Women’s Football

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, egg said:

To be fair, assuming half the crowd are kids and half adults, chat GPT estimates that the crowd the other day was close to break even, only losing half a million or so over the season. Bargain. 

Just a drop in the ocean to the loss of Premier league revenue. 

Still at least we can hope they'll come back so we can lose it all again next year

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Your busy life really does get in the way of understanding a basic concept huh? How much are they losing each time then? Is it any different to a men’s team getting 3k a week attendance but still carrying on? Why does any club that’s losing money continue to do it each week?

 

What level? They are in the 2nd division just like the men’s team are. The club have entered a team into the women’s league. That’s merit enough. I appreciate you need to be seen as a misogynist on here to keep up your character but this idea that St Mary’s is a proper stadium and women can only grace it when you say they’ve reached a certain level is off the scale

Ah the old misogynist digs come out now you're struggling. 

No answer and personal digs.

Game Set and Match

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Turkish

[Fabrice29]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Ah the old misogynist digs come out now your struggling. 

Game Set and Match

 

The first page of this thread has you posting more than once that anyone liking women’s football has been socially conditioned to do so and we’re 48 pages and a few years later and you’re arguing that women shouldn’t be allowed on a specific football pitch unless they make money. So yeah, I’m going to label you as playing a misogynist on here. 

[Turkish]

Just now, Fabrice29 said:

The first page of this thread has you posting more than once that anyone liking women’s football has been socially conditioned to do so and we’re 48 pages and a few years later and you’re arguing that women shouldn’t be allowed on a specific football pitch unless they make money. So yeah, I’m going to label you as playing a misogynist on here. 

Now you've resorted to claiming i said things i didnt and more name calling.

Still no answer though.

Desperate.

[Fabrice29]

18 minutes ago, egg said:

Her view will be interesting, and I'd imagine she loves novelty of the big stadia. I wonder how she'd feel if the tickets weren't so heavily subsidised meaning the crowd was half or less. Soulless I'd imagine. 

Please feel free to highlight where I've said what you say I have (save for not watching it). 

 

 

Can I suggest that when you speak to her you don’t condescend her and then she might not feel condescended. Don’t mention ‘novelty of the big stadium’, ‘sub standard football’ and ‘I don’t watch it  and I don’t have a problem with wherever you play but..’

[egg]

1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

Can I suggest that when you speak to her you don’t condescend her and then she might not feel condescended. Don’t mention ‘novelty of the big stadium’, ‘sub standard football’ and ‘I don’t watch it  and I don’t have a problem with wherever you play but..’

Thanks for the condescending instructions on how to speak with someone mate, much appreciated. 

[Fabrice29]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Now you've resorted to claiming i said things i didnt and more name calling.

Still no answer though.

Desperate.

I know you’ve got a life so you won’t have time but all your words are there to read.

Answer to what? Your question as to why losing money every time is a good business idea? It’s obviously not but the plan, I suspect, is not to lose money every time. It will be a long term idea that people continue to come whilst drumming up new custom. I didn’t think that needed explaining so blatantly as I’d already highlighted that once. 

[Turkish]

12 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I know you’ve got a life so you won’t have time but all your words are there to read.

Answer to what? Your question as to why losing money every time is a good business idea? It’s obviously not but the plan, I suspect, is not to lose money every time. It will be a long term idea that people continue to come whilst drumming up new custom. I didn’t think that needed explaining so blatantly as I’d already highlighted that once. 

The question was 

can you explain why its a good business decision to let them come if every time you do it you're losing money?

 

After a load of name calling, personal digs and getting all stroppy we've moved on slightly from hoping more come and have a great day out to adding in it's not in the plan to lose money. Great stuff. However neither of which explain why it's a good business decision.

Must. Try. Harder

[Fabrice29]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

The question was 

can you explain why its a good business decision to let them come if every time you do it you're losing money?

 

After a load of name calling, personal digs and getting all stroppy we've moved on slightly from hoping more come and have a great day out to adding in it's not in the plan to lose money. Great stuff. However neither of which explain why it's a good business decision.

Must. Try. Harder

Are you suggesting I said it’s a good business decision to lose money every week?

The concept that you build a venue and add stuff around that venue and hope that people might visit that venue when possible is not one I can be bothered to argue with you, sorry 😂

Chalk it up as a game set match if it makes you happy. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Fabrice29

[Turkish]

Just now, Fabrice29 said:

Are you suggesting I said it’s a good business decision to lose money every week?

Again, that isn't what i said. Struggling with this aren't you. You said the below. 

we've moved on slightly from hoping more come and have a great day out to adding in it's not in the plan to lose money

I'll make it easy for you, give us 3 reasons why it's a good business decision.

 

[Fabrice29]

Just now, Turkish said:

Again, that isn't what i said. Struggling with this aren't you. You said the below. 

we've moved on slightly from hoping more come and have a great day out to adding in it's not in the plan to lose money

I'll make it easy for you, give us 3 reasons why it's a good business decision.

 

I didn’t say that. You did. Make it easier. 

[Turkish]

23 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

It’s obviously not but the plan, I suspect, is not to lose money every time

 

Just now, Fabrice29 said:

I didn’t say that. You did. Make it easier. 

I think you'll find you did.

[Fabrice29]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

I think you'll find you did.

You said it 15 minutes ago. If you’re going to quote me, actually quote me.

14 minutes ago, Turkish said:

we've moved on slightly from hoping more come and have a great day out to adding in it's not in the plan to lose money. Great stuff. However neither of which explain why it's a good business decision.

Anyway, as I said, I think if you’re a venue that is actively trying to add new things to it and around it then every opportunity to encourage people to come to that venue should be explored. Nowhere did I say it was a good business decision to lose money every time, as you asked. And I really can’t be arsed to explain in 3 bullet points why the concept of people coming to your venue might be a better idea than going elsewhere for your business. If you want to take that as a win, then good for you. 

[Turkish]

19 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

You said it 15 minutes ago. If you’re going to quote me, actually quote me.

Anyway, as I said, I think if you’re a venue that is actively trying to add new things to it and around it then every opportunity to encourage people to come to that venue should be explored. Nowhere did I say it was a good business decision to lose money every time, as you asked.

And I really can’t be arsed to explain in 3 bullet points why the concept of people coming to your venue might be a better idea than going elsewhere for your business. If you want to take that as a win, then good for you. 

I never said you did

Got it, make a statement, get challenged, dish out a few insults, play the cant be arsed anymore card. 

Well done.

[Fabrice29]

33 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I never said you did

Got it, make a statement, get challenged, dish out a few insults, play the cant be arsed anymore card. 

Well done.

Asking me a question about a point you never said I made isn’t challenging me. But well done anyway. 

[Turkish]

21 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

I don’t think there’s any point in trying to implement money making ideas around the ground in the form of bars/shops and a climbing wall or whatever it is in the future if you turn away opportunities for people to spend time at the venue. 

No idea what the over heads of it all are but I suspect even if they are losing money today they are hoping that young people enjoying their time at the ground will encourage them to do so more in the future. 

 

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

I know you’ve got a life so you won’t have time but all your words are there to read.

Answer to what? Your question as to why losing money every time is a good business idea? It’s obviously not but the plan, I suspect, is not to lose money every time. It will be a long term idea that people continue to come whilst drumming up new custom. I didn’t think that needed explaining so blatantly as I’d already highlighted that once. 

 

3 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Asking me a question about a point you never said I made isn’t challenging me. But well done anyway. 

 

I thought you "couldn't  be arsed'? 😂

No you definitely never said it wasnt in the plan to lose money and the plan was to "hope" they come back. 😂

So a plan based on not losing money which is losing money and hope, not such a great plan, which was why you were asked for business reasons as to why it was a good idea. Unfortunately for you this is when the perfectly reasonable question was met with insults and sulks. That's not my fault it's yours. 

[Fabrice29]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

 

 

I thought you "couldn't  be arsed'? 😂

No you definitely never said it wasnt in the plan to lose money and the plan was to "hope" they come back. 😂

So a plan based on not losing money which is losing money and hope, not such a great plan, which was why you were asked for business reasons as to why it was a good idea. Unfortunately for you this is when the perfectly reasonable question was met with insults and sulks. That's not my fault it's yours. 

Like I said, take the win. Well done. 

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Like I said, take the win. Well done. 

Still cant be arsed then?

[Scummer]

Where is the evidence that it costs more to host at a ground we own, and where we can sell food/drink/merchandise, as opposed to renting a ground from someone else and them getting all the food and drink revenue?

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, Scummer said:

Where is the evidence that it costs more to host at a ground we own, and where we can sell food/drink/merchandise, as opposed to renting a ground from someone else and them getting all the food and drink revenue?

Staff costs for food/drink/merchandise

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

It’s clearly ridiculous woke nonsense that they play at St Mary’s. This is the problem with this sport, they piggy back  the men’s game. I’ve no problem with birds at Wimbledon because that sport has earnt the right to be billed alongside the superior men’s event , it’s elite sport. If our birds team played in the Wessex League, they’d get smashed up every week. The Nods want it both ways, when challenged about how shite it is, they reply “it’s a different sport”, but they want this “different sport” to play at the same venues and have an exposure that far exceeds what it deserves. Until it’s at an elite level it shouldn’t play at elite venues. It’s as simple as that. 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

Staff costs for food/drink/merchandise

 

this is what makes me laugh. People quote food and drink like it some cost free money spinner and we're making a fortune on every hot dog sold. These things cost money to buy, store, heat, serve, clean up after, dispose of waste. We dont make 100% profit on every one we sell, some people seem to think if 1000 people spend a fiver each on food, bingo we're up the deal, 5k in the back pocket, by the time you've factored all the costs in i'd be amazed if we even break even.

[Turkish]

37 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s clearly ridiculous woke nonsense that they play at St Mary’s. This is the problem with this sport, they piggy back  the men’s game. I’ve no problem with birds at Wimbledon because that sport has earnt the right to be billed alongside the superior men’s event , it’s elite sport. If our birds team played in the Wessex League, they’d get smashed up every week. The Nods want it both ways, when challenged about how shite it is, they reply “it’s a different sport”, but they want this “different sport” to play at the same venues and have an exposure that far exceeds what it deserves. Until it’s at an elite level it shouldn’t play at elite venues. It’s as simple as that. 

And they also want this different sport to have equal pay as they do the same job, meanwhile they attract crowds and revenues probably equal to conference level. You dont hear conference league midfielders demanding 200k a week because they do the same job as Delan Rice and if they did they'd be told to stop being such a dick and know their level.