Women’s Football

[Sheaf Saint]

48 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Insensitive to whom?

Anybody who cares about seeing an end to the use of lazy racial stereotypes.

Michelle Agyemang is only 5'7, and thus not considered 'big' by anybody's definition. So by dismissively referring to her as 'the big black bird', because you can't be bothered to look up her name, you demonstrate a thoughtless ignorance and invoke a harmful racist trope about big black women in sport, even if that wasn't your intention.

As the forum's self-proclaimed expert on 'things that are racist', I might have expected you to understand this, but you're obviously still playing dumb.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Germany nearly won right at the end, with a deflection and then follow up both saved. Only minutes before, also in added time, Spain got in behind on the flank, and their sub striker was an inch away from getting contact, which would have beaten Berger.

Germany contained throughout thecsecond half, with little spells of pressure from Bohl and Hoffman, before she went off. Spain happy to foul Brand, knowing what a threat she is.

Spain made an England like sub, in getting more of a target on. It's nearly paid off a few times, and more than their attempts to pass through have done.

Into extra time.

[whelk]

Prefer the Germans in the final. They will obviously win on penalties 

[Sheaf Saint]

6 minutes ago, whelk said:

Prefer the Germans in the final. They will obviously win on penalties 

Definitely looking the more likely to win it now. Spain seem to have completely run out of steam.

[Sheaf Saint]

2 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Definitely looking the more likely to win it now. Spain seem to have completely run out of steam.

Yeah that's on me 🤣

[whelk]

Just now, Sheaf Saint said:

Yeah that's on me 🤣

I was looking forward to pens

[Sheaf Saint]

Shame cos the German keeper has played well tonight, but that's a shocker. Can't be letting that inside the post.

[Turkish]

51 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Anybody who cares about seeing an end to the use of lazy racial stereotypes.

Michelle Agyemang is only 5'7, and thus not considered 'big' by anybody's definition. So by dismissively referring to her as 'the big black bird', because you can't be bothered to look up her name, you demonstrate a thoughtless ignorance and invoke a harmful racist trope about big black women in sport, even if that wasn't your intention.

As the forum's self-proclaimed expert on 'things that are racist', I might have expected you to understand this, but you're obviously still playing dumb.

 

quick FACT check 

3 random photos selected from googling her name clicking images. In all 3 see appears significantly bigger than the other women on the photo by any measure she appears big, compared to the others 

unless saying  a black person is black is now considered derogatory, offensive and lazy racial stereotyping then difficult to see how this can be classed as offensive

so unless I’m missing something it seems that the people offended are you by simply stating a fact you don’t like and the lazy racial stereotype is in fact no such thing. 

Edited Wednesday at 21:27 by Turkish

[whelk]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

3 random photos selected from googling her name clicking images. In all 3 see appears significantly bigger than the other women on the photo 

unless saying  a black person is black is now considered derogatory, offensive and lazy racial stereotyping then difficult to see how this can be classed as offensive

so unless I’m missing something it seems that the people offended are you by simply stating a fact you don’t like 

Would you be baffled if at work you got pulled up for calling a colleague ‘the big black bird’?

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, whelk said:

Would you be baffled if at work you got pulled up for calling a colleague ‘the big black bird’?

Yes as we don’t have any 

 

Edited Wednesday at 21:29 by Turkish

[whelk]

Shockingly shite cross from the Germans

[Turkish]

Just now, whelk said:

Shockingly shite cross from the Germans

If only they had you know who to aim for……

[whelk]

6 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Shame cos the German keeper has played well tonight, but that's a shocker. Can't be letting that inside the post.

First rule at tyro level, don’t get beat at the near post

[saintant]

9 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Shame cos the German keeper has played well tonight, but that's a shocker. Can't be letting that inside the post.

Not all her fault - as is the norm in the modern game, just before the goal, the German player tried a hopeful pass which was never on when she should have lashed the ball into row Z.

[SWLondon Saint]

Have to say, the commentators are bloody annoying when they go on about how brilliant Bonmati is when the fact is that is a stone cold goalkeeping disaster. 

[Sheaf Saint]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

quick FACT check 

3 random photos selected from googling her name clicking images. In all 3 see appears significantly bigger than the other women on the photo by any measure she appears big, compared to the others 

unless saying  a black person is black is now considered derogatory, offensive and lazy racial stereotyping then difficult to see how this can be classed as offensive

so unless I’m missing something it seems that the people offended are you by simply stating a fact you don’t like and the lazy racial stereotype is in fact no such thing. 

Oh this is priceless. You've scoured the internet and found 3 photos showing her alongside players who just happen to be shorter than she is, to justify your description of her as being FACTually correct.

Well done you.

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Oh this is priceless. You've scoured the internet and found 3 photos showing her alongside players who just happen to be shorter than she is, to justify your description of her as being FACTually correct.

Well done you.

“Scoured the internet” = googled her name, clicked images and within about 5 seconds found those photos. Priceless indeed given you must have “scoured the internet” to find her height to justify your argument that she isn’t big. Pretty funny that one

don’t get upset, we get you love to be offended. Maybe we’ll see an end to lazy racial stereotypes when people like you stop looking for them everywhere. 

Edited Wednesday at 21:44 by Turkish

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said:

Have to say, the commentators are bloody annoying when they go on about how brilliant Bonmati is when the fact is that is a stone cold goalkeeping disaster. 

Stop disrespecting women’s football!!!

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Fine margins. Kleinherne had to go off, making a last ditch tackle to prevent a one one one with the 'keeper. Her replacement, Lohmann, is just that little keener to keep possession. Despite a couple of good challenges, and looking to build from defence, she opts to pass than clear. That lets Bonmati in, with a good dummy taking her past a defender and a shot that exploits the half foot Berger had left, expecting a cross.

Spain, unable to pass through Germany, continued to build on stretching the width. But even one up, Schuller had a decent strike. In the last seconds, Spain inexplicably moved up, but Brand's pass went in front of everyone.

Spain will be favourites in the final. Germany sacrificed a lot of their attack, to keep them at bay. England aren't set up to do that, not does it match their strength. But Spain also have a more creative midfield, who also don't mind getting plenty of frustrating fouls in.

England have to set themselves up to directly pressure Spain's high line of defence and push them back as much as possible. Spain were clearly better in the recent friendly, so hopefully Wiegman has some ideas to stop them.

[sledger]

the commentators are so bad,spannish girl tried a volley,commentator said what a superb effort,it went 20 yards wide of the goal.

[Weston Super Saint]

8 hours ago, Turkish said:

“Scoured the internet” = googled her name, clicked images and within about 5 seconds found those photos. Priceless indeed given you must have “scoured the internet” to find her height to justify your argument that she isn’t big. Pretty funny that one

don’t get upset, we get you love to be offended. Maybe we’ll see an end to lazy racial stereotypes when people like you stop looking for them everywhere. 

Just to add :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11534042

Quote

The average woman in England weighed 11 stone (70.2kg) and was 5ft 3in tall (161.6cm).

Statistically, 5 foot 7 inches is taller than the average woman in England....

[Sheaf Saint]

8 hours ago, Turkish said:

“Scoured the internet” = googled her name, clicked images and within about 5 seconds found those photos. Priceless indeed given you must have “scoured the internet” to find her height to justify your argument that she isn’t big. Pretty funny that one

don’t get upset, we get you love to be offended. Maybe we’ll see an end to lazy racial stereotypes when people like you stop looking for them everywhere. 

Oh here we go. Backed into a corner he's now reverting to gaslighting... "Nothing wrong with what I said - the problem must be you". That's a new low even for you Turkish.

I didn't need to look for it in this instance, when it was so clear and obvious. I get that you have a reputation as the forum hard man to maintain, but when multiple posters pull you up on what was, at best, a sloppy choice of words then maybe that's a sign that perhaps it wasn't your best moment. But no, you've dug in and doubled down, and tried so hard to justify it with 'facts' that you've made yourself look desperate and pathetic. This is particularly hilarious, given that you have spent at least the last ten years constantly hounding and attacking a certain other poster every time he posts something that could be misconstrued. 

Let's go back to Whelk's previous question, and all joking aside... If there was a 5'7 black woman working in your office, and you couldn't remember/didn't know her name, would you even dream of describing her to one of your colleagues as "the big black bird"?

I think we all know the answer to that, don't we.

[AlexLaw76]

Look, many of you virtue signalling here do not really care about women’s football for about 48 weeks of the year. 
 

Many of us who are more honest that we  don’t care about women’s football, do not care about 1 whole week more than you. 
 

 

 

[23rdSaint]

52 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Look, many of you virtue signalling here do not really care about women’s football for about 48 weeks of the year. 
 

Many of us who are more honest that we  don’t care about women’s football, do not care about 1 whole week more than you. 
 

 

 

Batman, the point here is whether calling someone a "big black bird" is acceptable. It isn't. 

[OldNick]

13 hours ago, Turkish said:

I don’t consider myself better or worse than anyone so the duck hunter comment is unnecessary. It’s quite amusing the amount of people getting themselves angry about the “disrespect” a young girl they’d not even heard of 2 weeks ago mind 

Turks, from here, you do think you are better than anybody else, but in the main you are better than most for your devilment and trying to gee up this place which sometimes is dull as.

I hadnt heard of Agyemang until the Sweden game but to be fair I didnt know of many of the others either

[iansums]

51 minutes ago, 23rdSaint said:

Batman, the point here is whether calling someone a "big black bird" is acceptable. It isn't. 

If the rest of the team were black and the tall girl up front was white, would 'big white bird' be acceptable? Just asking for a friend.

[East Kent Saint]

2 minutes ago, iansums said:

If the rest of the team were black and the tall girl up front was white, would 'big white bird' be acceptable? Just asking for a friend.

No obviously . Tall striker may be , big , white and bird no! 

[iansums]

9 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

No obviously . Tall striker may be , big , white and bird no! 

Ok, so if an African team happened to field a white player and Turks mentioned the 'white girl', would that be acceptable?

[iansums]

12 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

No obviously . Tall striker may be , big , white and bird no! 

Are you really undecided on whether the adjective 'tall' could be offensive? 😀

[trousers]

19 minutes ago, iansums said:

Ok, so if an African team happened to field a white player and Turks mentioned the 'white girl', would that be acceptable?

Woman, please....

[tdmickey3]

4 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Oh here we go. Backed into a corner he's now reverting to gaslighting... "Nothing wrong with what I said - the problem must be you". That's a new low even for you Turkish.

I didn't need to look for it in this instance, when it was so clear and obvious. I get that you have a reputation as the forum hard man to maintain, but when multiple posters pull you up on what was, at best, a sloppy choice of words then maybe that's a sign that perhaps it wasn't your best moment. But no, you've dug in and doubled down, and tried so hard to justify it with 'facts' that you've made yourself look desperate and pathetic. This is particularly hilarious, given that you have spent at least the last ten years constantly hounding and attacking a certain other poster every time he posts something that could be misconstrued. 

Let's go back to Whelk's previous question, and all joking aside... If there was a 5'7 black woman working in your office, and you couldn't remember/didn't know her name, would you even dream of describing her to one of your colleagues as "the big black bird"?

I think we all know the answer to that, don't we.

Great post and pretty spot on

[Zorba]

[steve green]

6 minutes ago, Zorba said:

 

Fabrice, is that you.

[iansums]

Surely only 'bird' can be objected to, nowadays a sexist expression, 'big' is a little bit iffy for a woman (not a man). Using the word 'black' to identify someone in a team of mostly white players, I don't see a problem.

[Zorba]

11 minutes ago, iansums said:

Surely only 'bird' can be objected to, nowadays a sexist expression, 'big' is a little bit iffy for a woman (not a man). Using the word 'black' to identify someone in a team of mostly white players, I don't see a problem.

Fuck all wrong with “bird”.

Man up FFS! 

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, iansums said:

If the rest of the team were black and the tall girl up front was white, would 'big white bird' be acceptable? Just asking for a friend.

Yes 

[ant]

14 hours ago, Turkish said:

“Scoured the internet” = googled her name, clicked images and within about 5 seconds found those photos.

Given, as you say, it takes a matter of seconds to locate helpful info on the Internet, perhaps it may have served you better to bother looking up her name in the first place.

[Turkish]

Just now, ant said:

Given, as you say, it takes a matter of seconds to locate helpful info on the Internet, perhaps it may have served you better to bother looking up her name in the first place.

What would I have put in the search engine to find her if I didn’t know her name? 

[ant]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

What would I have put in the search engine to find her if I didn’t know her name? 

I think you could probably manage something like "england women".

First result is 'England Women's Senior national football team | Lionesses', which contains numerous articles mentioning Agyemang, with pictures. Second result is the Wikipedia page 'England women's national football team', which contains the current squad.

[Weston Super Saint]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

What would I have put in the search engine to find her if I didn’t know her name? 

"Big black bird"?

[Turkish]

5 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Oh here we go. Backed into a corner he's now reverting to gaslighting... "Nothing wrong with what I said - the problem must be you". That's a new low even for you Turkish.

I didn't need to look for it in this instance, when it was so clear and obvious. I get that you have a reputation as the forum hard man to maintain, but when multiple posters pull you up on what was, at best, a sloppy choice of words then maybe that's a sign that perhaps it wasn't your best moment. But no, you've dug in and doubled down, and tried so hard to justify it with 'facts' that you've made yourself look desperate and pathetic. This is particularly hilarious, given that you have spent at least the last ten years constantly hounding and attacking a certain other poster every time he posts something that could be misconstrued. 

Let's go back to Whelk's previous question, and all joking aside... If there was a 5'7 black woman working in your office, and you couldn't remember/didn't know her name, would you even dream of describing her to one of your colleagues as "the big black bird"?

I think we all know the answer to that, don't we.

You didn’t need to look for her height? So You knew the exact height of an England women’s footballer no on had heard of until a week okay? Okay then 😂

 

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, ant said:

I think you could probably manage something like "england women".

First result is 'England Women's Senior national football team | Lionesses', which contains numerous articles mentioning Agyemang, with pictures. Second result is the Wikipedia page 'England women's national football team', which contains the current squad.

Afraid not when I put England women in, she is 23rd on the list of top searched players and doesn’t even have a photo on the page, which wouldn’t help me. But i guess makes sense as everyone seems to knew very detail about her already including her height without having to look it up 

Edited Thursday at 12:42 by Turkish

[trousers]

6 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

"Big black bird"?

Not helpful....

[ant]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Afraid not when I put England women in, she is 23rd on the list of top searched players and doesn’t even have a photo on the page, which wouldn’t help me. But i guess makes sense as everyone seems to knew very detail about her already including her height without having to look it up 

You're being deliberate obtuse (you?!) as I clearly mentioned the first and second linked results.

But OK, let's really push the boat out with a search string that only a Google jedi could manage: "england women injury time winner"

Right at the top of the page it generates the following summary from a BBC article:

"Nearing the end of injury time, the Lionesses were goalless to Italy, who had scored a goal in the first half. That was until 19-year-old Michelle Agyemang scored at 96 minutes, moments from the final whistle, saving the team from certain defeat."

One minute you're saying how quick and easy it is to use a search engine, the next you're incapable of this. 😆

[Sheaf Saint]

14 minutes ago, Turkish said:

You didn’t need to look for her height? So You knew the exact height of an England women’s footballer no on had heard of until a week okay? Okay then 😂

 

I assumed it would be obvious that I was referring to the second part of your quoted post 🙄

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, ant said:

You're being deliberate obtuse (you?!) as I clearly mentioned the first and second linked results.

But OK, let's really push the boat out with a search string that only a Google jedi could manage: "england women injury time winner"

Right at the top of the page it generates the following summary from a BBC article:

"Nearing the end of injury time, the Lionesses were goalless to Italy, who had scored a goal in the first half. That was until 19-year-old Michelle Agyemang scored at 96 minutes, moments from the final whistle, saving the team from certain defeat."

One minute you're saying how quick and easy it is to use a search engine, the next you're incapable of this. 😆

Thanks, when did that lots about Chloe Kelly, maybe if have got less grief if I’d just ignored her and given the white blonde bird all the praise instead 🤔

Edited Thursday at 12:58 by Turkish

[Saint_Jonny]

Almost refreshing (purely in the context of Saints Web, not the wider universe) to see Turkish having to backpedal and play his waffling contrarian "not me guv" avoidance bullshit about something racial rather than his usual go to of dancing round being openly homophobic and then denying he has said anything controversial whatsoever. Usual tactics. Drop a grenade and then retreat to a position of intellectual ineptitude and apparent disinterest. 

 

[iansums]

This thread is hilarious, I can just imagine Turkish laughing to himself every time he posts, our woke posters on the other hand will be getting more and more angry.

[ant]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Thanks, when did that lots about Chloe Kelly, maybe if have got less grief if I’d just ignored her and given the white blonde bird all the praise instead 🤔

Given the crux of your argument is your lack of simple cognitive ability, you have my sympathies.

[Saint_Jonny]

3 minutes ago, iansums said:

This thread is hilarious, I can just imagine Turkish laughing to himself every time he posts, our woke posters on the other hand will be getting more and more angry.