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 19 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 January, 2009 Stu - see my response to your post on the other thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 Stu - see my response to your post on the other thread. Thanks for that Stanley Even at 320, the numbers are massively exaggerated. If Saints Trust claim to have 320 members, then if I am show proof of every one of these opting in by way of signature or subscription in the last 12, then I again, will donate £100 to Danny Wallaces charity ( or any other charity the ST deems a worthwhile cause ) Surely worth the effort Saints Trust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 19 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 January, 2009 Thanks for that Stanley Even at 320, the numbers are massively exaggerated. If Saints Trust claim to have 320 members, then if I am show proof of every one of these opting in by way of signature or subscription in the last 12, then I again, will donate £100 to Danny Wallaces charity ( or any other charity the ST deems a worthwhile cause ) Surely worth the effort Saints Trust? Didn't your last bet cost you quite a few pints? (pay your fiver you tight **** then you can reply) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitterne again Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 Joined the Trust when it first started.....but not interested while Mr Ills is involved, this is the man who is more interested in getting his "book" out before Christmas to make more money than waiting to actually chronicle "the most" historic times in our once great club!!!, and while we are on the subject does anyone else remember "Nick the voice of the fan" outside St Marys being asked about Hoddle coming back by SkySports and answering "NO" on behalf of us all few years back??? I will follow a true fan whose passion is this club...NOT someone who uses the club to line his pockets like "the board" we are trying to get rid of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 The problem with the Trust is that they have these meetings with board members, they are scared to annoy anyone at the club in case they lose these meetings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 19 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 January, 2009 Joined the Trust when it first started.....but not interested while Mr Ills is involved, this is the man who is more interested in getting his "book" out before Christmas to make more money than waiting to actually chronicle "the most" historic times in our once great club!!!, and while we are on the subject does anyone else remember "Nick the voice of the fan" outside St Marys being asked about Hoddle coming back by SkySports and answering "NO" on behalf of us all few years back??? I will follow a true fan whose passion is this club...NOT someone who uses the club to line his pockets like "the board" we are trying to get rid of. You saying that about Hoddle reminds me of another time when he said, like he does, that all the people he knew didn't want Billy Davies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 You saying that about Hoddle reminds me of another time when he said, like he does, that all the people he knew didn't want Billy Davies. I would hate to see Hoddle back here... but I'd kiss him if he returned to replace the dumb cloggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 If SISA was re-launched or a completely new organisation was set up then yes, not a chance with Saints Trust though. They have been misleading fans and directors of SFC for too long... 838 members? My arse.... not even 10% of that are paid up and 'opted in' members. This is an opportunity for ST to prove me wrong. The FACT is that the Saints Trust will never do anything to compromise their 'friendship' ( or to be more accurate, the people on the ST boards friendship ) with the Directors of SFC. The ST is more interested about getting a seat on the board and getting all the juicy goss than they are about running a supporters club. I challenge the board of Saints Trust to come on here and post ACCURATE figures as to their membership. Do not include people who have not paid. Do not include people who have not opted in by way of signature to have their membership renewed. Do not include Cardiff Saints etc etc who affiliate their members, regardless of whether their members want to be affiliated. What I want to know is how many members have either paid their money, or signed a form and opted in to being a member of Saints Trust in the last 12 months. Surely this is a figure that any prospective member should be entitled to know. I do not know of ONE PERSON who used to be a member who has been asked to renew, I also do not know a single person who would actually renew if they had the choice. Come on ST, how many members.... Stu you'd say the same thing about the True Saints Association if it still existed, SISA if it was actually doing anything and the Saints Trust whatever it did your just one of lifes irritations who like to have a go at anyone and everything - your the Piers Morgan of Saints fans - and a Daily Mail columnist in the making! 20 years from know you will be the new Richard Chorley or Perry McMillan - only they actually put there money where their mouths are and did something if you are going to constantly have a go - at least do something yourself - otherwise you got nothing to shout about and nothing to stand on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 The ST is more interested about getting a seat on the board and getting all the juicy goss than they are about running a supporters club. That may have been the ultimate goal, but the way they are going about it that will NEVER happen. As there are many saints fans with a few shares here and there, surely having these proxied and having a large membership to pay for buying shares is the focus to gain influence at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 Blimey, how many chairmen's throats are we after? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 If SISA was re-launched or a completely new organisation was set up then yes, .... I have often asked the question on previous threads as to why SISA has not been reformed but still to see any answer. Living out of the area and in the pre-internet days I always felt SISA was pretty effective for the Branfoot days and was sorry to see it disappear.I presume its demise was due to egos/internal squabbles ,or had just run its course once Branfoot was no longer there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 Stu you'd say the same thing about the True Saints Association if it still existed, SISA if it was actually doing anything and the Saints Trust whatever it did your just one of lifes irritations who like to have a go at anyone and everything - your the Piers Morgan of Saints fans - and a Daily Mail columnist in the making! 20 years from know you will be the new Richard Chorley or Perry McMillan - only they actually put there money where their mouths are and did something if you are going to constantly have a go - at least do something yourself - otherwise you got nothing to shout about and nothing to stand on No Rebel, no I would not. This is the same old excuse time and time again.... " ooooh well I don't see you doing anything " blah blah blah boring. I have always supported SISA and said if they relaunched I would be the first to sign up, and lend my time ( without asking for a place on their board, or a place on SFC's board ) . You are right about TSA, but then again the people that have messed up the Saints Trust are the same people largely that messed up TSA, and ironically, Ted Bates Trust. If there was I new organisation with a new board that didn't want a place on the board or to be buddys with Lowe et al, and would get off the f*cking fence once in a while.... then I would support it 100% See one thing you can't accuse me of Rebel is being inconsistant. I don't agree with paying £5 to post on a forum.... so I have not paid, and have stuck to my word.... even though people were certain I would give in within a week. I have not agreed with Saints Trust or their principles from day one, my thoughts have never changed, and due to alot of the actions, my reasoning in not agreeing with their principles has proved justified on countless occasions. You can dress it up any way you want, just face it that the VAST majority of people do not want the Saints Trust anywhere near the board of Southampton FC..... and definately not speaking to media outlets claiming to represent not only their members ( of which they don't, as very few have actually chosen to be members ) or the Saints fanbase in general. Lastly, the fact that nobody has responded to this message since last night just shows how little people care about Saints Trust. This is your chance to make a name for yourselves.... what are you lot doing? Writing a blog and doing the odd newspaper interview. LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 No, it's past it's sell by date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 January, 2009 Share Posted 20 January, 2009 this forum shows the difficulty in a single fans voice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynameisthehulk Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 I would join whoever was in charge, if there was a plan and I thought it was workable and to the benefit of the club, doesnt have to be getting rid of Lowe immediately for me. I would be very interested if there was to be a massive drive for membership with the end goal being able to purchase enough shares to make an impact, a real impact. I totally agree with the idea of a figure head too, although I think MLT might be a bit ambitious, maybe Frannie? I don't always agree with what Nick Illingsworth writes, but he has a right to do so. I do agree that the ST appears to have shot itself in the foot with being so eager to support Mike Wilde and it does seem they are afraid of rocking the boat, when a bit of boat rocking is what we really need at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 these kind of groups do not work, mainly because we have such a split opinion throughout the fans. What we need to find is a common ground between everyone and just set up a group to deal with just that...ie the "remove lowe group" for example. no fees, no politics, just fans with one aim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 No would not join, no passion, no critical comments of the way the club run, no routine meetings with club...no ideas at the way forward...just a paper tiger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 No would not join, no passion, no critical comments of the way the club run, no routine meetings with club...no ideas at the way forward...just a paper tiger Grrr... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintgert76 Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 The problem with the Trust is that they have these meetings with board members, they are scared to annoy anyone at the club in case they lose these meetings. It's worse than that. The set up does not allow the Trust to form an opinion on a 'Rupert out' type issue. There is no democratic process which would allow members to vote on such an issue. They haven't even been able to set up a bank account in such away they can pay their bills. It is a complete and utter waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 The set up does not allow the Trust to form an opinion on a 'Rupert out' type issue. There are various ways and means for members to have their say, all of which are included in the Trust's constitution, which the Trust's board are obliged to follow. There is no democratic process which would allow members to vote on such an issue. Again, see the constitution. There is such a process. They haven't even been able to set up a bank account in such away they can pay their bills. When I was involved (more than a year ago now), there was a bank account. I don't see how that's changed, unless you somehow know different... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 It does seem somewhat perculiar that the Trust can charge a fee, yet it appears to be left up to "ordinary" supporters to organise any sort of action, whatever that may be, against Lowe or JP. This kind of situation is exactly why the trust was set up in the first place surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintgert76 Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 There are various ways and means for members to have their say, all of which are included in the Trust's constitution, which the Trust's board are obliged to follow. Again, see the constitution. There is such a process. When I was involved (more than a year ago now), there was a bank account. I don't see how that's changed, unless you somehow know different... I stand corrected re the constitution - I was obviously misinformed. It does however, beg the question why they have not asked their members to vote on the current issues (i.e. no confidence in the SFC board/manager) so that they can speak for their members. They do not have a fully working bank account Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 I stand corrected re the constitution - I was obviously misinformed. It does however, beg the question why they have not asked their members to vote on the current issues (i.e. no confidence in the SFC board/manager) so that they can speak for their members. I do agree, and that's been the main problem ever since it started, insomuch that the Trust has always been reactionary rather than proactive. I don't think that's necessarily anybody's fault (it's pretty difficult to pre-empt events without looking like you're stirring up trouble), and perhaps the fairly rigid constitution is a hindrance at times like this where a fast response from members is probably required in order to issue some sort of statement of immediate policy. That said, they have e-mail addresses of most of their members, so it should be able to be done. They do not have a fully working bank account Yeah, just spoken to Nick about that. Seems Barclays are being a pain in the arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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