Women’s Football

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, egg said:

To be fair, assuming half the crowd are kids and half adults, chat GPT estimates that the crowd the other day was close to break even, only losing half a million or so over the season. Bargain. 

Just a drop in the ocean to the loss of Premier league revenue. 

Still at least we can hope they'll come back so we can lose it all again next year

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Your busy life really does get in the way of understanding a basic concept huh? How much are they losing each time then? Is it any different to a men’s team getting 3k a week attendance but still carrying on? Why does any club that’s losing money continue to do it each week?

 

What level? They are in the 2nd division just like the men’s team are. The club have entered a team into the women’s league. That’s merit enough. I appreciate you need to be seen as a misogynist on here to keep up your character but this idea that St Mary’s is a proper stadium and women can only grace it when you say they’ve reached a certain level is off the scale

Ah the old misogynist digs come out now you're struggling. 

No answer and personal digs.

Game Set and Match

 

Edited Tuesday at 08:48 by Turkish

[Fabrice29]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Ah the old misogynist digs come out now your struggling. 

Game Set and Match

 

The first page of this thread has you posting more than once that anyone liking women’s football has been socially conditioned to do so and we’re 48 pages and a few years later and you’re arguing that women shouldn’t be allowed on a specific football pitch unless they make money. So yeah, I’m going to label you as playing a misogynist on here. 

[Turkish]

Just now, Fabrice29 said:

The first page of this thread has you posting more than once that anyone liking women’s football has been socially conditioned to do so and we’re 48 pages and a few years later and you’re arguing that women shouldn’t be allowed on a specific football pitch unless they make money. So yeah, I’m going to label you as playing a misogynist on here. 

Now you've resorted to claiming i said things i didnt and more name calling.

Still no answer though.

Desperate.

[Fabrice29]

18 minutes ago, egg said:

Her view will be interesting, and I'd imagine she loves novelty of the big stadia. I wonder how she'd feel if the tickets weren't so heavily subsidised meaning the crowd was half or less. Soulless I'd imagine. 

Please feel free to highlight where I've said what you say I have (save for not watching it). 

 

 

Can I suggest that when you speak to her you don’t condescend her and then she might not feel condescended. Don’t mention ‘novelty of the big stadium’, ‘sub standard football’ and ‘I don’t watch it  and I don’t have a problem with wherever you play but..’

[egg]

1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

Can I suggest that when you speak to her you don’t condescend her and then she might not feel condescended. Don’t mention ‘novelty of the big stadium’, ‘sub standard football’ and ‘I don’t watch it  and I don’t have a problem with wherever you play but..’

Thanks for the condescending instructions on how to speak with someone mate, much appreciated. 

[Fabrice29]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Now you've resorted to claiming i said things i didnt and more name calling.

Still no answer though.

Desperate.

I know you’ve got a life so you won’t have time but all your words are there to read.

Answer to what? Your question as to why losing money every time is a good business idea? It’s obviously not but the plan, I suspect, is not to lose money every time. It will be a long term idea that people continue to come whilst drumming up new custom. I didn’t think that needed explaining so blatantly as I’d already highlighted that once. 

[Turkish]

12 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I know you’ve got a life so you won’t have time but all your words are there to read.

Answer to what? Your question as to why losing money every time is a good business idea? It’s obviously not but the plan, I suspect, is not to lose money every time. It will be a long term idea that people continue to come whilst drumming up new custom. I didn’t think that needed explaining so blatantly as I’d already highlighted that once. 

The question was 

can you explain why its a good business decision to let them come if every time you do it you're losing money?

 

After a load of name calling, personal digs and getting all stroppy we've moved on slightly from hoping more come and have a great day out to adding in it's not in the plan to lose money. Great stuff. However neither of which explain why it's a good business decision.

Must. Try. Harder

[Fabrice29]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

The question was 

can you explain why its a good business decision to let them come if every time you do it you're losing money?

 

After a load of name calling, personal digs and getting all stroppy we've moved on slightly from hoping more come and have a great day out to adding in it's not in the plan to lose money. Great stuff. However neither of which explain why it's a good business decision.

Must. Try. Harder

Are you suggesting I said it’s a good business decision to lose money every week?

The concept that you build a venue and add stuff around that venue and hope that people might visit that venue when possible is not one I can be bothered to argue with you, sorry 😂

Chalk it up as a game set match if it makes you happy. 

Edited Tuesday at 09:24 by Fabrice29

[Turkish]

Just now, Fabrice29 said:

Are you suggesting I said it’s a good business decision to lose money every week?

Again, that isn't what i said. Struggling with this aren't you. You said the below. 

we've moved on slightly from hoping more come and have a great day out to adding in it's not in the plan to lose money

I'll make it easy for you, give us 3 reasons why it's a good business decision.

 

[Fabrice29]

Just now, Turkish said:

Again, that isn't what i said. Struggling with this aren't you. You said the below. 

we've moved on slightly from hoping more come and have a great day out to adding in it's not in the plan to lose money

I'll make it easy for you, give us 3 reasons why it's a good business decision.

 

I didn’t say that. You did. Make it easier. 

[Turkish]

23 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

It’s obviously not but the plan, I suspect, is not to lose money every time

 

Just now, Fabrice29 said:

I didn’t say that. You did. Make it easier. 

I think you'll find you did.

[Fabrice29]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

I think you'll find you did.

You said it 15 minutes ago. If you’re going to quote me, actually quote me.

14 minutes ago, Turkish said:

we've moved on slightly from hoping more come and have a great day out to adding in it's not in the plan to lose money. Great stuff. However neither of which explain why it's a good business decision.

Anyway, as I said, I think if you’re a venue that is actively trying to add new things to it and around it then every opportunity to encourage people to come to that venue should be explored. Nowhere did I say it was a good business decision to lose money every time, as you asked. And I really can’t be arsed to explain in 3 bullet points why the concept of people coming to your venue might be a better idea than going elsewhere for your business. If you want to take that as a win, then good for you. 

[Turkish]

19 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

You said it 15 minutes ago. If you’re going to quote me, actually quote me.

Anyway, as I said, I think if you’re a venue that is actively trying to add new things to it and around it then every opportunity to encourage people to come to that venue should be explored. Nowhere did I say it was a good business decision to lose money every time, as you asked.

And I really can’t be arsed to explain in 3 bullet points why the concept of people coming to your venue might be a better idea than going elsewhere for your business. If you want to take that as a win, then good for you. 

I never said you did

Got it, make a statement, get challenged, dish out a few insults, play the cant be arsed anymore card. 

Well done.

[Fabrice29]

33 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I never said you did

Got it, make a statement, get challenged, dish out a few insults, play the cant be arsed anymore card. 

Well done.

Asking me a question about a point you never said I made isn’t challenging me. But well done anyway. 

[Turkish]

21 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

I don’t think there’s any point in trying to implement money making ideas around the ground in the form of bars/shops and a climbing wall or whatever it is in the future if you turn away opportunities for people to spend time at the venue. 

No idea what the over heads of it all are but I suspect even if they are losing money today they are hoping that young people enjoying their time at the ground will encourage them to do so more in the future. 

 

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

I know you’ve got a life so you won’t have time but all your words are there to read.

Answer to what? Your question as to why losing money every time is a good business idea? It’s obviously not but the plan, I suspect, is not to lose money every time. It will be a long term idea that people continue to come whilst drumming up new custom. I didn’t think that needed explaining so blatantly as I’d already highlighted that once. 

 

3 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Asking me a question about a point you never said I made isn’t challenging me. But well done anyway. 

 

I thought you "couldn't  be arsed'? 😂

No you definitely never said it wasnt in the plan to lose money and the plan was to "hope" they come back. 😂

So a plan based on not losing money which is losing money and hope, not such a great plan, which was why you were asked for business reasons as to why it was a good idea. Unfortunately for you this is when the perfectly reasonable question was met with insults and sulks. That's not my fault it's yours. 

[Fabrice29]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

 

 

I thought you "couldn't  be arsed'? 😂

No you definitely never said it wasnt in the plan to lose money and the plan was to "hope" they come back. 😂

So a plan based on not losing money which is losing money and hope, not such a great plan, which was why you were asked for business reasons as to why it was a good idea. Unfortunately for you this is when the perfectly reasonable question was met with insults and sulks. That's not my fault it's yours. 

Like I said, take the win. Well done. 

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Like I said, take the win. Well done. 

Still cant be arsed then?

[Scummer]

Where is the evidence that it costs more to host at a ground we own, and where we can sell food/drink/merchandise, as opposed to renting a ground from someone else and them getting all the food and drink revenue?

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, Scummer said:

Where is the evidence that it costs more to host at a ground we own, and where we can sell food/drink/merchandise, as opposed to renting a ground from someone else and them getting all the food and drink revenue?

Staff costs for food/drink/merchandise

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

It’s clearly ridiculous woke nonsense that they play at St Mary’s. This is the problem with this sport, they piggy back  the men’s game. I’ve no problem with birds at Wimbledon because that sport has earnt the right to be billed alongside the superior men’s event , it’s elite sport. If our birds team played in the Wessex League, they’d get smashed up every week. The Nods want it both ways, when challenged about how shite it is, they reply “it’s a different sport”, but they want this “different sport” to play at the same venues and have an exposure that far exceeds what it deserves. Until it’s at an elite level it shouldn’t play at elite venues. It’s as simple as that. 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

Staff costs for food/drink/merchandise

 

this is what makes me laugh. People quote food and drink like it some cost free money spinner and we're making a fortune on every hot dog sold. These things cost money to buy, store, heat, serve, clean up after, dispose of waste. We dont make 100% profit on every one we sell, some people seem to think if 1000 people spend a fiver each on food, bingo we're up the deal, 5k in the back pocket, by the time you've factored all the costs in i'd be amazed if we even break even.

[Turkish]

37 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s clearly ridiculous woke nonsense that they play at St Mary’s. This is the problem with this sport, they piggy back  the men’s game. I’ve no problem with birds at Wimbledon because that sport has earnt the right to be billed alongside the superior men’s event , it’s elite sport. If our birds team played in the Wessex League, they’d get smashed up every week. The Nods want it both ways, when challenged about how shite it is, they reply “it’s a different sport”, but they want this “different sport” to play at the same venues and have an exposure that far exceeds what it deserves. Until it’s at an elite level it shouldn’t play at elite venues. It’s as simple as that. 

And they also want this different sport to have equal pay as they do the same job, meanwhile they attract crowds and revenues probably equal to conference level. You dont hear conference league midfielders demanding 200k a week because they do the same job as Delan Rice and if they did they'd be told to stop being such a dick and know their level. 

[Weston Super Saint]

19 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Staff costs for food/drink/merchandise

 

Ridiculous.

60+% GP on food and 80+% GP on drinks (probably closer to 90% as it will mainly be soft drinks) would easily cover the staff costs.

Groundspeople will be salaried so won't cost any extra - maybe a few quid for some water if they use more than normal and maybe a little grass seed, but see above about GP percentages.  Lighting won't be significant in the grand scheme of things.

I'd be astonished if the club was 'losing' money on women's games played at SFC - even with 4,000 spectators, which may seem paultry by football ground standards but would be an incredible figure for most 'gigs' which would have way higher staffing costs to cover.

[egg]

We don't operate the catering side, so we don't make make or lose money as such. That said, whether the external company are paid a fee to cover these games which may be a loss leader for them, we won't know. 

Ticket costs were a tenner and three quid for kids. If we assume half were adults, that's £26k in ticket sales. 

Operational costs are more than a few salaried staff, none of whom would normally be working. I think it very likely that cleaning staff, grounds people, security, and all other operational staff are being paid extra for the shift. Our friends at chat CPT estimate a total of £30-40k per match operational costs. 

£26 minus £30-40k = a loss. 

[Weston Super Saint]

Then chatgp is way out.

If we aren't running catering then we have zero staff costs there. So staffing is what - 4 or 5 ground staff, some ticket office workers (5?), some stewards (15?), additional staff (some will be salaried) so let's say another 20 in total. All working maybe 4 to 6 hours "extra" (let's play safe and call it 6 hours), so that's 40 workers working 6 hours = 240 hours. Some of those will be on minimum wage (or close to it), so add on NI, pension etc and that's a cost of about £18 per hour (let's call it £20), others will be on more, so let's call them £40 per hour.  Take an even split and we have :

120 @ £20 = £2400 

120 @ £40 = £4800

Total = £7400.

That still leaves circa £18.5k for other costs, which leaves a healthy profit.

I'd be happy to accept chat GPs figure for a men's match with the whole stadium open, hospitality running etc, but not for a women's game with 4k spectators.

[Lord Duckhunter]

I presume they have showers after the game, that’s costing water and increasing the energy bill. Good job we got rid of the communal baths in changing rooms because if they’re anything like my daughter,  they’d be laying in there hours and will keep topping the hot water up. Cost the club a bloody fortune….

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 11:42 by Lord Duckhunter

[Saint NL]

 

 

[suewhistle]

I don't know why but whenever I see the emoticons of Turkish and tdmickey laughing together at a post it makes me think of Beavis and Butthead..

I find it quite surprising that the posters who are so negative about women's football are so frequently on this thread, and one of them even started it! I avoid spending too much time here as it would be a bit of a waste of my time. I'll be there on Sunday and then rush off to see my women's grassroots team of which there are so many more than even 20 years ago..

 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

9 hours ago, suewhistle said:

I don't know why but whenever I see the emoticons of Turkish and tdmickey laughing together at a post it makes me think of Beavis and Butthead..

I find it quite surprising that the posters who are so negative about women's football are so frequently on this thread, and one of them even started it! I avoid spending too much time here as it would be a bit of a waste of my time. I'll be there on Sunday and then rush off to see my women's grassroots team of which there are so many more than even 20 years ago..

 

For me, the current discussion is a genuine debate. Does it work having the womens team play at St Marys?

Do the players enjoy it there or would they prefer a smaller ground for the closeness?

Does the club make a loss? If so, are they happy to do so to gain momentum with the fanbase to do so? If that's the case, then fair enough as plenty of companies have products and services do the same.

A poster mentioned they'll ask a team member or someone close to the team. I would be interested in that feedback.

Edited Thursday at 06:27 by JohnnyShearer2.0

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

For me, the current discussion is a genuine debate. Does it work having the womens team play at St Marys?

Do the players enjoy it there or would they prefer a smaller ground for the closeness?

Does the club make a loss? If so, are they happy to do so to gain momentum with the fanbase to do so? If that's the case, then fair enough as plenty of companies have products and services do the same.

A poster mentioned they'll ask a team member or someone close to the team. I would be interested in that feedback.

Some quick thoughts

Does it work at St Mary's? Yes, they are able to play football there.

Does the club make a loss? Dunno.

Do I care if a loss is made to support a women's team at a community club? No

Are we talking about unsustainable losses jeapordising the viability of the whole club? No

Is there scope to make more pennies? Yes, promotion to the WSL for a start.

Do I think the atmosphere is better in a packed stadium than a mostly empty one? Yes

Would I use that to tell people they couldn't play in a larger stadium? No

Am I proud to have a women's team to support? Yes

Is it elite sport? No, It's the level below the top women's league. A promotion away.

Is it good enough to play at St Mary's? Yes

 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

7 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Some quick thoughts

Does it work at St Mary's? Yes, they are able to play football there.

Does the club make a loss? Dunno.

Do I care if a loss is made to support a women's team at a community club? No

Are we talking about unsustainable losses jeapordising the viability of the whole club? No

Is there scope to make more pennies? Yes, promotion to the WSL for a start.

Do I think the atmosphere is better in a packed stadium than a mostly empty one? Yes

Would I use that to tell people they couldn't play in a larger stadium? No

Am I proud to have a women's team to support? Yes

Is it elite sport? No, It's the level below the top women's league. A promotion away.

Is it good enough to play at St Mary's? Yes

 

Thanks Holmes. 

The stadium situation is not unique to Saints! Just interesting to get people's takes on it.

I have a son who loves going on a match day apart from Saints being rubbish.

If i had a young girl, I am sure I'd be taking her there!

Edited Thursday at 15:16 by JohnnyShearer2.0

[Lord Duckhunter]

My thoughts…

 

Does it work at St Mary's? No

Does the club make a loss? Probably 

Do I care if a loss is made to support a women's team at a community club? Yes 

Are we talking about unsustainable losses jeapordising the viability of the whole club? No

Is there scope to make more pennies? No 

Do I think the atmosphere is better in a packed stadium than a mostly empty one? Yes

Would I use that to tell people they couldn't play in a larger stadium? Yes 

Am I proud to have a women's team to support? No, it’s for Nods 

Is it elite sport? No, and neither is the top flight. 

Is it good enough to play at St Mary's? No 

[saintstowin]

29 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

My thoughts…

 

Does it work at St Mary's? No

Does the club make a loss? Probably 

Do I care if a loss is made to support a women's team at a community club? Yes 

Are we talking about unsustainable losses jeapordising the viability of the whole club? No

Is there scope to make more pennies? No 

Do I think the atmosphere is better in a packed stadium than a mostly empty one? Yes

Would I use that to tell people they couldn't play in a larger stadium? Yes 

Am I proud to have a women's team to support? No, it’s for Nods 

Is it elite sport? No, and neither is the top flight. 

Is it good enough to play at St Mary's? No 

I will check my facts before any formal accusation of plagiarism but that '....it's for Nods' line is reminding me of one of Sylvia Plath's most memorable feminist poems.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

23 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

My thoughts…

 

Does it work at St Mary's? No

Does the club make a loss? Probably 

Do I care if a loss is made to support a women's team at a community club? Yes 

Are we talking about unsustainable losses jeapordising the viability of the whole club? No

Is there scope to make more pennies? No 

Do I think the atmosphere is better in a packed stadium than a mostly empty one? Yes

Would I use that to tell people they couldn't play in a larger stadium? Yes 

Am I proud to have a women's team to support? No, it’s for Nods 

Is it elite sport? No, and neither is the top flight. 

Is it good enough to play at St Mary's? No 

I am not a nod!

Yours sincerely,

There's definitely more pennies from attendance and commercial deals from promotion.

decent follow up questions would be

Is that increased revenue a lot relative to the men's PL? No

Is the increased revenue going to make SFC Megabucks in the short term? No

If it's currently running at a loss, would promotion offset those losses? Dunno, but could very well be a no.

I do like women's football (from thinking I'd not be bothered), and don't mind a bit of piggy backing on the men's facilities and revenue to see more of it.

I have also read Inverting the Pyramid, so every day is a battle against noddiness. But I think I'm fine on this one.

 

[suewhistle]

Interesting article in the paper today:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/11/girls-who-play-after-school-sport-in-uk-50-more-likely-to-later-get-top-jobs-study-finds

This particular line jumped out at me:

Quote

A recent study revealed that “openly misogynistic attitudes towards women’s sport still dominate”.

 

 

[Weston Super Saint]

11 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I am not a nod!

Yours sincerely,

There's definitely more pennies from attendance and commercial deals from promotion.

decent follow up questions would be

Is that increased revenue a lot relative to the men's PL? No

Is the increased revenue going to make SFC Megabucks in the short term? No

If it's currently running at a loss, would promotion offset those losses? Dunno, but could very well be a no.

I do like women's football (from thinking I'd not be bothered), and don't mind a bit of piggy backing on the men's facilities and revenue to see more of it.

I have also read Inverting the Pyramid, so every day is a battle against noddiness. But I think I'm fine on this one.

 

Does that extra income pay for Ross Stewart's padded physio's bench?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Does that extra income pay for Ross Stewart's padded physio's bench?

Do clubs not just send it on with every transfer?

[Turkish]

9 hours ago, suewhistle said:

Interesting article in the paper today:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/11/girls-who-play-after-school-sport-in-uk-50-more-likely-to-later-get-top-jobs-study-finds

This particular line jumped out at me:

 

 

A very sexist article but no surprise coming from the militant feminist lapped up by the resident militant feminist. 

Here is are a couple of more balanced article which shows that all youths who play sports highlighting the long term benefits for everyone without the need to scream misogyny, that's what jumped out at me

https://truesport.org/leadership/youth-sport-better-job-career/

https://sportsedtv.com/blog/the-impact-of-early-sports-participation-on-business-success

[Turkish]

13 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I am not a nod!

Yours sincerely,

There's definitely more pennies from attendance and commercial deals from promotion.

decent follow up questions would be

Is that increased revenue a lot relative to the men's PL? No

Is the increased revenue going to make SFC Megabucks in the short term? No

If it's currently running at a loss, would promotion offset those losses? Dunno, but could very well be a no.

I do like women's football (from thinking I'd not be bothered), and don't mind a bit of piggy backing on the men's facilities and revenue to see more of it.

I have also read Inverting the Pyramid, so every day is a battle against noddiness. But I think I'm fine on this one.

 

Hmm, im not so sure about attendances. Here's last seasons averages and only two clubs get over 10k, Arsenals is the largest and seem to range from very big to very small crowds. Most of the clubs you'll see listed barely get 5k most weeks but have a couple of big gates (Arsenal have more) which bumps up their average. Most of the clubs also use an alternative, smaller stadium most of the time. Truly bizarre that on here that doing what every other womens team do is seen on here as dinosaurs talking bollocks, misogynist and negative towards womens football. 

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/womens-super-league/attendances/2024-2025

Edited yesterday at 07:30 by Turkish

[Turkish]

On 10/09/2025 at 22:21, suewhistle said:

I don't know why but whenever I see the emoticons of Turkish and tdmickey laughing together at a post it makes me think of Beavis and Butthead..

I find it quite surprising that the posters who are so negative about women's football are so frequently on this thread, and one of them even started it! I avoid spending too much time here as it would be a bit of a waste of my time. I'll be there on Sunday and then rush off to see my women's grassroots team of which there are so many more than even 20 years ago..

 

If you could just bare to drop the feminist act for once you'll see a debate going on which is in no single way negative about womens football. You need to get over yourself love. Thanks for telling us your movements sunday though and also why you dont post on here much these days, what a great person you are but not in the good posters who dont bother anymore and you can see why category, more of a self righteous posters who dont post much thank god area.

PS I didn't start it, the thread was split from another one, the clue is that my post quoted someone else. 

Your obsession with me is rather odd but has been going on for years.

Edited yesterday at 07:40 by Turkish

[ant]

44 minutes ago, Turkish said:

You need to get over yourself love.

I wonder why feminism is required?

 

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, ant said:

I wonder why feminism is required?

 

I speak to people in the tone the speak to me, note the digs in her post which is incredible considering she boasts about having me on ignore 😂😂😂😂

on ignore but references me constantly 😂😂😂

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Hmm, im not so sure about attendances. Here's last seasons averages and only two clubs get over 10k, Arsenals is the largest and seem to range from very big to very small crowds. Most of the clubs you'll see listed barely get 5k most weeks but have a couple of big gates (Arsenal have more) which bumps up their average. Most of the clubs also use an alternative, smaller stadium most of the time. Truly bizarre that on here that doing what every other womens team do is seen on here as dinosaurs talking bollocks, misogynist and negative towards womens football. 

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/womens-super-league/attendances/2024-2025

absolutely woeful attendances, with JCLs up for the big games on special days at a very small number of high profile clubs.

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Hmm, im not so sure about attendances. Here's last seasons averages and only two clubs get over 10k, Arsenals is the largest and seem to range from very big to very small crowds. Most of the clubs you'll see listed barely get 5k most weeks but have a couple of big gates (Arsenal have more) which bumps up their average. Most of the clubs also use an alternative, smaller stadium most of the time. Truly bizarre that on here that doing what every other womens team do is seen on here as dinosaurs talking bollocks, misogynist and negative towards womens football. 

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/womens-super-league/attendances/2024-2025

I'm definitely not suggesting it will go from 4k to filling out St Mary's. Simply that promotion leads to more exposure, more fans whether just for big games or not, and more lucrative commercial deals. I don't know of WSL payments for being in the league, but there might be something.

One of the follow up questions I put was "If it's currently running at a loss, would promotion offset those losses?Dunno, but could very well be a no." Which was there to indicate the increased revenues might not be massive with promotion, because I wasn't thinking another 20k supporters would appear for every home game.

The busier lower league atmosphere and ground was definitely a big plus when I started watching women's football. Like the men's game, a match played out with no atmosphere makes it less of a draw when it's not your own side.

 

[East Kent Saint]

Strange posters need to belittle our women's team . If they are representing our club with the club's name I thought they were worthy of support. Does it matter if they play at our ground ? It is what  i would expect if they part of the Southampton set up.

[Lord Duckhunter]

30 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

Strange posters need to belittle our women's team . If they are representing our club with the club's name I thought they were worthy of support. Does it matter if they play at our ground ? It is what  i would expect if they part of the Southampton set up.

I thought it was a different sport. So now they’re “representing our club”, can we criticise their ability & call them fucking useless, or is that confined to the first team? 

[Turkish]

49 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

Strange posters need to belittle our women's team . If they are representing our club with the club's name I thought they were worthy of support. Does it matter if they play at our ground ? It is what  i would expect if they part of the Southampton set up.

Who has belittled it?

[East Kent Saint]

21 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I thought it was a different sport. So now they’re “representing our club”, can we criticise their ability & call them fucking useless, or is that confined to the first team? 

I didn't think there was any barrier to you criticising anybody !

[Turkish]

29 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I thought it was a different sport. So now they’re “representing our club”, can we criticise their ability & call them fucking useless, or is that confined to the first team? 

I’m looking forward to our fans singing about the size of our players tits, given it’s alright to sing about the size of a players cock